31 minutes ago, nauseus said:

British courts have no choice than to defer to EU Law because EU Law has primacy over any conflicting national laws of any member states.

 

Of course, that's why there have been no cases where British courts have had to determine 'if' and to what extent EU law supercedes UK law. The judge just picked up the big book of EU laws and declared 'I've no choice but to defer to EU law'.

 

Must be wonderful to have the inside track the way you do.

 

 

7 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

Yeah, old Grouse gone to cover since brexit and

dreading the coming EU collapse?

Where the vulture banks gather there will be a carcase

to feed on.

Coming EU collapse? Lol. The UK economy will collapse long before the EU does.

 

Look at the mess your economy is in before you talk about a much richer, bigger, more powerful set of economies.

21 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Of course, that's why there have been no cases where British courts have had to determine 'if' and to what extent EU law supercedes UK law. The judge just picked up the big book of EU laws and declared 'I've no choice but to defer to EU law'.

 

Must be wonderful to have the inside track the way you do.

 

 

BTW do they (U.K.) have already written laws , as I came to the surprising conclusion they have no written constitution ……??

5 minutes ago, david555 said:

BTW do they (U.K.) have already written laws , as I came to the surprising conclusion they have no written constitution ……??

The British are not a methodical, organised or intellectual people. They have a constitution, it is written in disparate acts of parliament, court cases and documented conventions. But they never could be bothered to codify it properly like the magnificent French constitution.

 

Just like they don't bother to codify or plan their production in factories properly, hence much lower productivity of the British worker. Not to mention the NHS which is a total chaos.

 

It's a Schande.

 

Then again this has forced them to develop a considerable common sense, which admittedly, we in Europe sometimes miss when we construct our amazing intellectual edifices. The British have their strengths as well, they're excellent mechanics.

6 minutes ago, transam said:

worrying about your increased contribution to the EU cash shortfall......Yes, the EU is arguing about it at the mo..........????

Not at all. See, we will make almost the exact same amount by taxing your British products with tariffs.

 

Besides, think of the EU like the United States, we have such a huge population that a simple increase in tax of 1 Euro could solve billions of trade deficit in the blink of an eye. Sadly the UK does not have that option.

13 minutes ago, david555 said:

"Haven't you got a hobby.......?    ????"

 

we adopted Brexit as hobby for the mean time …(as it wont last long once It set's thru)

Samuel Johnson stated that 'when man is tired of Brexit, he is tired of life', my only concern is that the Brexit threads are now being overtaken with this Coronavirus nonsense, but brings up the question of just how many of us are insisting that we only eat food now that has been chlorinated, I know I am.????

Off topic where are you from guessing games have been removed. This is an anonymous forum you will not poke and pry into a members nationality or where he comes from.

 

This is off topic trolling and you will be warned and you will be getting a posting holiday if you continue.

 

 

Of course Boris will sell them out. As soon as the EUSSR offer him a few crumbs he will betray them in a heartbeat.

Just like the UK betrayed the EU.

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

That's the trouble with you besides the S issue you, is that appear to assume far to much.

 

I thought your post was relatively clear, but please clear up my misunderstanding. How can something be  both 'plain humour' and a scathing satire of the gammons of day? I guess this is the genius of the writing which Evadgib mentioned - how it can appeal to many on all levels. I guess for many, they didn't realise that the joke was on them...

 

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

No mention of the swingers. I guess you continually to selective choose what you reply too.

I honestly have no knowledge of the private lives of the Krankies, nor am I sure why it is important to you that I comment on it, but whatever floats your boat. 

4 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 I guess for many, they didn't realise that the joke was on them...

 

Indeed so. They don't get it at all.

 

The creator of Alf Garnett made clear the show was meant to satirise right wing racism.

 

Whoooooosh

 

It went over the heads of that demographic, who actually watched the series admiring Alf Garnett's very racism that was meant to be ridiculed.

 

You gotta hand it to the British though, their TV is a notch above the rest. Well, Eastenders excepted obviously. And Coronation street.

5 hours ago, transam said:

Haven't you got a hobby.......?    ????

 

Oh, before you go, what country are you from....?

You have no answer to what he writes.

15 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Indeed so. They don't get it at all.

 

The creator of Alf Garnett made clear the show was meant to satirise right wing racism.

 

Whoooooosh

 

It went over the heads of that demographic, who actually watched the series admiring Alf Garnett's very racism that was meant to be ridiculed.

 

You gotta hand it to the British though, their TV is a notch above the rest. Well, Eastenders excepted obviously. And Coronation street.

 

stacks of very good actors on the island,

and show/series/film writers

but am not too keen on the BBC flat show stuff

 

1 hour ago, david555 said:

BTW do they (U.K.) have already written laws , as I came to the surprising conclusion they have no written constitution ……??

big heaps of written legislation in UK,

paper mills in Finland make quite a few quid on that

3 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

stacks of very good actors on the island,

and show/series/film writers

but am not too keen on the BBC flat show stuff

 

Fantastic actors, but also their documentary series can be excellent.

 

BBC documentaries are one of the few successful British exports the world actually wants to buy.

 

They have some excellent documentaries.

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

Of course, that's why there have been no cases where British courts have had to determine 'if' and to what extent EU law supercedes UK law. The judge just picked up the big book of EU laws and declared 'I've no choice but to defer to EU law'.

 

Must be wonderful to have the inside track the way you do.

 

 

The courts and judges are not even involved in these "cases". You do come out with some slop.  

2 hours ago, transam said:

That reads like you're struggling for something to post..........

 

It's not Grouse, Transam. I am afraid that we probably lost him well over a year ago.

1 hour ago, david555 said:

BTW do they (U.K.) have already written laws , as I came to the surprising conclusion they have no written constitution ……??

OMG. What a dunce.

13 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

big heaps of written legislation in UK,

paper mills in Finland make quite a few quid on that

"big heaps of written legislation"

 

left and right lying somewhere  …. but not a 1 piece concept if I understood it correct at the time of the  prorogation discussion 

9 hours ago, sandyf said:

You would have to be more specific on your reference to "flout".

If you are referring to the migrants from Turkey then you do not know if international law is being broken. Refugees can only cross one border, not transit. Only Turkish refugees would be allowed to cross into Greece so do you have proof that Turkish refugees are being refused access under international law, if not you should refrain from unjustified accusations.

Here you go:

 

Eve Geddie, director of Amnesty International’s European Institutions, said: “The reckless measures being taken by the Greek authorities are a blatant breach of EU and international law and will put lives at risk. People seeking asylum are once again being used as bargaining chips in a callous political game.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/greece-violating-eu-international-law-amnesty/1753460

 

Just now, CG1 Blue said:

Here you go:

 

Eve Geddie, director of Amnesty International’s European Institutions, said: “The reckless measures being taken by the Greek authorities are a blatant breach of EU and international law and will put lives at risk. People seeking asylum are once again being used as bargaining chips in a callous political game.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/greece-violating-eu-international-law-amnesty/1753460

 

We all know that those refugee status is very high used for economic reasons , however not all ….,this is just counting for ALL western country's …… many use it as a ready made future whiteout any sacrifices made by our ancestors who fought  strikes and suffered for it , no exception for remainers or brexiteers , U.K or E.U. or even USA   we can not be the welfare for the whole world .

Besides that U.N. refugee expired notice , also point clear that those refugees must seek acyl in the first safe country from the one they running away from …… something most don't do  as the West is more shining and free money delivering ...

11 minutes ago, nauseus said:

OMG. What a dunce.

That was very clear stated in the prorogation discussion , I don't suck this out of my thum , not meaing you don't have written laws , but not a real complete constitution … or else your journalists are telling loonies that time …. and not Guardian ones but Sky ones 

12 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Here you go:

 

Eve Geddie, director of Amnesty International’s European Institutions, said: “The reckless measures being taken by the Greek authorities are a blatant breach of EU and international law and will put lives at risk. People seeking asylum are once again being used as bargaining chips in a callous political game.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/greece-violating-eu-international-law-amnesty/1753460

 

Dear Eve Geddie, please can you tell us all exactly how many "refugees' you have personally taken in, housed and fed, got a job for over the last 20 years?

32 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The courts and judges are not even involved in these "cases". You do come out with some slop.  

Yes, Factortame never happened.

R v Secretary of State for Transport, ex p Factortame Ltd,

Lord Bridge held that Parliament had voluntarily accepted this limitation of its sovereignty, being fully aware that, even if the limitation of sovereignty was not inherent in the Treaty of Rome, it had been well established by jurisprudence before Parliament passed the European Communities Act 1972.

If the supremacy within the European Community of Community Law over the national law of member states was not always inherent in the EEC Treaty it was certainly well established in the jurisprudence of the Court of Justice long before the United Kingdom joined the Community. Thus, whatever limitation of its sovereignty Parliament accepted when it enacted the European Communities Act 1972 was entirely voluntary.

Funny you didn't see Lord Bridge screaming about how the British were deceived into accepting EU law. Quite the opposite.

 

Interestingly the Supreme Court of England and Wales disagreed:

in the 2014 case of R (HS2 Action Alliance Ltd) v Secretary of State for Transport, the UK Supreme Court said:

 

It is, putting the point at its lowest, certainly arguable (and it is for United Kingdom law and courts to determine) that there may be fundamental principles, whether contained in other constitutional instruments or recognised at common law, of which Parliament when it enacted the European Communities Act 1972 did not either contemplate or authorise the abrogation.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primacy_of_European_Union_law#United_Kingdom

 

Yeah, no courts and judges in the UK adjudicated on the primacy of EU law.

 

I wonder what world you live in sometimes.

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

A level of trade with the EU at close to negative 100B balance. Superb!

Why does the UK have this trade deficit?

 

Could it be that the UK not producing so much competitive products, although the UK has had barrier-free access to the world's largest single market for over 40 years?

 

Could it be that the UK prefer to let others do the work? So far it has worked well.

So far, that was paid for with the sale of table silver. Who owns the car factories, mass transit systems, energy systems, airports, food production factories, fishing rights, the best places to live in London, hotel chains?

Not too long ago, the UK also sold all tons of its gold holdings.

 

And the Uk clearly lives above its means.

The UK has accumulated a mountain of debt of over 2 trillion. 

There has never been an serious

attempt to achieve a balanced state budget.

 

But there are also very few super rich people in the UK. After Brexit, they can hide their money even better from the tax authorities, for whom the EU measures to dry out tax havens are a thorn in the side. And there is not much left for the mass of the UK population (Gini coefficient).

 

The UK then buys (import) cheaply wherever it can. Mainly consumer products: food, clothing, cars, furniture, electronics. Because the UK cannot manufacture these products itself cheaper.

 

And there we are again with that "negative 100B balance".

 

But the UK is still lucky because it can print its own money. 

But not unlimited either.

The exchange rate hinge reflects this. And how the British pound is evolving in the course of currency parities is obvious, namely downward. Money is nothing more than a securitized claim on the gross national product.

 

It's hard for me to even name a product that says Made in the UK.

 

But the UK lives 80% from its financial services. All over Europe a lot of pensions, insurance and life insurance savings plans are managed, covered and reinsured

by UK companies. 

 

And many of the UK wealth fund managers are quite good, when you look at the savings books in the zero interest phase, their returns.

 

But whoever believes that the EU will allow a third country to control and manage its EU citizens' old-age pensions, unchecked and wirhout EU legal security, is a dreamer. Then all EU citizens could transfer their pension funds to Turkey right away.

 

That is the current UK negotiating situation. 

So where is the UK lever now for better welfare for all of its population?

And please save on stupid one-liners.

 

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Here you go:

 

Eve Geddie, director of Amnesty International’s European Institutions, said: “The reckless measures being taken by the Greek authorities are a blatant breach of EU and international law and will put lives at risk. People seeking asylum are once again being used as bargaining chips in a callous political game.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/greece-violating-eu-international-law-amnesty/1753460

 

Except it's not. How was anything the Greeks did a breach of EU law?

28 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

That is the current UK negotiating situation. 

So where is the UK lever now for better welfare for all of its population?

 

Didn't you hear, the UK holds all the cards? They apparently have a second secret empire, based in the City of London, which is not mostly foreign International banks and service providers at all, but a secret control centre of the UK government.

 

They will beat the EU into submission with never-ending financial crises by misunderstanding the 100 year successful German securitisation model, aka the Pfandbrief.

 

Finally, they will blockade the EU with their fishing fleet. No more herring for us. We'lll be forced to give the UK what they want...

 

28 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Except it's not. How was anything the Greeks did a breach of EU law?

The same moment the Greek close border  Turkey send 1000's of police to the border with Greek also to avoid those deceived refugees by Erdogan to flow back inside Turkey....so what is the difference , besides remember that U.K. mantra  "taking control of our borders and laws" ….echoing...! . So this is something in practice of it 

6 minutes ago, david555 said:

The same moment the Greek close border  Turkey send 1000's of police to the border with Greek also to avoid those deceived refugees by Erdogan to flow back inside Turkey....so what is the difference , besides remember that U.K. mantra  "taking control of our borders and laws" ….echoing , so this something in practice of it 

Maybe the Greeks should have taken the tough British stance on border control which the British now use to control Polish and Romanian immigration..."Okay, you can come in, you can come in without any visa or whatever...but you better only stay for 6 months"....

 

That's how the Brexiters took control of borders and hope to curtail Polish and Romanian immigration.

2 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Maybe the Greeks should have taken the tough British stance on border control which the British now use to control Polish and Romanian immigration..."Okay, you can come in, you can come in without any visa or whatever...but you better only stay for 6 months"....

 

That's how the Brexiters took control of borders and hope to curtail Polish and Romanian immigration.

Now those Polish and even Romanians could / would maybe go back ….., but sure those Syrians Afghanis , Ethiopians& and similar not …. they are in their dream paradise to stay and even bring in their family's …. that is how it goes...