What should I know about adding injector cleaner to my diesel fuel

[billd766]

5 hours ago, transam said:

Cold start....I did not understand your cold start problem as the D4D I had never had a cold start problem cos it never got cold enough to have a problem in 11+ years....Hence my confusion...

My Ford Ranger is nearly 18 years old with 398,xxx km on the clock. The first start of the day is always hard but it is fine for the rest of the day. Sometimes it will start on the first try and usually on the second but keep clear of the exhaust pipe when it does fire up or you will be coughing soot for the rest of the day.

 

3 hours ago, transam said:

Correct, but fredy refers to his ride (Fortuner) as a lump....It's a long standing joke here....????

It is more like a small battle tank.

[fredob43]

11 hours ago, alan grice said:

So You got someone banned. My word , that took some outstanding bravery that most just dont have, or want..!.


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I didn't get someone band, they got themselves band.

[alan grice]

Perhaps the Mods will confirm this, i note you have a History of attacking posters with different agendas to yours.Hidden by a few useful comments and self engtandisment.⚖️[emoji481]


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[canuckamuck]

To those who were wondering, the rough start was due to a bad head gasket (hopefully not a cracked head). Got an appointment at Ford. The truck had a major breakdown a couple of years ago because a hose came apart on the thermostat housing on a hot day on a three hour drive, and wasn't noticed soon enough. It has been fine since the repair except for a mystery overheat last February. Couldn't figure that out, but replaced most of the cooling parts at the time. 

I didn't mention that it used a bunch of water on it's last trip when I started this thread, because I was only trying to rule out the injectors for the rough starting. It doesn't always start rough BTW, and runs very nicely, 10 year old truck, But it is now using 2 liters an hour of water with no visible leaks. No leaks confirmed by the rad shop and Ford.

So fingered crossed its just the gasket.

Thanks for all the advice BTW. I learned a little about fuel conditioners and injectors.

Edited September 19, 2019 by canuckamuck

[billd766]

3 hours ago, alan grice said:

Perhaps the Mods will confirm this, i note you have a History of attacking posters with different agendas to yours.Hidden by a few useful comments and self engtandisment.⚖️


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Are you stalking him?

[Chazar]

cleaner in the fuel stop throwing money away

[fredob43]

3 hours ago, billd766 said:

Are you stalking him?

Bill.

I have given up replying to falls that just put drivel in. Anyone any idea of what Engtandisment means???

 

Wife has got your Red spots they are available whenever you would like to call in. No panic.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, fredob43 said:

Bill.

I have given up replying to falls that just put drivel in. Anyone any idea of what Engtandisment means???

 

Wife has got your Red spots they are available whenever you would like to call in. No panic.

Just bad spelling I think. I do it often when I use a word I haven't used for a while and it just doesn't look right. Then I add it to my spell checker.

 

I think he means Did you mean: self aggrandisement.

 

Which in turn, at least in English means,

 

an act undertaken to increase your own power and influence or to draw attention to your own importance
Synonyms:
ego trip, self-aggrandizement
Type of:
aggrandisement, aggrandizement, elevation

 

Perhaps it means blowing your own trumpet and running other posters down.

[billd766]

On 9/16/2019 at 8:32 PM, canuckamuck said:

 

I googled DVF and came up with nothing useful. Is it like the O2 sensor?

I found this link on Google.

 

 

I found this STP diesel fuel injector on Lazada here.

 

https://www.lazada.co.th/catalog/?q=STP+fuel+injector+cleaner&_keyori=ss&from=input&spm=a2o4m.searchlist.search.go.4718628ewjadym

Edited December 7, 2019 by billd766
added extra text

[billd766]

On 9/18/2019 at 1:18 PM, fredob43 said:

Just because yours didn't some do, the OP and myself for two. If the temp: dropped to the low 20c night time mine was a bu//er to start. The only way to start it was as I have said turn on ignition for a few seconds and then start.

 

The OP problem is more than likely not an injector one. There can be several reasons that it wont start.

 

When I took mine into Toyo first thing they checked was the F/Filter then they put it in the test bay, everything was fine. So they come up with the solution I should try and it worked. You well I did learn something new every day. They must have had the same problem before so new a cure.

 

Out here it dropped to 11C last night and my 18 year old Ford Ranger was a bar steward to fire up this morning. Once it was running and warmed up it was OK.

[fredob43]

20 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

Out here it dropped to 11C last night and my 18 year old Ford Ranger was a bar steward to fire up this morning. Once it was running and warmed up it was OK.

Morning Bill.

Next time try turning it on for 30Sec: or a tad longer before starting, see how you get on worked for me. Might be the preheat?? Not needed here normally but at 11c who knows.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, fredob43 said:

Morning Bill.

Next time try turning it on for 30Sec: or a tad longer before starting, see how you get on worked for me. Might be the preheat?? Not needed here normally but at 11c who knows.

Hi Fred, I turn it on and when the heater light goes out I repeat the operation. This morning took me 4 tries to get it to start and even then it was only a couple of cylinders to begin with. Once started and run it is OK for that day.

Next day I go through the same process.

[canthai55]

19 minutes ago, billd766 said:

This morning took me 4 tries to get it to start and even then it was only a couple of cylinders to begin with.

Does each cylinder have its own glow plug ?

If so check wiring to the plugs, if OK may be 2 of them are not working.

[billd766]

4 hours ago, canthai55 said:

Does each cylinder have its own glow plug ?

If so check wiring to the plugs, if OK may be 2 of them are not working.

Thanks for that info. I will have a look at them tomorrow after I break the ice on my glass of water.

[Isaanbiker]

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    OP, the time might have come for an overhaul of your Diesel Pump and the nozzles. It's pretty costly but if you have a lot of black smoke coming out, cleaner alone won't fix the issue.

 

  Moving parts of the Diesel Pump and the nozzles wear out. 

 

I had my Mitsubishi L 200's Diesel Pump and nozzles overhauled which was around 7 K. 

[Isaanbiker]

On 9/19/2019 at 6:36 PM, billd766 said:

Just bad spelling I think. I do it often when I use a word I haven't used for a while and it just doesn't look right. Then I add it to my spell checker.

 

I think he means Did you mean: self aggrandisement.

 

Which in turn, at least in English means,

 

an act undertaken to increase your own power and influence or to draw attention to your own importance
Synonyms:
ego trip, self-aggrandizement
Type of:
aggrandisement, aggrandizement, elevation

 

Perhaps it means blowing your own trumpet and running other posters down.

If your wife said that, I'm certain she's talking about an enhancement of your good ol' boy! 

[Isaanbiker]

4 hours ago, billd766 said:

Hi Fred, I turn it on and when the heater light goes out I repeat the operation. This morning took me 4 tries to get it to start and even then it was only a couple of cylinders to begin with. Once started and run it is OK for that day.

Next day I go through the same process.

Diesel engines are "self igniters" where you need a very high compression and tiny particles of Diesel oil to begin with.

 

   When the nozzles are worn out, they start "pissi_g" into the cylinder and it can't be self ignited through the compression alone.

 

    But air in your system could also be a problem. When was the last time that you've changed the Diesel filter?

 

  

[canthai55]

22 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Thanks for that info. I will have a look at them tomorrow after I break the ice on my glass of water.

ice like this ?

 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Isaanbiker said:

Diesel engines are "self igniters" where you need a very high compression and tiny particles of Diesel oil to begin with.

 

   When the nozzles are worn out, they start "pissi_g" into the cylinder and it can't be self ignited through the compression alone.

 

    But air in your system could also be a problem. When was the last time that you've changed the Diesel filter?

 

  

Good question,  somewhere between 5,000 km and 25,000 km ago.

 

He does a good job but my wife's command of technical Thai is not that good and her command of translation to English technical is non existant.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, canthai55 said:

ice like this ?

 

It certainly feels like it. I have been east of Suez most of the last 25 years and my bones don't like the cold anymore.

 

I am thinking about trying to get a Red Cross parcel of thermal underwear.

 

[alacrity]

If it's been serviced regularly the servicer would have done as part of that service. However it's something that can be declined (optional).

 

Generally it's best to comply with the vehicles service and maintenance handbook. Yet that assumes a certain compliance with international standards. Something third-world countries aren't renowned for.

 

Quality of the fuel used is a major factor. Followed by a competence of design.

 

 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, alacrity said:

If it's been serviced regularly the servicer would have done as part of that service. However it's something that can be declined (optional).

 

Generally it's best to comply with the vehicles service and maintenance handbook. Yet that assumes a certain compliance with international standards. Something third-world countries aren't renowned for.

 

Quality of the fuel used is a major factor. Followed by a competence of design.

 

 

The engine design is OK as it is a Ford 2.5 ltr turbo diesel with 402,xxx km on the clock. Once it starts it runs OK all day (and night if needs be). Normally it is used during the day and left overnight, but it has got worse for starting the past few days as the temperature has dropped.

[kwonitoy]

20 hours ago, billd766 said:

Hi Fred, I turn it on and when the heater light goes out I repeat the operation. This morning took me 4 tries to get it to start and even then it was only a couple of cylinders to begin with. Once started and run it is OK for that day.

Next day I go through the same process.

You've probably got some glow plugs that have burnt out, quite cheap to replace

[billd766]

1 hour ago, kwonitoy said:

You've probably got some glow plugs that have burnt out, quite cheap to replace

Thanks for that info. It is a toss up between the glow plugs, the injectors or a combination of both.

[canthai55]

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

Thanks for that info. It is a toss up between the glow plugs, the injectors or a combination of both.

If injectors it would run badly cold or hot.

Yours seems to be a cold start issue.

Glow plugs it is - or fit an ether injector

[DavisH]

On 12/7/2019 at 12:28 PM, fredob43 said:

Morning Bill.

Next time try turning it on for 30Sec: or a tad longer before starting, see how you get on worked for me. Might be the preheat?? Not needed here normally but at 11c who knows.

My temp gauge in my diesel crv didnt move for the first few kms of easy driving the last coupe of mornings. Perhaps I should let it idle a few mins until it warms up?

[Isaanbiker]

18 hours ago, billd766 said:

Good question,  somewhere between 5,000 km and 25,000 km ago.

 

He does a good job but my wife's command of technical Thai is not that good and her command of translation to English technical is non existant.

I'm glad that I've learned important technical words in Thai as well.

 

  Look at your Dieselfilter, there's a 6 mm bolt, ( 10 mm tool) turn it out and see if water comes out.

 

If not push the pump on top to get the air out that might be inside, you need to leave the 6 mm screw a bit open to do so, then close it and continue pumping.

 

 You might be lucky and only have air in your system. 

 

   

 

 

[Isaanbiker]

14 minutes ago, DavisH said:

My temp gauge in my diesel crv didnt move for the first few kms of easy driving the last coupe of mornings. Perhaps I should let it idle a few mins until it warms up?

A minute is enough when you've got some hills to drive up. But never accelerate a cold Diesel engine too high. Wait until it's got 80 degrees. 

[Isaanbiker]

47 minutes ago, canthai55 said:

If injectors it would run badly cold or hot.

Yours seems to be a cold start issue.

Glow plugs it is - or fit an ether injector

But if it's the nozzlers, a cold start is very difficult because the Diesel oil isn't in tiny drops to self ignite. Once the engine is hot, you might not feel that much difference to a cold engine.

 

  But of course, if the glow plugs don't work.........

 

  But there can be other issues, a worn out starter can cause an older Diesel engine not to start. Some have bearings that can go bad, others have sintered bushings where the rotor runs in at the back and front.

 

   That's causing that the rotor can't run straight and you lose a lot of energy you won't feel in hot weather.

 

     A Diesel engine also needs certain RPM's to start. If the RPM's the battery and the starer are producing too low, it won't start. 

 

Which leads me to the next possible item, your battery. How old is it? 

 

  A Diesel engine needs to rotate between 150 and 250 RPM to start.

 

Please see attached PDF file, actually for mechanic students. 

 

   

Starter systems.pdf

Edited December 8, 2019 by Isaanbiker

[Isaanbiker]

16 hours ago, billd766 said:

The engine design is OK as it is a Ford 2.5 ltr turbo diesel with 402,xxx km on the clock. Once it starts it runs OK all day (and night if needs be). Normally it is used during the day and left overnight, but it has got worse for starting the past few days as the temperature has dropped.

I'd also run thinner oil than usual. If you run 20/40 right now use some 10/30 and another trick what many don't know is to pull the clutch when you start.

 

  In this case you don't have to turn the whole gearbox litania with it. 

Edited December 8, 2019 by Isaanbiker