Absolutely amazing how peaceful and quiet it is on this thread.  Not a Trump hating lib to be seen anywhere.  Life is grand!

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

https://www.independentsentinel.com/here-is-proof-dems-asked-ukraine-to-interfere-in-the-2016-election/

 

"Solomon has an on-the-record statement from their sitting ambassador in Washington that, in fact, Alexandra Chalupa, the DNC contractor, came to the Ukraine Embassy in 2016 and asked for help in finding dirt on Donald Trump in hopes of staging a congressional hearing to hurt Donald Trump in the fall election of 2016.

 

"That is the Ukraine embassy’s on-the-record statement."

 

Who is Alexandra Chalupa?  So many threads to follow but if one believes there's nothing to be found then what's the point of looking, right?  I doubt you'd do any real searching for info on the topic.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

 

 

 

There is no evidence whatsoever tying Russia to the hacked DNC system. The Mueller report cannot confirm that it was Russian intelligence officers nor can they explain how the transfer was accomplished.

 

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/07/05/crowdstrikeout_muellers_own_report_undercuts_its_core_russia-meddling_claims.html

 

Incredulously, not only was the FBI told to buzz off by the DNC when they first reported the "hack," but even more incredulously the Mueller team never even attempted a forensic inspection of the servers and relied solely on redacted, yes, redacted records provided by Crowdstrike.

 

"Further, the government allowed CrowdStrike and the Democratic Party's legal counsel to submit redacted records, meaning CrowdStrike and not the government decided what could be revealed or not regarding evidence of hacking."

 

<deleted>?

 

Not only that, but former intelligence analyst William Binney and former CIA analyst Larry Johnson contend an examination of the Wikileaks DNC files does not support the claim that the files were obtained via the internet.  Mathematics and physics would not allow the rate of transfer required via the Internet.

 

And, I might add, Assange has not only stated that no foreign entity was behind it, offered to testify but was ultimately blocked from doing so (can't remember the cretin's name), and Mueller team did not attempt to interview him.

 

You are more convincing when you cite more reliable sources.

 

Chalupa: as she is a pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia activist, she has been targeting Manafort since 2014, so nothing surprising. The whole story is a bit complex but the episode you cite happened in the USA so it clearly falls under US law and can be investigated directly in case it looks illegal.

 

Crowdstrike: it seems there was an initial disagreement between the DNC and the FBI, as you mention, but it has been cleared later by the FBI which confirmed the m.o. was not unusual, as far as I remember. No one is contesting the Russian origin, apart from Trump. And the only thing we have from him are lies:

- the server is hidden in Ukraine: lie,there is not 'one' server and there is not reason it would be in Ukraine

- Crowdstrike is an Ukrainian company: lie, it is a reputed American company wh8ch also worked for the DOJ and for the Republican Committee

- the owner is Ukrainian: lie, one is born in the US and the other one in Russia.

 

Binney, really?

In July 2018, Duncan Campbell published an opinion piece supporting the point of view that Binney had been persuaded by a pro-Kremlin disinformant that the theft of the DNC emails was an inside job, and not the work of Russian agents (contrary to the findings of the US intelligence community).[23] The disinformation agent manipulated metadata in the files released by Guccifer 2.0 (whom the US intelligence community identifies as a Russian military intelligence operation) to prove that the documents came from a computer in the Eastern United States, not Russia.[23] Binney subsequently appeared multiple times on Fox News to advocate for his inside job theory.[23] Binney later rejected that the manipulated documents were valid and concluded that they did not support the inside job theory.[23]

Ref 23 cited by Wikipedia is

https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252445769/Briton-ran-pro-Kremlin-disinformation-campaign-that-helped-Trump-deny-Russian-links

 

 

17 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Absolutely amazing how peaceful and quiet it is on this thread.  Not a Trump hating lib to be seen anywhere.  Life is grand!

They know the impeachment charade is over.

26 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Absolutely amazing how peaceful and quiet it is on this thread.  Not a Trump hating lib to be seen anywhere.  Life is grand!

They are here... lurking. Enjoy the calmness while it exists.

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Better yet:

 

Representative Jeff Van Drew, Anti-Impeachment Democrat, Plans to Switch Parties

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/14/us/politics/jeff-van-drew-democrat-republican.html

 

3 hours ago, Kelsall said:

And that's what we know for sure....there have to be more under the radar....the dam is breaking.... be ready for a flood of 31 Dems voting against impeachment.

And another one we know for sure...  Rep. Collin Peterson Dem MN.

 

https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/government-and-politics/4823633-Barring-new-information-Peterson-will-not-vote-for-impeachment

22 minutes ago, candide said:

You are more convincing when you cite more reliable sources.

 

Chalupa: as she is a pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia activist, she has been targeting Manafort since 2014, so nothing surprising. The whole story is a bit complex but the episode you cite happened in the USA so it clearly falls under US law and can be investigated directly in case it looks illegal.

 

Crowdstrike: it seems there was an initial disagreement between the DNC and the FBI, as you mention, but it has been cleared later by the FBI which confirmed the m.o. was not unusual, as far as I remember. No one is contesting the Russian origin, apart from Trump. And the only thing we have from him are lies:

- the server is hidden in Ukraine: lie,there is not 'one' server and there is not reason it would be in Ukraine

- Crowdstrike is an Ukrainian company: lie, it is a reputed American company wh8ch also worked for the DOJ and for the Republican Committee

- the owner is Ukrainian: lie, one is born in the US and the other one in Russia.

 

Binney, really?

In July 2018, Duncan Campbell published an opinion piece supporting the point of view that Binney had been persuaded by a pro-Kremlin disinformant that the theft of the DNC emails was an inside job, and not the work of Russian agents (contrary to the findings of the US intelligence community).[23] The disinformation agent manipulated metadata in the files released by Guccifer 2.0 (whom the US intelligence community identifies as a Russian military intelligence operation) to prove that the documents came from a computer in the Eastern United States, not Russia.[23] Binney subsequently appeared multiple times on Fox News to advocate for his inside job theory.[23] Binney later rejected that the manipulated documents were valid and concluded that they did not support the inside job theory.[23]

Ref 23 cited by Wikipedia is

https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252445769/Briton-ran-pro-Kremlin-disinformation-campaign-that-helped-Trump-deny-Russian-links

 

May as well start at the top.

 

Please don't expect me to pander to what you consider reliable sources to be.  Sources you determine as reliable I may view as unreliable, or tainted.  And, I understand, vice versa.

 

Many of Chalupa's efforts are documented and I cited a single instance.  Feel free to do your own investigations.  You will, though, need to step outside of the MSM sphere of controlled information and disinformation.

 

Crowdstrike's involvement in the entire affair is another tale involving complexities and layered connections.  My advice is the same as I gave for Chalupa.

 

Until or unless you educate yourself thoroughly you'll have a difficult time indeed sifting the chafe from the grain.

 

I see that you copy & pasted information from Wikipedia's Bill Binney entry.  Wikipedia I consider to be at best tainted and at worst unreliable when information has political ramifications.  Fine for looking up sports stats, artist discographies, math and engineering related material, and other benign information.  I use them all the time for that type of information.  I would not trust them to reliably offer information on Binney.

 

You might want to pursue the following link to perhaps the foremost forensic analyst working on the DNC "hack."

 

https://theforensicator.wordpress.com/guccifer-2-ngp-van-metadata-analysis/

16 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

 

And another one we know for sure...  Rep. Collin Peterson Dem MN.

 

https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/government-and-politics/4823633-Barring-new-information-Peterson-will-not-vote-for-impeachment

Excellent!

19 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

 

3 hours ago, Kelsall said:

And that's what we know for sure....there have to be more under the radar....the dam is breaking.... be ready for a flood of 31 Dems voting against impeachment.

And another one we know for sure...  Rep. Collin Peterson Dem MN.

 

https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/government-and-politic

and here comes Comey!

 

Comey said that "He's right, I was wrong,"  about Horowitz on how the FBI used the FISA process, adding, "I was overconfident as director in our procedures." on National TV days after Horowitz’s testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/comey-defends-fbis-fisa-process-after-scathing-ig-report

 

This comes as many Democrats reconsider their position and one is reported to be defecting to the Republican party possibly within days, so far.

 

The dam is cracking, as you said, and the spilling water is eroding its foundation.  

 

3 minutes ago, rabas said:

and here comes Comey!

 

Comey said that "He's right, I was wrong,"  about Horowitz on how the FBI used the FISA process, adding, "I was overconfident as director in our procedures." on National TV days after Horowitz’s testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/comey-defends-fbis-fisa-process-after-scathing-ig-report

 

This comes as many Democrats reconsider their position and one is reported to be defecting to the Republican party possibly within days, so far.

 

The dam is cracking, as you said, and the spilling water is eroding its foundation.  

 

Lovely!

10 minutes ago, rabas said:

Comey said that "He's right, I was wrong,"  about Horowitz on how the FBI used the FISA process, adding, "I was overconfident as director in our procedures." on National TV days after Horowitz’s testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

 

Haha...Im not sure Durham will land on the same wording.

Try criminally complicit.

The guy needs to see the inside of a jail cell.

1 hour ago, Kelsall said:

They know the impeachment charade is over.

 

They only know what the MSM tells them....the MSM is stumped on how to proceed.

No one watches them, cares what they think, people think they're a stain on democracy.

The jig is up and they know it. They're presiding over their own demise.

 

Impeachment may succeed in theory but in ideological terms it's a nothing burger.

Anti trumpers are desperately scanning the internet to find some links that show

impeachment in a favourable light and Trump in poor light. They are tuckered out.

 

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I see that you copy & pasted information from Wikipedia's Bill Binney entry.  Wikipedia I consider to be at best tainted and at worst unreliable when information has political ramifications.  Fine for looking up sports stats, artist discographies, math and engineering related material, and other benign information.  I use them all the time for that type of information.  I would not trust them to reliably offer information on Binney.

Let's put the case of Chalupa apart as It's a long story. Anyway my position regarding her or the Bidens is the same: if they have done something wrong, why not officially investigate them?

About your comment on Wikipedia

Wikipedia articles, just as any article, are not more or less reliable than the sources they use. That's why I linked their source, which provides all details. It's been confirmed by several other sources that Binney retreated from his initial theory, for example here:

"A month after visiting CIA headquarters, Binney came to Britain. After re-examining the data in Guccifer 2.0 files thoroughly with the author of this article, Binney changed his mind. He said there was “no evidence to prove where the download/copy was done”. The Guccifer 2.0 files analysed by Leonard’s g-2.space were “manipulated”, he said, and a “fabrication”

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180802/07182740351/as-dnc-hacked-itself-conspiracy-theory-collapses-key-backer-claim-exposed-as-uk-troll.shtml

So you may or may not like Wikipedia, it does remain that Binney ultimately recognised he was initially wrong.

One dem is already defecting and going to the GOP. Drew who apparently changed a district in New Jersey from red to blue has decided to get off the crazy bus. 

 

On 12/14/2019 at 12:22 PM, Samui Bodoh said:

Sad, sad days for the US, the Republican party and the planet.

It's been a sad day for the US since the Dems launched their campaign against Trump even before he was sworn in based on nothing but their hatred for him personally. Since then they have been on a crusade looking for an excuse to impeach him.

Not sad for the GOP when he is not convicted. Sad day for the Dems when they are shown to be the emperor with no clothes.

To blame thousands of years of human destruction of the environment all on Trump is somewhat excessive, isn't it?

8 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

And now for some Sunday evening comedy from the impeachment sh!t show.  Enjoy!

 

 

With <deleted> like that in charge it's a wonder the Dems even think they can succeed with impeachment.

The trial in the senate should be most entertaining.

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

Trump has a "very thick skin"?   Hilarious.  Trump freaks out at any perceived slight. 

 

He freaked out at Greta Thunberg winning "Person of the Year" and put out a mocking tweet:  “So ridiculous. Greta must work on her Anger Management problem, then go to a good old fashioned movie with a friend! Chill Greta, chill!” Keep in mind this is a man in his seventies taunting a sixteen year old.

 

The man is insecure to the point of mental illness!

If he was thin skinned he would sheepishly agree with whatever others were thinking or his handlers told him. He would believe MSM as truth.

 

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

With <deleted> like that in charge it's a wonder the Dems even think they can succeed with impeachment.

The trial in the senate should be most entertaining.

Remember Moe, Larry and Curly from the Three Stooges T.V. show? If Nadler's hair was dark and he had a bit more of it and combed it a tad forward I think he would make a perfect Moe.

4 minutes ago, HuskerDo said:

Remember Moe, Larry and Curly from the Three Stooges T.V. show? If Nadler's hair was dark and he had a bit more of it and combed it a tad forward I think he would make a perfect Moe.

55555555555.  Much more like Shemp, methinks.

I've always admired Candice Owens for her guts, her ability to debate, and her flawless articulation (I'll never forget her legendary smack down of Rep. Ted Lieu and Nadler when she testified in front of Congress back in April).  I'm posting this for the libs because since you guys are so befuddled as to what we see in Trump, well, Candice does a superb job of eloquently expressing Trump's admirable character traits.  Y'all may just understand and learn to admire Trump, too.

 

Cut to just after the 4 minute mark for the start of the interview.

 

 

40 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

One can tell alot about a man, by his lack of articulation, his rambling, his unwillingness to read, and study, and his lack of a real vocabulary. Also, the vast number of fellow students and teachers who have spoken out about his utter level of mediocrity at his studies.

The make of a man is in how he views others, not his articulation. Thus trump haters view everyone else as stupid.

 

40 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

But, I will say this about him. Some people, though not particularly intelligent, are brilliant in one area. When it comes to the scam, the con, the deflection, the desiccation and degradation of morality, honor, integrity and the pursuit of facts, he is a genius. 

Let me clarify, Trumps incessant tormential tweeting is aimed at Democrats who are trying to destroy him in any way possible. He has driven them to frenzy and irrationality to show everyone their true nature. This is Trump's one area of brilliance, and he is winning the game.

 

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

One can tell alot about a man, by his lack of articulation, his rambling, his unwillingness to read, and study, and his lack of a real vocabulary. Also, the vast number of fellow students and teachers who have spoken out about his utter level of mediocrity at his studies. 

 

But, I will say this about him. Some people, though not particularly intelligent, are brilliant in one area. When it comes to the scam, the con, the deflection, the desiccation and degradation of morality, honor, integrity and the pursuit of facts, he is a genius. 

One can also tell alot about a person who is constantly engaged in moral and intellectual preening, using their ideological beliefs as a cudgel to infer that those who do not share their beliefs are less intelligent or moral than they are. 

 

This is also known as THE LEFTIST 

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

19 hours ago, atyclb said:

 

 

out of curiosity how do the tvf intellectuals conclude trump's iq is 96 ??

One can tell alot about a man, by his lack of articulation, his rambling, his unwillingness to read, and study, and his lack of a real vocabulary. Also, the vast number of fellow students and teachers who have spoken out about his utter level of mediocrity at his studies. 

 

But, I will say this about him. Some people, though not particularly intelligent, are brilliant in one area. When it comes to the scam, the con, the deflection, the desiccation and degradation of morality, honor, integrity and the pursuit of facts, he is a genius. 

 

brilliant

20 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

One can also tell alot about a person who is constantly engaged in moral and intellectual preening, using their ideological beliefs as a cudgel to infer that those who do not share their beliefs are less intelligent or moral than they are. 

 

This is also known as THE LEFTIST 

It’s always the truth that brings out balderdash defense from person that prefer not to see the obvious immorality, unethical and corruption of Trump. 
 

If leftist is about liberalism, income equality, healthcare, free public education versus rightist caging immigrants children, opposed to gun control; put me down as a leftist. 

On 12/15/2019 at 10:16 AM, stevenl said:

Which is not what I said.

 

My main point: longcut presented a link with some lines from that link. The lines were his own opinion, and not supported by the link.

That is not done at best.

It was not my opinion. It was taken straight from CNN's article. Isn't that the holy grail for you Libs?

 

Link: New Fox News poll on impeachment contradicts its most loyal viewer — President Trump

 

"Amid last week’s historic House Judiciary Committee vote to advance two articles of impeachment, abuse of power and obstruction of Congress, the president tweeted, “Poll numbers have gone through the roof in favor of No Impeachment, especially with swing States and Independents in swing States. People have figured out that the Democrats have no case, it is a total Hoax.”

But a fresh Fox News poll conducted last week and released on Sunday found that a majority of the American electorate wants Trump impeached. Fifty percent are in favor of impeaching and removing the president, while four percent say he should be impeached but not removed, and 41 percent oppose impeachment altogether."

 

Imagine the tantrum the man-child threw when he watched that news segment!

3 minutes ago, Longcut said:

It was not my opinion. It was taken straight from CNN's article. Isn't that the holy grail for you Libs?

 

If, by "holy grail", you mean the largest (correct me if I'm wrong) main stream (a.k.a. sane) news organization which is factually correct in almost all it's reporting then the answer would be yes.

20 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

It’s always the truth that brings out balderdash defense from person that prefer not to see the obvious immorality, unethical and corruption of Trump. 
 

If leftist is about liberalism, income equality, healthcare, free public education versus rightist caging immigrants children, opposed to gun control; put me down as a leftist. 

Thanks for providing a great example of a leftist, where their opinions and ideological beliefs have become a self proclaimed level of morality and intelligence with no reason. 

4 minutes ago, Becker said:

If, by "holy grail", you mean the largest (correct me if I'm wrong) main stream (a.k.a. sane) news organization which is factually correct in almost all it's reporting then the answer would be yes.

I guess those project Veritas videos were faked, no hidden agendas at all.... 

16 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

I guess those project Veritas videos were faked, no hidden agendas at all.... 

I don't know which specific videos you are referring to but since it's a garbage fake "news" source only taken seriously by the nutter Trump base that is indeed a distinct possibility.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas

 

"Project Veritas is an American right-wing activist group.[1][2][3][4] The group uses "disguises and hidden cameras to uncover supposed liberal bias and corruption".[1] The group is known for producing deceptively edited videos about media organizations and left-leaning groups.[5][2][6][7][8][9][10] In a 2018 book on propaganda and disinformation in U.S. politics, three Harvard University scholars refer to Project Veritas as a "right-wing disinformation outfit".[11]"

 

PS. Referring to Project Veritas and then talking about hidden agendas without feeling the egg hitting your face - priceless!

4 minutes ago, Becker said:

I don't know which specific videos you are referring to but since it's a garbage fake "news" source only taken seriously by the nutter Trump base that is indeed a distinct possibility.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas

 

"Project Veritas is an American right-wing activist group.[1][2][3][4] The group uses "disguises and hidden cameras to uncover supposed liberal bias and corruption".[1] The group is known for producing deceptively edited videos about media organizations and left-leaning groups.[5][2][6][7][8][9][10] In a 2018 book on propaganda and disinformation in U.S. politics, three Harvard University scholars refer to Project Veritas as a "right-wing disinformation outfit".[11]"

Well, I guess those actual words out of people's mouth are" garbage" because you are too biased to make the effort.