Ex-Olympic champion nabbed for working without a permit

[Tropposurfer]

14 hours ago, evadgib said:

How hard would it be for this pillock to have obtained a WP & worked legally?

Yeah my thoughts exactly ... what dufus, serves him right.

[RJRS1301]

5 hours ago, grifbel said:

Was he an Olympic champion?  When I checked wiki, it said he was a bronze medallist?

And your champion medal count in any race is ?

 

[grifbel]

 

18 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

And your champion medal count in any race is ?

 

You definitely get the gold medal for brainless comments.

That being said, my Olympic gold medal count is as high as the cyclist in question.

If 3rd place finishers are referred to as champions, then 3rd place teams from the World Cup or any other competition can refer to themselves as champions.  You can keep your gold medal though!????

Edited December 29, 2019 by grifbel

[overherebc]

21 hours ago, BigC said:

Many countries  round the world require wo4k permits for foreigners 

 

Trying to do on the cheap

 

Why the gym not ask for his permit?

The company has to submit all sorts of paperwork including directors etc and tax records etc.  You take it further------

Edit.

And not many countries have such an extensive list of protected jobs ie Thais only lines of work.

Edited December 29, 2019 by overherebc

[webfact]

UPDATE:

 

Olympian Marc Ryan's Thailand 'jail' horror

 

An Olympic Games medal winner from New Zealand was reportedly forced to spend four nights in a filthy immigration detention centre in Thailand.

 

Former track cyclist Marc Ryan, who won bronze in the team pursuit in 2008 and 2012, was arrested on December 9 due to a visa mix-up.

 

According to the New Zealand Herald, immigration police alleged Ryan had been working illegally at a cycling studio in Bangkok.

The report said 37-year-old Ryan was forced to sleep in a dirty and crowded cell for two nights following his arrest.

 

Full story: https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/118506414/olympian-marc-ryans-thailand-jail-horror

 

-- Stuff 2019-12-30

[RJRS1301]

27 minutes ago, webfact said:

UPDATE:

 

Olympian Marc Ryan's Thailand 'jail' horror

 

An Olympic Games medal winner from New Zealand was reportedly forced to spend four nights in a filthy immigration detention centre in Thailand.

 

Former track cyclist Marc Ryan, who won bronze in the team pursuit in 2008 and 2012, was arrested on December 9 due to a visa mix-up.

 

According to the New Zealand Herald, immigration police alleged Ryan had been working illegally at a cycling studio in Bangkok.

The report said 37-year-old Ryan was forced to sleep in a dirty and crowded cell for two nights following his arrest.

 

Full story: https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/118506414/olympian-marc-ryans-thailand-jail-horror

 

-- Stuff 2019-12-30

What was the visa "mix up"??

He actually did not have one allowing him to have a work permit??

 

 

[sirineou]

I dont think that having won an international sporting event excludes someone from Thai laws.

[MasterBaker]

6 minutes ago, sirineou said:

I dont think that having won an international sporting event excludes someone from Thai laws.

or any laws, but it surely puts you in a magazine article

[tifino]

Ejected, and in a tropical Olympian way... 

 

 

[BigC]

On 12/29/2019 at 9:32 AM, overherebc said:

The company has to submit all sorts of paperwork including directors etc and tax records etc.  You take it further------

Edit.

And not many countries have such an extensive list of protected jobs ie Thais only lines of work.

I know  that each company is limited ti amount  of work permits per company 

Still he Could have got q consultant permit for fitness

 

Tourist  visa is just taking the <deleted>

 

I know people who when they come here and decide to work the first  thing tney ask is how to get a work permit before  even beginning  work

 

There  are lots of peoppe working  with permits

 

Why should  other people cheat the system and pay less while everyone else pays the right  amount 

 

There are allot of gyms  in Thailand  if he was as good trainer as he said he was then he could  have either set up his own fitness company or gone to a gym that sypplied his work permit

 

No excuse

 

Plus not sure but have to doubke check but thjnk they may have  relaxed work permit rules so people can travel around  to different address with one permit

 

Rarther than just the address the permit is registered  to

[Cereal]

Apparently riding a bicycle doesn't necessarily make one intelligent enough to read and follow extremely simple laws. 

 

Ya wanna work? Git yerself a legal work permit. 

[nifty11]

Apparently he had applied for a new WP but made the mistake of leaving the country and returned on a tourist visa. 

[meechai]

I am surprised it took them this long actually

 

This guy was pretty in the open coaching many & even dated/trained Varnvarn Aroonnnapa for awhile

They also took a trip to Bali but I noticed after he posted an IG pic kissing her it all went south

(shouldn't kiss & tell) ????

 

[overherebc]

2 hours ago, BigC said:

I know  that each company is limited ti amount  of work permits per company 

Still he Could have got q consultant permit for fitness

 

Tourist  visa is just taking the <deleted>

 

I know people who when they come here and decide to work the first  thing tney ask is how to get a work permit before  even beginning  work

 

There  are lots of peoppe working  with permits

 

Why should  other people cheat the system and pay less while everyone else pays the right  amount 

 

There are allot of gyms  in Thailand  if he was as good trainer as he said he was then he could  have either set up his own fitness company or gone to a gym that sypplied his work permit

 

No excuse

 

Plus not sure but have to doubke check but thjnk they may have  relaxed work permit rules so people can travel around  to different address with one permit

 

Rarther than just the address the permit is registered  to

Forget the idea of

'Have permit Will travel' 

You can go and work for another branch of the same company in another province but the company still has to register you with the labour office in that province without having to apply for a new WP.

You can't get a WP that allows you to work wherever and for whatever company you feel like.

 

Edited December 30, 2019 by overherebc

[Enoon]

1 hour ago, nifty11 said:

Apparently he had applied for a new WP but made the mistake of leaving the country and returned on a tourist visa. 

 

And had been granted a Non-Imm B visa.

 

Whatever that means.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12297006

 

 

Edited December 30, 2019 by Enoon

[AgMech Cowboy]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

UPDATE:

Olympian Marc Ryan's Thailand 'jail' horror

 

... forced to spend four nights in a filthy immigration detention centre in Thailand.

The whole point of the article was the condition of the cell(s) at the detention center. I feel for him and others who have been caught in these difficult situations. It is only a deterrent if there is a lot of publicity.  Maybe that's what immigration are wanting to happen. (still sad and hope I never mess-up).

[Andrew65]

5 hours ago, BigC said:

I know  that each company is limited ti amount  of work permits per company 

Still he Could have got q consultant permit for fitness

 

Tourist  visa is just taking the <deleted>

 

I know people who when they come here and decide to work the first  thing tney ask is how to get a work permit before  even beginning  work

 

There  are lots of peoppe working  with permits

 

Why should  other people cheat the system and pay less while everyone else pays the right  amount 

 

There are allot of gyms  in Thailand  if he was as good trainer as he said he was then he could  have either set up his own fitness company or gone to a gym that sypplied his work permit

 

No excuse

 

Plus not sure but have to doubke check but thjnk they may have  relaxed work permit rules so people can travel around  to different address with one permit

 

Rarther than just the address the permit is registered  to

Lots of Thai companies don't want to go through the hassle & expense of getting work permits for employees, that came over in some of the stuff I've read about teachers in Thailand.

 

[BigC]

3 hours ago, Andrew65 said:

Lots of Thai companies don't want to go through the hassle & expense of getting work permits for employees, that came over in some of the stuff I've read about teachers in Thailand.

 

Well if thats the case as they say

 

Up to them

 

But if they already know  what they are doing then par for the coarse

[BigC]

6 hours ago, overherebc said:

Forget the idea of

'Have permit Will travel' 

You can go and work for another branch of the same company in another province but the company still has to register you with the labour office in that province without having to apply for a new WP.

You can't get a WP that allows you to work wherever and for whatever company you feel like.

 

Was wondering  about that

 

For exampke electricans who work from.house to house  have had problems in the past was hoping  them ammended some job rules

[overherebc]

14 minutes ago, BigC said:

Was wondering  about that

 

For exampke electricans who work from.house to house  have had problems in the past was hoping  them ammended some job rules

Expat electricians would not get a WP to do domestic work. Probably on big construction jobs, power station shut downs etc.

[Scot123]

Wow so many holier than thow people on here or I'm alright Jack up you. Grasping one part of a story and excluding all else is so typical of the twisted hatred on here. It's the conditions he was kept in that is the story here and not the archaic immigration laws of Thailand. I never realised there were so many perfect law abiding expats in Thailand who break no laws and or play in the murky gray areas of Thailand and its laws. So boring or such fibbers I not sure which. To the perfect who do no wrong and wish all law breakers burnt at the stake are most likely technically breaking Thai immigration laws every day from driving your own car, washing it, cutting your grass or doing any of the hundreds of chores you do that a Thai could be paid to do. There by the grace of God go I. 

[jackdd]

36 minutes ago, Scot123 said:

Wow so many holier than thow people on here or I'm alright Jack up you. Grasping one part of a story and excluding all else is so typical of the twisted hatred on here. It's the conditions he was kept in that is the story here and not the archaic immigration laws of Thailand. I never realised there were so many perfect law abiding expats in Thailand who break no laws and or play in the murky gray areas of Thailand and its laws. So boring or such fibbers I not sure which. To the perfect who do no wrong and wish all law breakers burnt at the stake are most likely technically breaking Thai immigration laws every day from driving your own car, washing it, cutting your grass or doing any of the hundreds of chores you do that a Thai could be paid to do. There by the grace of God go I. 

Actually this topic is about him being arrested for working illegally, the other article regarding the bad conditions was posted later.

 

The reactions from the people here are somehow justified due to what he did. He clearly came to Thailand to work here, coach clients and get paid. He was aware that doing this on a tourist visa is illegal. He probably also knew that getting caught means being arrested and deported, and there is a good chance he ever heard about the conditions in Thai jails. This is definitely his own fault, and hearing him complain about the conditions in IDC now sounds a bit funny.

Maybe next time he tries to spray some grafitti in Singapore, and then complains about what will happen to him.

 

If he had been arrested because he helped his girlfriend grill some chicken in her restaurant the people here would condemn him way less.

 

[StayinThailand2much]

On 12/27/2019 at 5:53 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Snitch!!!

At the same time, Thais working without work permit in New Zealand...

[BKKBike09]

12 hours ago, Scot123 said:

Wow so many holier than thow people on here or I'm alright Jack up you. Grasping one part of a story and excluding all else is so typical of the twisted hatred on here. It's the conditions he was kept in that is the story here and not the archaic immigration laws of Thailand. I never realised there were so many perfect law abiding expats in Thailand who break no laws and or play in the murky gray areas of Thailand and its laws. So boring or such fibbers I not sure which. To the perfect who do no wrong and wish all law breakers burnt at the stake are most likely technically breaking Thai immigration laws every day from driving your own car, washing it, cutting your grass or doing any of the hundreds of chores you do that a Thai could be paid to do. There by the grace of God go I. 

Yes. And he 'only' won bronze medals so basically a bit of a loser etc etc. I see he won bronze medals both in 2008 Beijing and 2012 London: maintaining that level of performance between Olympics is impressive in itself. 

 

As with so many of these reports, who knows what really happened. This from the NZ Herald:

 

After studying for a coaching diploma at the UCI World Cycling Centre in Switzerland and working in Italy, Ryan moved to Thailand two years ago for a coaching job. He was there on a working visa but earlier this year decided to swap jobs, where he'd help a mixture of top athletes and up and coming stars, as well as people cycling for fitness.

 

Ryan didn't work from August to October while going through a new work visa application. He told the Herald he'd been granted a non-immigrant B visa – the initial visa that foreigners on a travel visa must acquire before applying for a work visa – when he was arrested earlier this month ...

 

... Ryan's photo had appeared on marketing material for the company, which meant he felt he had no option other than to plead guilty ... He hasn't been blacklisted from Thailand and could one day return. He has a girlfriend there but Ryan says he won't be rushing back.

 

Before his deportation, he said he was threatened with kidnapping or that he would "go missing". Harassment allegations were also made against him, without any complaints made or charges laid. He wants to take some time to consider his options, especially given that he has fears for his safety. "Money basically talks there," he says. "And I'm not quite sure what to do yet."

 

 

 

[RJRS1301]

2 hours ago, BKKBike09 said:

 

 

Before his deportation, he said he was threatened with kidnapping or that he would "go missing". Harassment allegations were also made against him, without any complaints made or charges laid. He wants to take some time to consider his options, especially given that he has fears for his safety. "Money basically talks there," he says. "And I'm not quite sure what to do yet."

 

 

 

Having said that I doubt it would be a walk through for him on trying to re-enter the country.

Hope they do not know the name of his girlfriend.

 

[Scot123]

5 hours ago, BKKBike09 said:

Yes. And he 'only' won bronze medals so basically a bit of a loser etc etc. I see he won bronze medals both in 2008 Beijing and 2012 London: maintaining that level of performance between Olympics is impressive in itself. 

 

As with so many of these reports, who knows what really happened. This from the NZ Herald:

 

After studying for a coaching diploma at the UCI World Cycling Centre in Switzerland and working in Italy, Ryan moved to Thailand two years ago for a coaching job. He was there on a working visa but earlier this year decided to swap jobs, where he'd help a mixture of top athletes and up and coming stars, as well as people cycling for fitness.

 

Ryan didn't work from August to October while going through a new work visa application. He told the Herald he'd been granted a non-immigrant B visa – the initial visa that foreigners on a travel visa must acquire before applying for a work visa – when he was arrested earlier this month ...

 

... Ryan's photo had appeared on marketing material for the company, which meant he felt he had no option other than to plead guilty ... He hasn't been blacklisted from Thailand and could one day return. He has a girlfriend there but Ryan says he won't be rushing back.

 

Before his deportation, he said he was threatened with kidnapping or that he would "go missing". Harassment allegations were also made against him, without any complaints made or charges laid. He wants to take some time to consider his options, especially given that he has fears for his safety. "Money basically talks there," he says. "And I'm not quite sure what to do yet."

 

 

 

Thanks for that. It kind of hits the nail on the head. All the supposedly do gooders on here with the hang him screams is very saddening. All it takes is upsetting someone in Thailand and your crucified and it doesn't take much especially with the hotline set up to spy on foreigners. Some people just don't get it yet. I always remember the Dutch guy and his wife left to rote in prison and will never be let out as all his assets have vanished. I know of a poor foreigner who got caught up in a dispute between 2 immigration officers (not even high ranking) and found himself in prison being forced to confess to a crime he did not commit or risk years in prison and kicked out losing everything he had and this type of thing sadly is not rare. 

[meechai]

Sad that these guys get popped for such simple deals & then treated like hard criminals

Says a lot about the host country

There is another cyclist from Chiang Rai that also coaches in many Thai spots... Hope he watches his back

[RJRS1301]

28 minutes ago, meechai said:

Sad that these guys get popped for such simple deals & then treated like hard criminals

Says a lot about the host country

There is another cyclist from Chiang Rai that also coaches in many Thai spots... Hope he watches his back

Or has the correct, legal documentation

[FritsSikkink]

On ‎12‎/‎30‎/‎2019 at 3:28 PM, Andrew65 said:

Lots of Thai companies don't want to go through the hassle & expense of getting work permits for employees, that came over in some of the stuff I've read about teachers in Thailand.

 

So then you don't work for them and find a proper company who does.

[Andrew65]

4 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

So then you don't work for them and find a proper company who does.

I never worked in Thailand.

Many of these people will do virtually anything to stay in the LOS, sometimes a part of why some people end up getting into trouble there.

I have an old friend of 20 years who is actually a properly qualified teacher who would be better off leaving Thailand and heading back home to sort himself out financially, I actually advised him of that, around the same time that he borrowed 20 Baht off a mutual friend for a motorbike taxi.

I was fortunate enough that all the years that I lived in Thailand I always had plenty of money, I really can't see the point in being there if we're broke and can't enjoy ourselves, as I think we all did when we first went on holiday and were "2 week millionaires"!????