Republican lawmakers storm hearing room, disrupt Trump impeachment inquiry

[bristolboy]

13 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's a Fox news type myth that the Mueller report was limited to investigating collusion. The broader focus was Russian interference in the election which was solidly proven. Indeed there were numerous convictions and about 10 open cases of obstruction of justice involving the president. You can be skeptical all you like but this impeachment focused on Ukrainegate will definitely happen. Conviction is another matter entirely.

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And of course, Mueller specifically said that Trump was not exonerated of having committed obstruction of justice.

[mtls2005]

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

Ok then.......the more secrecy employed the more suspicious the findings that will be presented.

 

Then even easier to shoot down in the Senate.

 

Sounds like the Dems are playing right into the president's hands?

 

 

[Becker]

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

It's up to the Dems....the more secrecy employed the more suspicious the verdict.

 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/judge-andrew-napolitano-is-the-impeachment-process-fair

 

Have a look at this Fox News video. This should clear up your obvious confusion.

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts and replies have been removed. 

[Boon Mee]

9 hours ago, keith101 said:

 

What an absolute bunch of losers at the behest of the soon to be IMPEACHED Trump .

Disrupt the Kangaroo Court? 

Well deserved... 

[GroveHillWanderer]

7 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

I don't understand how anyone can be so blind to the fact that Trump is being prevented from defending himself.  That's unconstitutional.  Amazing that so many are willing to disregard a constitutional right as long as it allows for the impeachment of someone they hate.  Now it's your turn.  Please explain how it is constitutional to deny someone to defend himself and why you agree that it's a good idea?

The constitutional right to confront witnesses and to mount a defence applies at trial. This is not a trial - if there is to be one, it will come later in the Senate (assuming the House votes in favour of articles of impeachment).

 

This is an investigative inquiry. When for instance, the police are conducting an investigation to try and gather evidence so they can decide whether to actually level charges against someone or not, the suspect does not get to question witnesses or mount a defence against the investigative proceedings. It's only when it gets to a trial, that those rights come into play.

 

If this inquiry does eventually lead to a Senate trial, Trump will then have full rights to put on a vigorous defence, confront witnesses, present evidence etc.

 

However let's be clear on this, the suspect in an ongoing investigation does not have any rights under the constitution to interfere with the conduct of the investigation into their potential misdeeds.

 

 

[JHolmesJr]

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

And of course, Mueller specifically said that Trump was not exonerated of having committed obstruction of justice.

That's not for him to say..this has been covered already under prosecutorial duties..please try

not to feign ignorance to further your flawed narrative.

[Chomper Higgot]

50 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

Disrupt the Kangaroo Court? 

Well deserved... 

It’s not a court.

 

Next.

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, JHolmesJr said:

That's not for him to say..this has been covered already under prosecutorial duties..please try

not to feign ignorance to further your flawed narrative.

God knows what you're referring to. What Mueller was referring to is that according to Justice Dept rules, a sitting president can't be indicted for crimes. 

[bristolboy]

8 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

awwww getting exasperated are we? Dont worry there's a lot more disappointment coming when these charges 

are laughed out of town by the public

That's the wonderful thing about the future. It can be whatever you want it to be. And as long as you keep it your private fantasy, that's fine. But invoking it as some kind of argument is an intellectually empty way to score points.

[4675636b596f75]

2 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

But invoking it as some kind of argument is an intellectually empty way to score points.

Mighty generous of you pardner.  Invoking an argument is how it is done, but I know, you people don't like it when you are challenged.  Just close your eyes.  

 

There there ... it will be alright.

[Becker]

14 minutes ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

Mighty generous of you pardner.  Invoking an argument is how it is done, but I know, you people don't like it when you are challenged.

Well, speaking for myself please trust me when I tell you nothing you base Trumps supporters have written has ever challenged anything except my patience.

[billd766]

7 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Another personal baiting post ignored.

However, twice now you have responded by saying "Another personal baiting post ignored." If you really want to ignore the post then simply don't reply at all.

[johnnybangkok]

36 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

awwww getting exasperated are we? Dont worry there's a lot more disappointment coming when these charges 

are laughed out of town by the public

Nothing to do with the public. It's in congress currently and eventually will go to the senate.

Yet again we have to teach you about what is going on. It gets tedious.

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Nothing to do with the public. It's in congress currently and eventually will go to the senate.

Yet again we have to teach you about what is going on. It gets tedious.

Disagree with you there. The more voters want him impeached, the greater the chance the senate will send him away.

[metisdead]

Some troll posts and the replies have been removed. 

[Chomper Higgot]

The Washington Post is reporting the Congressional Committees are planning to move to open public hearings by mid-November.

 

The Republicans will of course object to that too.

[JHolmesJr]

This is no longer a criminal trial or a political one....it's a battle in the court of public opinion.

The public is seeing how the Dems are behaving like gangsters with their secret tribunals.

Scalise reported that when he entered he had to turn on the lights (wth!)...then Schiff jumped up

and ran off with the witness.....how utterly shady. What are they doing in there? They could be just sitting

in there, eating pizza and making up stuff to leak.

 

Im just waiting for it to be revealed that the whistleblower is Ambassador Taylor....which would mean

he's colluded with Schiff to bring another baseless charge.

 

Go Dems!

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

This is no longer a criminal trial or a political one....it's a battle in the court of public opinion.

The public is seeing how the Dems are behaving like gangsters with their secret tribunals.

Scalise reported that when he entered he had to turn on the lights (wth!)...then Schiff jumped up

and ran off with the witness.....how utterly shady. What are they doing in there? They could be just sitting

in there, eating pizza and making up stuff to leak.

 

Im just waiting for it to be revealed that the whistleblower is Ambassador Taylor....which would mean

he's colluded with Schiff to bring another baseless charge.

 

Go Dems!

 

 

It’s not of trial of any kind, it’s an investigation.

 

And it’s about to start being conducted in public.

[Becker]

3 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

This is no longer a criminal trial or a political one....it's a battle in the court of public opinion.

The public is seeing how the Dems are behaving like gangsters with their secret tribunals.

Scalise reported that when he entered he had to turn on the lights (wth!)...then Schiff jumped up

and ran off with the witness.....how utterly shady. What are they doing in there? They could be just sitting

in there, eating pizza and making up stuff to leak.

 

Im just waiting for it to be revealed that the whistleblower is Ambassador Taylor....which would mean

he's colluded with Schiff to bring another baseless charge.

 

Go Dems!

 

 

"This is no longer a criminal trial or a political one...."

It's not trial. One more time; it's not a trial.

Oh heck, why do I even bother - it's a total waste of time. It just doesn't sink in..

[JHolmesJr]

Just now, Becker said:

"This is no longer a criminal trial or a political one...."

It's not trial. One more time; it's not a trial.

Oh heck, why do I even bother - it's a total waste of time. It just doesn't sink in..

 

The public aren't jurists (or even faux jurists) like you. 

They already see this as a trial where facts are being cooked up

and manufactured by biased witnesses who are from the never trump

school of thought. Once equal rights are afforded to the republicans to

shine a light on their testimony, most of it will begin to disintegrate

as mere opinion and partisan nonsense.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

The public aren't jurists (or even faux jurists) like you. 

They already see this as a trial where facts are being cooked up

and manufactured by biased witnesses who are from the never trump

school of thought. Once equal rights are afforded to the republicans to

shine a light on their testimony, most of it will begin to disintegrate

as mere opinion and partisan nonsense.

 

Nothing for Trump and his supporters to worry about then.

 

Which begs the question, why risk prosecution to disrupt something you tell us will ‘disintegrate’?

 

 

[johnnybangkok]

12 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

This is no longer a criminal trial or a political one....it's a battle in the court of public opinion.

The public is seeing how the Dems are behaving like gangsters with their secret tribunals.

Scalise reported that when he entered he had to turn on the lights (wth!)...then Schiff jumped up

and ran off with the witness.....how utterly shady. What are they doing in there? They could be just sitting

in there, eating pizza and making up stuff to leak.

 

Im just waiting for it to be revealed that the whistleblower is Ambassador Taylor....which would mean

he's colluded with Schiff to bring another baseless charge.

 

Go Dems!

 

 

Where to start.

'Scalise reported that when he entered he had to turn on the lights' - REALLY? They were all sitting there in the dark then were they?

'Schiff jumped up and ran off with the witness' - he may well have done but so would I if my PRIVATE meeting was suddenly descended upon by 24 foaming at the mouth idiots.

'The public is seeing how the Dems are behaving like gangsters with their secret tribunals' - firstly it's not secret, the whole world knows it's going on but if you mean behind closed doors and are inferring some sort of Dem conspiracy then that might ring true if it wasn't for the 47 Republican lawmakers from three House committees — Intelligence, Foreign Affairs and Oversight — who have been allowed to attend and participate in all of the depositions of the eight diplomats and government officials brought in to testify so far (https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-23/impeachment-deposition-room-stormed-by-republicans).

 

The only thing I'll give you amidst the complete and utter nonsense you have been sprouting throughout this thread is that yes, it will be a 'battle in the court of public opinion' which is why it is important to have a thorough and conclusive investigation that clearly shows Trump's criminality which will then provide the gutless GOP Senators a real dilemma when the public opinion forces them to act.

 

 

[KKr]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Don't expect much of an answer.

thank you for commenting in a constructive manner.
Was not really expecting an answer because the answer, rather contrary to what the other poster is loudly proclaiming with no other underpinning than that he does not like it, is that the procedure is in compliance with the law, including the closed door hearings. 
Preposterous that a Prez who has been dodging publication of some dox for how many years even gets some people so wound up that they are prepared to break the law they, in the name of the people, have to make and whereof they have to oversee the uphold.
That The Donald D thinks he should be above the Law, is only demonstrating how delusional he is, and that there could be sufficient ground on a psychiatric evaluation alone to start an impeachment.

but that is just my impression, I did not finish a clinical psychology course.

[KKr]

23 minutes ago, Becker said:

This is no longer a criminal trial or a political one...."

It's not trial. One more time; it's not a trial.

Oh heck, why do I even bother - it's a total waste of time. It just doesn't sink in..

indeed.
it looks like Cult followers...
Very sad that such a large proportion of people have lost the capacity of critical thinking. 

[johnnybangkok]

Just now, KKr said:

indeed.
it looks like Cult followers...
Very sad that such a large proportion of people have lost the capacity of critical thinking. 

You get used to it after a while

[Jingthing]

indeed.
it looks like Cult followers...
Very sad that such a large proportion of people have lost the capacity of critical thinking. 

Exactly. Rational discussion based on facts is impossible with cult followers.

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[KKr]

12 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

You get used to it after a while

no, refuse to get used to stupidity ruling,
would like to see a great USofA,
not have to explain why I don't want to travel there
but be proud to show a great country instead.

[johnnybangkok]

3 minutes ago, KKr said:

no, refuse to get used to stupidity ruling,
would like to see a great USofA,
not have to explain why I don't want to travel there
but be proud to show a great country instead.

We are ALL here so the stupid get pulled up on their nonsense. Welcome

[spidermike007]

Ukraine was the Russian collision part II, with written evidence and multiple testimonies. Guilty! Syria was the single dumbest decision Trump has made to date and has given the GOP license to defy the master now. That defiance will only grow. Alot now realize Trump is radioactive and a real liability, and will not win in 2020. His approval rates are dropping and less Republicans support him today, than at any time in the past. He is going down. Then the planet will celebrate the humiliation of Don Donald. 

 

He will return to a broken empire. No more management or endorsement deals, as nobody wants to be associated with that name. And the only buyers of his units will be Russian gangsters. 

 

Hopefully, once he is ousted the SDNY can complete their investigation, and LOCK HIM UP!