UK plans to introduce border controls on EU goods after post-Brexit transition

[evadgib]

18 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

You've had 3. I want doesn't get. I thought you were better brought up than that, try saying "please" sometime.

Try reading back...????

[izod10]

12 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Ah, another fine example of the mindset of an open minded, liberal, sophisticated, intelligent Remainer that all of us knuckle dragging Leavers admire so much ????.

 

Back to reality, Johnson's government is getting tough on the EU's attempts to keep us locked into their undemocratic protectionist racket. An Australian style deal looking more and more likely by the day ????.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-51650961

 

 

Agree,totally.   Nothing like a good jealous spat,  all here are queing up for a pitiful show of jealousy, and so they should, time will certainly tell here, eire is about to go on bankrupt  now the IRA are in charge, chased off Englands doorstep, no trade  eire will be singled out for extra special treatment,cost the EU billions,if not trillions keeping the knuckledraggers in poatao soup

[evadgib]

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Pound has lost around 20% of its value compared to before the referendum.

So anyone living in Thailand but paid in the UK has had a 20% pay cut because of the colour of passports or something.

That includes many pensioners who were not exactly rolling in wealth to begin with.

But so has everyone else as a result of the financial crisis that preceded B-B-Brexit & is far from over.

[samran]

20 minutes ago, izod10 said:

Duh,  keep up with events.  No unfettered access to UK,only British passports now issued not UK/EU ones  ,hint  clue  OK  access denied, now I know its going to hurt  but out is out  who says?  Boris  lol   not a chance of unfettered access, if "right of stay" is not stamped in EU passport  ,no work/ no accomodation,no nothing   off you go       Clueless  lol  lol

  What we are witnessing here is breakup of EU,nothing else,all tearing each other apart,come fishing ,clamping down of EU imports into UK   ,time is up for gang of morons

Ah, at least you are entertaining...even if you are totally wrong.

 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/home-affairs/immigration/the-common-travel-area-and-irish-citizens-in-the-uk-after-brexit/

[izod10]

12 minutes ago, samran said:

Ah, at least you are entertaining...even if you are totally wrong.

 

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/home-affairs/immigration/the-common-travel-area-and-irish-citizens-in-the-uk-after-brexit/

Now UK passports are issued, no common areas    no "permission to stay" stamp in passport  off you go,  all part of Brexit,  Brexit rules OK   nothing before it matters

  Notice how Boris is bringing in the referendum for irish re-unification, Boris is adamant ireland will be gone as far as England is concerned ,he (and the English) want shut  ,and will be got shut of, no travel areas  its all over

Edited February 28, 2020 by izod10

[DannyCarlton]

13 minutes ago, evadgib said:

But so has everyone else as a result of the financial crisis that preceded B-B-Brexit & is far from over.

You've already been given the figures. None of the other major currencies suffered a drop anything like that of the GBP in the days and weeks post the Brexit referendum. If you disagree name one, with figures.

[samran]

2 minutes ago, izod10 said:

Now UK passports are issued, no common areas    no "permission to stay" stamp in passport  off you go,  all part of Brexit,  Brexit rules OK   nothing before it matters

Didn’t even read the link! Well done lad. A gold star for you.

 

Ah with people like you in charge living in fact free zones, a Capital ‘B’ Brexit is a dead cert. 

 

Along with that comes a decidedly ‘B’ grade Britain!

 

Sing it with me lads! 
 

‘It’s gold, it’s round, one dollar to the pound, Engerland....Engerland...!’

[DannyCarlton]

5 minutes ago, izod10 said:

Now UK passports are issued, no common areas    no "permission to stay" stamp in passport  off you go,  all part of Brexit,  Brexit rules OK   nothing before it matters

Doesn't apply to ROI passports and never will despite your wet dreams.

[samran]

27 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Pound has lost around 20% of its value compared to before the referendum.

So anyone living in Thailand but paid in the UK has had a 20% pay cut because of the colour of passports or something.

That includes many pensioners who were not exactly rolling in wealth to begin with.

Maybe ‘Poundland’ for a rebadged Britain might be a bit OTT....

 

How does 80p land sound to you?

[Logosone]

28 minutes ago, evadgib said:

But so has everyone else as a result of the financial crisis that preceded B-B-Brexit & is far from over.

 

Not at all. 

 

Take a look at this historical chart of the USD vs the Swiss Franc. You will see the USD did best in 2001. As a result of the recent financial crisis there was a small upward correction in favour of the USD, but the Swiss Franc swiftly resumed a favourable course against the USD.

 

So as you can see, the Swiss Franc for instance has not sufferend anything near the same depreciation as the Pound, whether due to the  financial crisis or otherwise. Quite the opposite.

 

Now can you have a look what happened to the British Pound in this time? The Pound performed much, much worse and lost value by comparison.

 

 

https://www.macrotrends.net/2558/us-dollar-swiss-franc-exchange-rate-historical-chart

 

Edited February 28, 2020 by Logosone

[izod10]

3 minutes ago, Logosone said:

 

Not at all. 

 

Take a look at this historical chart of the USD vs the Swiss Franc. You will see the USD did best in 2001. As a result of the recent financial crisis there was a small upward correction in favour of the USD, but the Swiss Franc swiftly resumed a favourable course against the USD.

 

So as you can see, the Swiss Franc for instance has not sufferend anything near the same depreciation as the Pound, whether due to the  financial crisis or otherwise. Quite the opposite.

 

Now can you have a look what happened to the British Pound in this time? The Pound performed much, much worse and lost value by comparison.

 

 

https://www.macrotrends.net/2558/us-dollar-swiss-franc-exchange-rate-historical-chart

 

Swiss franc,US doller are considered reserve currencies   duh   pick on the Euro

[sanemax]

16 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

You've already been given the figures. None of the other major currencies suffered a drop anything like that of the GBP in the days and weeks post the Brexit referendum. If you disagree name one, with figures.

Most currencies have lost value against the Baht over the last few years though, because the Baht has strengthened 

[DannyCarlton]

Just now, sanemax said:

Most currencies have lost value against the Baht over the last few years though, because the Baht has strengthened 

Not to the extent that the GBP has particularly post Brexit referendum. You are correct in saying that a percentage of the loss GBP/THB is due to the strength of the baht over the last couple of years. My best guess, 50%.

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Not to the extent that the GBP has particularly post Brexit referendum. You are correct in saying that a percentage of the loss GBP/THB is due to the strength of the baht over the last couple of years. My best guess, 50%.

Straight after the Brexit vote the Pound fell slightly. 1 or 2 Baht , it fell a lot after that due to the uncertainty of what what happen after the vote .

  10 % of the Pound falling was due to the Brexit vote, 40 % was due to the uncertainty and 50 % was due to the Bahts strengthening IMO

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Logosone said:

 

Right now the coronavirus is a threat to the economy, but the UK also faces the threat of the EU closing  free access to the City of London's services providers. 

 

 So far already £1 trillion of assets and 7,000 banking jobs moved from UK to EU due to fear of a no-deal Brexit, as this fine UK newspaper explains:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-city-of-london-jobs-financial-services-banking-impact-a8975711.html

 

Can you imagine what will happen if no-deal Brexit becomes a de-facto reality and the City's service providers no longer have free access to the EU's market?

 

The exodus of assets and jobs leaving the City will be greater still. The City's position as a financial hub will be greatly damaged.

 

Coronavirus will be a temporary issue, but the EU closing markets to the City's financial services providers will be for good.

Big claims from "Ali" at EY but no documented evidence, as usual, from the Independent. An addendum to project fear no doubt.

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

Straight after the Brexit vote the Pound fell slightly. 1 or 2 Baht , it fell a lot after that due to the uncertainty of what what happen after the vote .

  10 % of the Pound falling was due to the Brexit vote, 40 % was due to the uncertainty and 50 % was due to the Bahts strengthening IMO

Done!

[nauseus]

57 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Pound has lost around 20% of its value compared to before the referendum.

So anyone living in Thailand but paid in the UK has had a 20% pay cut because of the colour of passports or something.

That includes many pensioners who were not exactly rolling in wealth to begin with.

Incorrect. It's about 10% now (USD).

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

How was the pound doing prior to the referendum and how is it doing now?

Thats not just one day is it?

Yeah its a grand day? You mentioned the unit of time. Not me, Sherlock.

[Logosone]

20 minutes ago, izod10 said:

Swiss franc,US doller are considered reserve currencies   duh   pick on the Euro

 

Hahahahaha, the Euro is actually a reserve currency. In fact 20% of global reserve currency is held in Euro. Only 0.14 in Swiss Francs.

 

Shock to the system huh? Talk about clueless.

[evadgib]

40 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

You've already been given the figures. None of the other major currencies suffered a drop anything like that of the GBP in the days and weeks post the Brexit referendum. If you disagree name one, with figures.

I'm throwing you a bone pal, not the other way around.

[tebee]

Brexit latest: We need to recruit & train 50,000 new customs officers by the end of this year because we’re *reducing* red tape...

Estimated annual wage bill: 
£1.5 BILLION

‘Why don’t we spend it on the NHS????

[JonnyF]

51 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Pound has lost around 20% of its value compared to before the referendum.

So anyone living in Thailand but paid in the UK has had a 20% pay cut because of the colour of passports or something.

That includes many pensioners who were not exactly rolling in wealth to begin with.

Conversely, those of us earning in Baht and sending money home to the UK every month are now able to buy properties for rental that are effectively 20% cheaper than those we were buying in 2015. Plus when we holiday back in the UK we do so not only with fantastic blue passports but with more pounds to spend in GREAT Britain from our Thailand salaries.

 

Bigger picture, British exporters are now much more competitive due to the weak pound.

 

So as always with currency swings, there are people who benefit and people who don't. As Thailand proves, a strong currency does not mean that everything in the country smells of roses.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, izod10 said:

Never mind eh  lol

FRANCE'S European Affairs Minister, Amélie de Montchalin, said on Wednesday that France would continue opposing cuts to agricultural subsidies in the bloc's 2021-27 budget, adding its farmers should not have to "pay" for Brexit.

Wot a larf. We've been subsidizing them for 47 years! 

[Logosone]

13 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Big claims from "Ali" at EY but no documented evidence, as usual, from the Independent. An addendum to project fear no doubt.

 

Come on, it's well documented that there's been an exodus of jobs from the City already due to fear of a no-deal Brexit.

 

If you don't want to take the Independent's word for it, look at Goldman Sachs or what Sir Mark Boleat, an ex-chairman of the City of London Corporation, has said:

 

"Already bleeding

But jobs are already leaving London. Banks including JP Morgan, Lloyds, Barclays, HSBC and Goldman Sachs have already established subsidiaries in other EU countries.

Read more: UK bank Lloyds joins move towards several European hubs after Brexit

Brexit could result in the loss of 75,000 jobs and up to £10 billion (€11.1 billion, $12.9 billion) in annual tax revenues, Sir Mark Boleat, an ex-chairman of the City of London Corporation, has said.

The Oliver Wyman consultancy says if the UK strikes a deal giving full market access, the impact on the City would be equivalent of 3,000-4,000 jobs. If the UK has no special status with the EU, meanwhile, the industry would lose 18 billion a year in revenue which would put 31,000 to 35,000 jobs at risk.

The so-called nuclear scenario is that the European Central Bank forces the relocation of clearing of euro-denominated trading from London to the eurozone, with the potential loss of 230,000 jobs in the City.

https://www.dw.com/en/will-brexit-kill-the-city/a-45372847

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Logosone said:

 

I think you are looking at the wrong one, obviously the key measure of the pound is GBP vs USD, not vs THB.

 

 

Get up-to-date-mate!

[JonnyF]

6 minutes ago, tebee said:

Brexit latest: We need to recruit & train 50,000 new customs officers by the end of this year because we’re *reducing* red tape...

Estimated annual wage bill: 
£1.5 BILLION

‘Why don’t we spend it on the NHS????

What price freedom?

 

You can sell yours for a % of GDP or a trade deal but you're a minority thankfully.

[sandyf]

4 hours ago, izod10 said:

  When there is a massive deficit with the EU does anything really matter,just stop trading,was it 93 billion or thereabouts?   Just stop trading with EU,the deficit the UK has with them could be spent elsewhere in the world,more bang for the buck as saying goes

  With CAP artificially inflating prices for farm produce in eu , spanish farmers now protesting at low values on their produce,olives etc,about to be CAP,good time to be gone

Another ill informed rant.

Access to the single market is the life blood of many exporters, but it means little to those that voted to leave, and it still won't, even to those with a P45 in their hand.

Just sit around in Wetherspoons and blame the EU.

 

 

[candide]

5 hours ago, izod10 said:

Not so,of course applying on line unlikely to suceed. Should have been done years ago applying for UK citizenship,even going back 40 years has been rejected,now just plain impossible.  Boris wants 3.6 million out and 3.6 million will be getting out,applying right now for permission to stay   Yeah  ,out you go,...no need for a stamp in passport of any permissions to stay,fact there is if  nothing there states everything.

  temporary (very temporary) obv will be granted to toilet cleaners ,bar staff whatever  ,hard for knuckleheaded irish tho,but a gift to Boris to get rid of irish tinkers at one fell swoop

 I am sure fellow UK citizens are overjoyed at the forthcoming events   God bless Boris  lol

 

  In short no free breakfasts,none  lol

Complete B.S..

85% of them will have been in UK for more than 5 years, so they will be allowed to stay according to UK law. For the half a million who have been for less than 5 years, they may not be allowed to stay but up to now, the current government has shown no intent to send them back.

Your claim is a nonsense and you haven't shown any source to support it.

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/405/the-rights-of-eu-nationals-in-the-uk-post-brexit

Edited February 28, 2020 by candide

[sandyf]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Complete B.S..

85% of them will have been in UK for more than 5 years, so they will be allowed to stay according to UK law. For the half a million who have been for less than 5 years, they may not be allowed to stay but up to now, the current government has shown no intent to send them back.

Your claim is a nonsense and you haven't shown any source to support it.

Why would you want to cloud the issue by bringing in facts?

Fantasy has become a way of life for some.

[DannyCarlton]

38 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Straight after the Brexit vote the Pound fell slightly. 1 or 2 Baht , it fell a lot after that due to the uncertainty of what what happen after the vote .

  10 % of the Pound falling was due to the Brexit vote, 40 % was due to the uncertainty and 50 % was due to the Bahts strengthening IMO

OK. The £ fell approximately 10% within a week or 2 of the vote. It's fallen another 10% since then. That's a total of 20%. 10% due to Brexit and 10% due to the strength of the Baht. That's 50/50. Happy to give you a maths lesson.