To be clear, I spent my ten years North of Chiengmai and now just visit 4 months a years, except this year, which I am in the dreary, cold, clean, (AQI 10) WET Coast of Canada.  Just checking the AQI readings today Jan 19, 2020     Hang Dong hospital 156   Sanka Paeng 184  (sp?) Chieng Dao 106 (old spelling)  Udon Thani 138 Vientiane 127 Battambang (Cambodia)  180 Pattaya 155 Hua Hin 158 Chieng Rai 147  Kunming ( Yunnan, China) 78  Kuala Lampur 78  Ho Chi Min (Saigon) 110 . Of course these readings are not static, but, it may be time to think of other options than moving to Cambodia or Vietnam. I have not figured it out. I am now single, but once moved a long time wife to Indonesia and she was quite an exotic there. Looked similar and no historical enmity with Thailand. We were there a year, but I doubt she would last long. Taking a Thai wife to Cambodia or Myanmar is impossible, due to their history.

My ex Thai wife has comfortably lived in Canada for a dozen years....same with the USA, Europe etc.  Thai women adapt well to a 'Western' culture, as it is a 'step up'. We....generally want to 'step down'.  Yeah......being single again is great ????

Is your concern Air quality or finding another soon to be ex-wife in SE asia?  555 Peace

36 minutes ago, Teak said:

Taking a Thai wife to Cambodia or Myanmar is impossible, due to their history.

Plenty of Khmer and Burmese women available, no need to import Thais.

Although personally I'd be shopping for a Viet wife as the $50 for 5 years VISA is unbeatable.

2nd choice would be a Filipino wife with their free VISA for 1 year.

57 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Plenty of Khmer and Burmese women available, no need to import Thais.

Although personally I'd be shopping for a Viet wife as the $50 for 5 years VISA is unbeatable.

2nd choice would be a Filipino wife with their free VISA for 1 year.

Well, 3 wives...German/Canadian, Thai, Chinese.....long term marriages. Being single (for an old fart) is like being 40 again ????

Yes.

Go to a country and shop for a wife based on the cost and available Visa...

Wow.

Has to be some of the dumbest and focused cheap reasons I have ever heard.

I remember being regularly on Soc.culture.thailand back in the late '90's..... My initial comment had nothing to do with women, it was about the entire region has 'bad' air for the winter months.  There is a different kind of male in Chiengmai today....it seems. Many are interested in receiving a cheap foot massage or where the best kiffer drink which can be found. There was a time, when we had to be smart/tough in Chiengmai....and far smarter/ tougher in the backwoods. Potential death was always present and we accepted that....now you guys seem to want your favourite yogurt.  There are a few of you who understand me. It was once dangerous and bloody fun....and we made friends with Thai males. Thai males were our introduction to the culture....not the latest trollop at the bar. 

On 1/19/2020 at 10:35 AM, BritManToo said:

Although personally I'd be shopping for a Viet wife as the $50 for 5 years VISA is unbeatable.

I thought Indonesia gives 10-15 year visa after 2 years married... Sounds even better to me.

I would go to check out Indonesia and Vietnam if I was the OP, leave TH for what it is. Not worth it compared to those options.

On 1/19/2020 at 2:00 PM, Teak said:

it may be time to think of other options than moving to Cambodia or Vietnam.

I read Thailand had 150 fires going at one night, Cambodia 900, careful what you wish for, although Sydney looks crystal clear with a reading of 20, hope you can afford the clean air if you decide to go that way ????

 

On 1/19/2020 at 4:35 AM, BritManToo said:

Plenty of Khmer and Burmese women available, no need to import Thais.

Although personally I'd be shopping for a Viet wife as the $50 for 5 years VISA is unbeatable.

2nd choice would be a Filipino wife with their free VISA for 1 year.

Your suggestion Could turn out to be more expensive then the Elite visa.

On 1/19/2020 at 11:55 AM, bkk6060 said:

Yes.

Go to a country and shop for a wife based on the cost and available Visa...

Wow.

Has to be some of the dumbest and focused cheap reasons I have ever heard.

 

On 1/19/2020 at 11:55 AM, bkk6060 said:

Yes.

Go to a country and shop for a wife based on the cost and available Visa...

Wow.

Has to be some of the dumbest and focused cheap reasons I have ever heard.

I think many women think along these lines.  Called pragmatism.  But on the other hand.....

19 hours ago, Teak said:

I remember being regularly on Soc.culture.thailand back in the late '90's..... My initial comment had nothing to do with women, it was about the entire region has 'bad' air for the winter months.  There is a different kind of male in Chiengmai today....it seems. Many are interested in receiving a cheap foot massage or where the best kiffer drink which can be found. There was a time, when we had to be smart/tough in Chiengmai....and far smarter/ tougher in the backwoods. Potential death was always present and we accepted that....now you guys seem to want your favourite yogurt.  There are a few of you who understand me. It was once dangerous and bloody fun....and we made friends with Thai males. Thai males were our introduction to the culture....not the latest trollop at the bar. 

Ok boomer.

On 1/19/2020 at 11:41 AM, Teak said:

Well, 3 wives...German/Canadian, Thai, Chinese.....long term marriages. Being single (for an old fart) is like being 40 again ????

 

Jesus...

 

My first wife was Australian, but she had German roots. So at the end she became Australian/German Canadian.

 

My Second wife was Thai.

 

My third wife will be Chinese the way things are going.

 

How long did your last marriage last? ????

 

 

 

 

19 hours ago, Teak said:

There are a few of you who understand me. It was once dangerous and bloody fun....and we made friends with Thai males. Thai males were our introduction to the culture....not the latest trollop at the bar. 

I've met plenty of Thai males, they were all wearing dresses at the time.

On 1/19/2020 at 11:41 AM, Teak said:

Well, 3 wives...German/Canadian, Thai, Chinese.....long term marriages. Being single (for an old fart) is like being 40 again ????

Why didn't the marriages with your 3 wives last? Do the problems lie with you or them?

7 minutes ago, Pravda said:

 

Jesus...

 

My first wife was Australian, but she had German roots. So at the end she became Australian/German Canadian.

 

My Second wife was Thai.

 

My third wife will be Chinese the way things are going.

 

How long did your last marriage last? ????

 

 

Wow! Why did you change wife as often as you change clothes?

 

 

5 minutes ago, EricTh said:

Why didn't the marriages with your 3 wives last? Do the problems lie with you or them?

Lying with them is always the best bit.

I prefer no wife. BUt I have a GF for 18 years and a  daughter with her. For sometime when my daughter was born, my GF was into marriage too much. I asked her if she wanted to go to the USA and live there and she said no. I asked her what benefits you would get if I marry her in Thailand? She could not give me a convinving answer.  Now she does not really care. I bought her a new house in a gated community, a new car last year after ten years with her old  vios, and she has access to my 7 million BHT in banks. I may also buy a condo for me to live in her name. Why she needs to marry me ????.

19 hours ago, Teak said:

I remember being regularly on Soc.culture.thailand back in the late '90's..... My initial comment had nothing to do with women, it was about the entire region has 'bad' air for the winter months.  There is a different kind of male in Chiengmai today....it seems. Many are interested in receiving a cheap foot massage or where the best kiffer drink which can be found. There was a time, when we had to be smart/tough in Chiengmai....and far smarter/ tougher in the backwoods. Potential death was always present and we accepted that....now you guys seem to want your favourite yogurt.  There are a few of you who understand me. It was once dangerous and bloody fun....and we made friends with Thai males. Thai males were our introduction to the culture....not the latest trollop at the bar. 

Nostalgia ain't what it used to be....LOL

4 hours ago, EricTh said:

Why didn't the marriages with your 3 wives last? Do the problems lie with you or them?

Based on his post I would make an educated guess that the problem lies with him.

9 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I've met plenty of Thai males, they were all wearing dresses at the time.

Correct ????????‍♂️????????????????????????

I like Thailand and Thai folk.

So many of the problems are caused by Frangs.

The ones who have broken the laws on Finance require to live here and the ones who have run away leaving unpaid bills with the Medical authorities.

We foreigners chose to live in Thailand and so many of our kind have queered the system for those of us who play the game.

Thailand their country and they make the rules, if we want to play then we obey if not GO please GO and stop spoiling our quiet peaceful life.

 

john

21 hours ago, Vascoda said:

I prefer no wife. BUt I have a GF for 18 years and a  daughter with her. For sometime when my daughter was born, my GF was into marriage too much. I asked her if she wanted to go to the USA and live there and she said no. I asked her what benefits you would get if I marry her in Thailand? She could not give me a convinving answer.  Now she does not really care. I bought her a new house in a gated community, a new car last year after ten years with her old  vios, and she has access to my 7 million BHT in banks. I may also buy a condo for me to live in her name. Why she needs to marry me ????.

Aren’t we full of ourselves.

On 1/20/2020 at 6:00 PM, BritManToo said:

I've met plenty of Thai males, they were all wearing dresses at the time.

Are you sure they weren't just a few Burma boys visiting for work.....Ok....there is a startling cuteness factor in considering the difference

  ????

22 hours ago, Kurtf said:

Based on his post I would make an educated guess that the problem lies with him.

Could be a valid point, but 13 yrs with the first one, 17 years the the next, and 7 with the last. They tend to stay awhile....but, change is good. Based on your response, I would suppose you have been shackled to the same one for a very long time and now live as brother and sister. Not uncommon.

On 1/18/2020 at 8:55 PM, bkk6060 said:

Yes.

Go to a country and shop for a wife based on the cost and available Visa...

Wow.

Has to be some of the dumbest and focused cheap reasons I have ever heard.

Excuse me....I have had enough wives (3 long term marriages) . My point was why stay in a place where the air is putrid for 5 months a year and the Chinese virus is creeping south ?  My point was where in SE Asia was worthwhile to go ? I was in Hanoi in 1989....not quite the same as today. I have no wife now and want no wife tomorrow. I have been around too long. My point was....where to go ?

If you have a Thai wife she cannot live in Cambodia or Vietnam for long. My point was where are the options for the

unencumbered?  Yes, I lived in Indonesia for a year , Myanmar for 6 months and Malaysia many times. I do not know where these posters become obsessed with women. Women are women....eventually you learn that White, Brown, Black....makes no difference.

My post was not engenius...as  there is no where left in SE Asia to live well, as there used to be.

 

IMO.... Married without wanting kids is like paying for a friend and headaches and sex that will definitely get old.... no way.  I would only marry someone to be the mother of my kid, and it would have to be a smart lady since a single parent is bad for any child.  Kids are expensive, but probably worth it.  Paying some random lady seems ridiculous.  If she has more money, that will be worse.  

 

Life is simple if you trust yourself.  Get educated, work, work smart, make money, save money, take control over your life, then add others.  If you don't want kids, just make more friends.  

On 1/20/2020 at 6:05 PM, EricTh said:

Wow! Why did you change wife as often as you change clothes?

 

 

 

On 1/20/2020 at 6:05 PM, EricTh said:

Wow! Why did you change wife as often as you change clothes?

 

 

You are still that simple ? ...Almost, every man I know in Thailand pays his 'wife' an allowance. No money, no honey....;-)

My ex Thai wife of 17 years were business partners......the 'one pocket' is what we had. This gives a Thai woman power and chooses to be loyal, because we are in it together. That fat f%%k on the golph course simply pays his Pattaya whore to smile on command. Yes, 3 ex wives.....but 2 of the three call me every month to just keep connected. 

The point was, where to go, when Thailand is no longer sustainable for us White guys?  This has nothing to do with women.

Excuse me , when you have learned enough you will finally realize that White women, Asian women, Black women, Hispanic women ......they ain't different.

On 2/19/2020 at 12:29 PM, Teak said:

there is no where left in SE Asia to live well, as there used to be.

Everywhere in Asia looks better to me than a bedsit in Bolton.

On 2/26/2020 at 9:08 AM, Ventenio said:

Kids are expensive

Lots of people say that, but I've never found it to be the case.

On 1/20/2020 at 12:29 AM, ChaiyaTH said:

I thought Indonesia gives 10-15 year visa after 2 years married... Sounds even better to me.

I would go to check out Indonesia and Vietnam if I was the OP, leave TH for what it is. Not worth it compared to those options.

Hi, I lived in Indonesia for several years, mostly in Surabaya and East Kalimantan. I liked the Java women and some of the Java men...as they were no threat.  However, the Bugis men on Sulawesia...if you are connected, or not, can be great allies....or deadly enemies. The word 'Boogey Man'  came from the first Dutch colonizers who could not conrol the Buguis......when they returned to Europe they would say to their chidren "be good or the Buguis will get you." Eventually that became bastardized from Buguis to Boogey.  The term running 'amok' is also from Indonesia. The Buguis are similar to some groups of Vietnamese. Small, but bloody tough.