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  On 10/25/2019 at 1:31 PM, scorecard said:

Yes, but where will the PAttaya City station be located?

 

Will it be an upgrade of the current Pattaya station which is way outside of the city with gangs of song taow drivers trying to rip off passengers, or a newly located station right in the centre of Pattaya city? (Then a rip off trip by song taow to your hotel or home?) 

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Would you prefer Beach Road or Second road?

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so its  going to do all those  stops and  still be 45 minutes?

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45 min. After you needed an hour in the taxi to reach the station.

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A high speed train of this nature is totally unnecessary on such a relatively short route. But the more money spent the bigger the brown envelopes!

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  On 10/25/2019 at 1:35 PM, PatOngo said:

Would you prefer Beach Road or Second road?

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Either, but personal preference would be second road, which is what I was meaning (hoping) when I wrote Pattaya city.

 

Has anybody noted any specific mention of a station on Second or Beach Road?

 

i just hope it's not a rework of the current out of town old Pattaya station.

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  On 10/25/2019 at 1:35 PM, DrTuner said:

I vaguely seem to remember seeing some map where it was way, way back in the remote darkside, nearly maprachan. Hard to build somewhere in the middle.

 

That said, if they had extended the elevated highway from Chonburi to Patts and put a rail in the middle .. nah, has to have that tunnel.

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Where is Maprachan please?

 

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  On 10/25/2019 at 2:00 PM, scorecard said:

Either, but personal preference would be second road, which is what I was meaning (hoping) when I wrote Pattaya city.

 

Has anybody noted any specific mention of a station on Second or Beach Road?

 

i just hope it's not a rework of the current out of town old Pattaya station.

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My guess is it won't deviate far from the existing track. Dark side for sure!

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  On 10/25/2019 at 12:18 PM, Enoon said:

 

 

 

A massive, pocket-lining exercise in taking the p*** by the cartels......and of course, hand in glove, the Thai government.

 

Textbook looting/exploitation of state coffers/national resources.

 

 

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It's a PPP, mostly paid for by the private sector.

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  On 10/25/2019 at 2:02 PM, PatOngo said:

My guess is it won't deviate far from the existing track. Dark side for sure!

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No doubt all the planning will be geared by the best benefits to the CP group. 

 

So perhaps Pattaya station will be at a 7/11 or a Makro. 

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  On 10/25/2019 at 12:09 PM, richard_smith237 said:

OK, so its better than the bus, but thats about it.

I have difficulty seeing how this could take existing road users off the road. 

 

When I want to go to Pattaya I can easily drive it, door to door in 2 hours. 

 

If using this train I'd have to get to the station (I guess about 30mins), then wait for the next train (say 10mins), then take the train (45mins), then go from the train station to my destination / hotel (say 20mins) = At a guess, total: 1 hr 45mins.

 

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Agree with this.  I like the fact this is being built, I like trains and train travel, but I would definitely still drive (would try the train once for the novelty).  And so would 99% of other people who currently drive the route.

But for tourists and people who don't drive it's another matter - it is cheaper / faster than renting a taxi, much nicer and safer than sitting in a smelly bus.  

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  On 10/25/2019 at 8:07 AM, Chazar said:

most Thais  wont be using it  then

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   Sexpats will be , high speed delivery  to the market place.  Monthly millionaires, welcome asap..

 

 

 

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  On 10/25/2019 at 12:48 PM, DrTuner said:

And then you add the 5h30min it takes to get to the stations and back.

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So it takes you 7.5 hours to drive does it?  Must take you 5h30m to get to the bus stations and back.  Or 5h30m to get to the motorway entrance / exits at each end.

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  On 10/25/2019 at 2:10 PM, josephbloggs said:

So it takes you 7.5 hours to drive does it?  Must take you 5h30m to get to the bus stations and back.  Or 5h30m to get to the motorway entrance / exits at each end.

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Might be two days or weeks or perhaps millenia if you have to drive through the nightmare that is called Bangkok. Shudder.

 

The real benefit of this would be if they had built it over sukhumvit so the Patts station would be somehow accessible and it would stop right at the terminal at u-tapao, then I could skip going in the direction of the horrid BKK hellhole completely. But that's not going to happen, as usual, the time to connect to the stations and endpoints will take the benefits out of it. 

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  On 10/25/2019 at 2:00 PM, scorecard said:

Either, but personal preference would be second road, which is what I was meaning (hoping) when I wrote Pattaya city.

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Are you serious? Or forgot the emoticon?

Absolutely out of bounds for such a project to go through such a congested area.

 

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  On 10/25/2019 at 2:21 PM, ratcatcher said:

And what happens when you reach the Pattaya HS train station?

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Some rip off taxis will drive you to the city for the price of the train ride :biggrin:

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  On 10/25/2019 at 2:16 PM, DrTuner said:

Might be two days or weeks or perhaps millenia if you have to drive through the nightmare that is called Bangkok. Shudder.

 

The real benefit of this would be if they had built it over sukhumvit so the Patts station would be somehow accessible and it would stop right at the terminal at u-tapao, then I could skip going in the direction of the horrid BKK hellhole completely. But that's not going to happen, as usual, the time to connect to the stations and endpoints will take the benefits out of it. 

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It will stop right at the terminal at U-Tapao won't it?

 

(Pretty sure the Pattaya station will not be very close to the action though)

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Can someone explain what will happen to the Airport Rail Link System, trackage, rolling stock etc. A high speed train from Makkasan to Pattaya and onwards to U-Tapao, by passing Swampy. The need for speed to get to the poontang is amazing. A fast train system ala ARL, run properly with correct maintenance from DMK via Makkasan, Swampy, Chonburi, Pattaya and U-Tapao and points in between when practical, would make more sense. Oh, just had a brain fart.........."practical, make more sense".

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A fast train system ala ARL, run properly with correct maintenance from DMK via Makkasan, Swampy, Chonburi, Pattaya and U-Tapao and points in between when practical, would make more sense. Oh, just had a brain fart.........."practical, make more sense".

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Er......that's exactly what this is.  

 

Perhaps you didn't read any of the several articles on this before commenting?  Your brain fart is excused.

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  On 10/25/2019 at 2:27 PM, josephbloggs said:

It will stop right at the terminal at U-Tapao won't it?

 

(Pretty sure the Pattaya station will not be very close to the action though)

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The whole purpose of the HST IS to connect the 3 major airports.

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Agree with this.  I like the fact this is being built, I like trains and train travel, but I would definitely still drive (would try the train once for the novelty).  And so would 99% of other people who currently drive the route.

But for tourists and people who don't drive it's another matter - it is cheaper / faster than renting a taxi, much nicer and safer than sitting in a smelly bus.  

I would argue both the cheaper and faster. Assuming 2 people from airport to Pattaya center. 2x 500 + 300 for the mafia taxi, or grab, to go from the darkside to Pattaya center. Total 1300. Last taxi I took was 1100 door to door including tolls.

As for time, during the day, maybe some time savings. In the evening, assuming a 20 minute wait for the train, 45 minutes for the train, and 25 minutes into Pattaya from the darkside, is 1.5 hours. A good taxi can do 1:45 easy at night.

Really only a good deal for a single traveler.


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It will stop right at the terminal at U-Tapao won't it? 

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 The whole purpose of the HST IS to connect the 3 major airports.

 

  On 10/25/2019 at 2:38 PM, josephbloggs said:

Yes, and it does.  What is your point?

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That's my point! Of course it stops at Utapao!

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I would argue both the cheaper and faster. Assuming 2 people from airport to Pattaya center. 2x 500 + 300 for the mafia taxi, or grab, to go from the darkside to Pattaya center. Total 1300. Last taxi I took was 1100 door to door including tolls.

As for time, during the day, maybe some time savings. In the evening, assuming a 20 minute wait for the train, 45 minutes for the train, and 25 minutes into Pattaya from the darkside, is 1.5 hours. A good taxi can do 1:45 easy at night.

Really only a good deal for a single traveler.


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True, the cost can add up.  But if you are a traveller, arriving after a long flight, you can go straight down to the basement to take a comfortable, clean, cheap and fast train to Pattaya, or you can go look for a bus with your luggage or negotiate with a taxi.  I would be on the train every single time, I wouldn't be getting my calculator out.

 

But maybe that's just me.  I much prefer getting trains than travelling by road.

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  On 10/25/2019 at 2:42 PM, PatOngo said:

 

 The whole purpose of the HST IS to connect the 3 major airports.

 

 

That's my point! Of course it stops at Utapao!

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Crossed wires.  We all know it stops at U-Tapao.

Someone was suggesting it will probably stop a distance from the airport, I was replying that it stops right at the terminal.

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  On 10/25/2019 at 2:27 PM, josephbloggs said:

It will stop right at the terminal at U-Tapao won't it?

 

(Pretty sure the Pattaya station will not be very close to the action though)

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That is the question. Those details are crucial to the convenience. We'll see how it ends up.

 

I do hope it'll be usable. I like trains. But as usual, I'm keeping expectations at rock bottom, it's a necessity here.

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