4 minutes ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

I don't see the words prior consent.

 

You should try to be more precise with your propaganda.

And you should strive to make your deflections less lame.

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

You'll never find a perfect individual; one who never lied, never committed wrong, never caused pain, or in short, never "sinned."  That individual doesn't exist.  The practical reality then is that you have to take the chafe with the grain.  No Trump supporter, I believe, would deny that Trump is without flaws.

 

Dems, though, narrowly focus on only the flaws, exaggerate them, willingly misinterpret his deeds, and even make things up.  And they refuse to look at what they're doing.

Deflections, deflections, deflections. No one is looking for a saint. Most of us would be satisfied with a person who's got a functioning moral compass and who doesn't lie by default. That rules Trump out.

6 minutes ago, Opl said:

If Trump's and Zelensky's own words are no facts to you, what are they? 

They are facts, no doubt.  What is critical is the correct interpretation.  Put your bias aside and be objective.  Consider the possibilities and explore them, even when certain possibilities do not fit with the outcome you desire.  That is being truly objective.  There are posters here who refuse to do that.  There is only one thing they see . . . Orange Man bad.  People do see through that, Opl.  They recognize it and understand what's happening.

3 hours ago, Farangwithaplan said:

I wonder if a US senate inquiry can legally call Zelensky to give evidence if he was willing to? And he may be willing to if he realises the trouble he has now put his country in. Putin will be laughing till he wets his pants over this. He has now read first hand what a sycophant Zelensky can be when he really needs support.

 

That support from the US may diminish or disappear due to this communication. Putin might already be ramping up the Annexure of the already annexed Crimea. Zelensky might realise the error of his ways and be willing to assist an inquiry by giving evidence.

 

 

Well it seems like Ukraine is already starting to roll on this matter according to this report by ABC News. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ukrainians-understood-biden-probe-condition-trump-zelensky-phone/story?id=65863043

 

According to Zelenskiy's personal advisor, Serhiy Leshchenko they were aware that the phone call would only take place if the Biden discussion was allowed to be raised.

 

Ouch. Ukraine is now claiming Trump and his team are not telling the truth and they will probably have documentation to back themselves up. Putin is probably warming up the tanks as we speak.

1 minute ago, Becker said:

Deflections, deflections, deflections. No one is looking for a saint. Most of us would be satisfied with a person who's got a functioning moral compass and who doesn't lie by default. That rules Trump out.

No deflection, Becker.  I responded head on and to point.  Trump does have a strong moral compass.  You can see it if you're willing.  Others do.  I don't agree with all that Trump does and neither do Trump supporters.  But I think many agree that his heart is in the right place.

12 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

No deflection, Becker.  I responded head on and to point.  Trump does have a strong moral compass.  You can see it if you're willing.  Others do.  I don't agree with all that Trump does and neither do Trump supporters.  But I think many agree that his heart is in the right place.

If you look at Trump's life and find any indication that he has even a hint of a moral compass then your eyesight is....ahem, exceptional.

9 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

No deflection, Becker.  I responded head on and to point.  Trump does have a strong moral compass.  You can see it if you're willing.  Others do.  I don't agree with all that Trump does and neither do Trump supporters.  But I think many agree that his heart is in the right place.

Would you please susbstantiate " Trump does have a strong moral compass"? ..as there is no love only proofs of love.. LOL again  

1 minute ago, Becker said:

If you look at Trump's life and find any indication that he has even a hint of a moral compass then your eyesight is....ahem, exceptional.

Normal eyesight, Becker.  Just no blinders.

2 minutes ago, Opl said:

Would you please susbstantiate " Trump does have a strong moral compass"? ..as there is no love only proofs of love.. LOL again  

It would be exercise in futility to point out where Trump has a strong moral compass to people who adamantly refuse to recognize anything other than what their bias would have them see.  Do you understand that?  Give me a strong commitment to put your bias aside and we can go there.

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Please provide factual evidence to back that claim up.

 

Please provide factual evidence to back up your previous claim that Trump is "draining the swamp".

7 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Normal eyesight, Becker.  Just no blinders.

Not normal eyesight, severely rose tinted glasses would be required.

6 minutes ago, Becker said:

Not normal eyesight, severely rose tinted glasses would be required.

Wearing rose tinted glasses implies viewing something and seeing no fault, only splendor.  Since I already mentioned that I do see Trump's flaws and your statement ignores that fact then I can only conclude that you're being disingenuous with your comment.

13 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Please provide factual evidence to back up your previous claim that Trump is "draining the swamp".

Morch, I believe we've agreed to an impasse on another thread.  Nothing's changed since.

4 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

It would be exercise in futility to point out where Trump has a strong moral compass to people who adamantly refuse to recognize anything other than what their bias would have them see.  Do you understand that?  Give me a strong commitment to put your bias aside and we can go there.

Ok, so let me guess … because Trump said ; " "I said to one of my friends, a very wealthy friend, I said, 'You know, I'll bet you it cost me $2 or 3 billion and it's worth every penny of it,'" Trump said. "I don't need the money and it's worth every penny because I'm doing so much for the country." 

And we should believe it, right?  

 

2 minutes ago, Opl said:

Ok, so let me guess … because Trump said ; " "I said to one of my friends, a very wealthy friend, I said, 'You know, I'll bet you it cost me $2 or 3 billion and it's worth every penny of it,'" Trump said. "I don't need the money and it's worth every penny because I'm doing so much for the country." 

And we should believe it, right?  

 

I would say never believe anything without examining it yourself.  But when you examine it do so without bias.

Just now, Tippaporn said:

I would say never believe anything without examining it yourself.  But when you examine it do so without bias.

Is it really all you can offer as argument  to articulate your opinion, on  how "Trump has a strong moral compass" or is it "a fact" that needs not to be discussed?

Is it really all you can offer as argument  to articulate your opinion, on  how "Trump has a strong moral compass" or is it "a fact" that needs not to be discussed?

It's an endless loop black hole. Best to opt out. It's like there are good people on both sides bs. No there is a right and wrong side regarding the president's unfitness to be president. There is the right and wrong side of history on this issue. Recently Pelosi stepped up and owned being on the right side.

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1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Recently Pelosi stepped up and owned being on the right side.

Say bye bye to Biden.

1 minute ago, chokrai said:

Just because you keep repeating a lie does not make it true. 

What was the lie?

Some troll posts and the replies have been removed.

 

Some inflammatory posts and the replies have been removed. 

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

What was the lie?

Read what he wrote then listen to what Trump said then keep doing it over and over till you get it.

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Trump does have a strong moral compass.  You can see it if you're willing. 

I would love to see what the moral compass of this pathological liar, cheat, fraud, racist and adulterer looks like.........maybe a big black hole for example?

32 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Wearing rose tinted glasses implies viewing something and seeing no fault, only splendor.  Since I already mentioned that I do see Trump's flaws and your statement ignores that fact then I can only conclude that you're being disingenuous with your comment.

And since you're able to see Trump's moral compass I can only conclude you live in an alternative universe.

9 minutes ago, Opl said:

Is it really all you can offer as argument  to articulate your opinion, on  how "Trump has a strong moral compass" or is it "a fact" that needs not to be discussed?

It would be exercise in futility to point out where Trump has a strong moral compass to people who adamantly refuse to recognize anything other than what their bias would have them see.  Do you understand that?

 

I stated this earlier and asked if you understood.  You can respond in the affirmative or negative or not at all.  Up to you.

In conclusion I believe the Dems will fail again.  We shall see.

 

I've had my say and there's not much more I want to say.  I don't get involved much in discussions like this (once in a blue moon) because there's not much fun in trying to move immovable objects, LOL.  You just have to let 'em lay as they are.  Life has so much more good to offer.  Enjoy yourselves, folks.

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

I would love to see what the moral compass of this pathological liar, cheat, fraud, racist and adulterer looks like.........maybe a big black hole for example?

Be careful. You might go blind If you stared into that.

1 hour ago, Becker said:

And since you're able to see Trump's moral compass I can only conclude you live in an alternative universe.

Speaking of alternative universes, what about that "trump" bubble that allowed him to believe that was a "perfect" phone call? He used to have a few adults around him to tell him things like -- don't do that Donald, it's illegal, it will get you impeached, it will get you locked up. But he dumped all of them! His rise and eventual fall are really rather Shakespearean in scale even though even the Bard couldn't have imagined such a stinking hot mess of a leader. 

1 hour ago, chokrai said:

Read what he wrote then listen to what Trump said then keep doing it over and over till you get it.

Not an answer.

5 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Absolutely correct.  But it's not warranted in this case.  Trump is with his rights to fight corruption wherever it is found.  Running for president doesn't preclude Biden from being investigated for potential crimes.

Asking for an investigation of the former VP because he did his job years ago is Trump's idea of fighting corruption?  No wonder the swamp keeps getting bigger and deeper on his watch.

5 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Please provide factual evidence to back that claim up.

In this case he made it clear to the Ukrainian President that US military sales were contingent upon investigating old conspiracy theories about email servers and actions taken by VP Biden years ago.

For other examples, here's a little reading:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/09/01/us/politics/trump-officials-crimes-and-ethical-violations.html

 

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-unethical-presidency-history-782229

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/donald-trump-presidential-scandals/522468/