Britain tells the EU: we shall not sell out our fishermen

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Logosone said:

Maybe the UK does view fish and chips as a luxury meal, would not really surprise me given the food I had to eat in the UK.

 

However, you may want to consider that your UK fish and chips is a EUROPEAN luxury, since 99% of frozen chips in the UK come from the EU and two thirds of fish consumed in Britain, including Haddock and cod, are imported from the EU.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/aug/13/how-a-no-deal-brexit-threatens-your-weekly-food-shop

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/apr/24/hard-brexit-would-mean-more-and-cheaper-british-fish-but-theres-a-catch

 

You're quite right that UK fishermen are restricted by quota on the amount of fish they can catch. Of course the quotas exist for good reason, to protect the very fish stocks that are needed.

 

However, the UK could justifiably argue the quota numbers. I think it will do so.

 

There is of course no way in hell the UK will restrict its waters to UK fishermen only, that's the typical childish Brexiter fantasies. Not just because the UK fish industry is pushing the UK government to secure tariff free access to EU markets, and to get access the UK will have to offer fishing rights. But also because the British themselves fish in EU members' waters and those fishing grounds are vital to British fishermen. Anyone who thinks the British only fish in British waters is not fully informed.

 

Even reducing Herring by 50% and campaigning for its benefits will have no effect, because you see the British don't like fish. They eat very little of it. The chances of them discovering the delights of a Rollmops are close to nil since British culinary skills do not suffice to make fish appetizing to the British. Very strange given that the UK was a seafaring nation, that they dislike fish so.

Frozen chips do not qualify for quality traditional fish and chips. You've been watching too much Heston. 

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Logosone said:

Democracy was intended as a way for stakeholders, people who owned property to decide equally.

 

What happened with Brexit was rather the opposite, the have-nots and benefit recipients, fearful of a smaller welfare trough due to Polish and Romanian migrants getting a share, voting against the foreigners.

 

Figures show that the well-to-do, including most of the City and almost all London boroughs, actually voted to remain. However, they were outnumbered by the unemployed, old pensioners and the underclass, who voted for Brexit.

 

I'm not sure that's what democracy intended. I think the Greeks intended equality for the equal, not for the unequal.

 

Brexit seems more of a perversion of democracy, than an example of it.

But your example of Greek democracy seems to be the most perverted version I've ever hard of.  

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Logosone said:

 

I'm afraid you'll find that the UK is a net importer of both fresh and frozen potatoes. And the EU is the main source for imports (76%).

 

"The UK is typically a net importer of fresh/chilled potatoes. The EU is the main source for imports (76% average from 2013–2017), while Israel is the main non-EU source. Most UK fresh/chilled potato exports are sent to the EU (97% average 2013–2017)."

 

https://projectblue.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/Imported Publication Docs/PotatoBitesize190206_WEB.pdf

 

Maybe the UK fish and chip shops are scrupulous about only using British potatoes. Would seem a bit odd since most of the cod and haddock they use is imported from Europe. More likely the fish and chip shops would buy the cheapest potatoes, which often come from Europe.

 

Personally I find KFC and MacDonalds chips much better than those fat cut giant British chunks of chips. To soft inside. But then cooking was never a British strong point.

 

 

Nor yours, obviously.

[Logosone]

52 minutes ago, nauseus said:

But no losses to the EU of course. All balls.

I know, must hurt to find out the UK willv be paying the EU more being outside, than being inside. It's tragic really. For the UK.

 

"Potential losses under a “no-deal” Brexit from tariffs are estimated at between $11.4 billion and $16 billion of current exports – and the new study says NTMs would double those losses.

The study also projects that even if a “standard” free trade agreement were to be signed by the parties, the UK’s exports could still drop by nine per cent."

https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/02/1058131

 

UK net contribution as a member was only 9 billion£.

 

Maybe a slight miscalculation by Breixters there?

 

It's not 'balls', I invite you to provide a detailed study to refute the careful analysis above. 

 

Thank you.

Edited March 12, 2020 by Logosone

[Logosone]

37 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

From all of your post I just find this to be outrageous.

 

You will be saying Vietnamese catfish is as good as haddock and cod with Chips. You are taking this too far.????

I'm certainly with you on the no Pangasius rule. My own personal fish preferences, you will be pleased to know, include smoked Scottish salmon which I rate very highly indeed.

 

Thankfully in Thailand I found one producer that approximates that quality very closely.

 

I'm also a big fan of Dover sole, so I've done my bit to support your Fisheries industry.

 

Otherwise rather than haddock or cod I would go with Swordfish, Turbot, Halibut (white), Grouper, Salmon, Trout, Dorade, and also partial to Swedish pike.

 

But I'm not knocking your fish and chips, my grandparents when they visited the UK said it was the only thing they found eatable.

[david555]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Frozen chips do not qualify for quality traditional fish and chips. You've been watching too much Heston. 

"quality traditional fish and chips..."

 

....(sorry ...couldn't resist...????)

 

[izod10]

A fresh boxload of haddock on the way personally to Donald. By his statement"UK only flights allowed"can see personally what his intentions are  ..a US/UK trade agreement,and no bad thing.

 

   Of course eu fishing in UK waters is finishing,no point in continuing any associating with eu after voting for leaving,just wish it could be hurried

 

 Italy down and out and stating the eu is no help,Greece likewise,UK could not wish as for a better position in light of current developments,,no extra funding to deal with unfolding disaster

 

UK will boom with extra trade from eu once US trade deal established

 Good one Boris...Excellent

[izod10]

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

But I'm not knocking your fish and chips, my grandparents when they visited the UK said it was the only thing they found eatable.

That,and potatoes  lol

[talahtnut]

3 hours ago, Logosone said:

I know, must hurt to find out the UK willv be paying the EU more being outside, than being inside. It's tragic really. For the UK.

 

"Potential losses under a “no-deal” Brexit from tariffs are estimated at between $11.4 billion and $16 billion of current exports – and the new study says NTMs would double those losses.

The study also projects that even if a “standard” free trade agreement were to be signed by the parties, the UK’s exports could still drop by nine per cent."

https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/02/1058131

 

UK net contribution as a member was only 9 billion£.

 

Maybe a slight miscalculation by Breixters there?

 

It's not 'balls', I invite you to provide a detailed study to refute the careful analysis above. 

 

Thank you.

Your points would be valid if they were not based

on a worthless 'study' which uses 'could be' and 'estimated', and published by the UN, which is regarded

as a useless organization, widely criticized for its

ideological adherence, bias, and inability to solve world

problems. 

The EU is, after decades of championing the dissolution of barriers and borders, is battening down the hatches.

Time for another study update perhaps? Balls indeed.

 

[talahtnut]

3 hours ago, Logosone said:

I'm certainly with you on the no Pangasius rule. My own personal fish preferences, you will be pleased to know, include smoked Scottish salmon which I rate very highly indeed.

 

Thankfully in Thailand I found one producer that approximates that quality very closely.

 

I'm also a big fan of Dover sole, so I've done my bit to support your Fisheries industry.

 

Otherwise rather than haddock or cod I would go with Swordfish, Turbot, Halibut (white), Grouper, Salmon, Trout, Dorade, and also partial to Swedish pike.

 

But I'm not knocking your fish and chips, my grandparents when they visited the UK said it was the only thing they found eatable.

Try some more Tripe.

[Logosone]

Just now, talahtnut said:

Your points would be valid if they were not based

on a worthless 'study' which uses 'could be' and 'estimated', and published by the UN, which is regarded

as a useless organization, widely criticized for its

ideological adherence, bias, and inability to solve world

problems. 

The EU is, after decades of championing the dissolution of barriers and borders, is battening down the hatches.

Time for another study update perhaps? Balls indeed.

 

The study was done by a Geneva based agency. Of course we all know how careless and lacking in thoroughness the Swiss are.

 

It will be a comfort for you to know that the British Confederation of Industry also predicts a very similar figure.

 

"The Confederation of British Industry (CBI) estimates that with no deal, 90% of the UK’s goods exports to the EU by value would face tariffs. The average tariff on UK exports to the bloc would be 4.3 percent."

 

https://www.euronews.com/2018/12/19/how-would-uk-eu-trade-be-affected-by-a-no-deal-brexit

 

If you take 90% of the value of UK exports to the EU and take a 4.3 percent figure you also get 11 billion £.

 

So did the Confederation of British Industry also do a 'useless' analysis and is it also a 'useless' organization?

 

Face it, you only paid 9 billion£ net as a member. You'll be paying more outside the EU than as a member.

[Rookiescot]

6 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

Your points would be valid if they were not based

on a worthless 'study' which uses 'could be' and 'estimated', and published by the UN, which is regarded

as a useless organization, widely criticized for its

ideological adherence, bias, and inability to solve world

problems. 

The EU is, after decades of championing the dissolution of barriers and borders, is battening down the hatches.

Time for another study update perhaps? Balls indeed.

 

So link us all a study which shows the UK will be better off.

Now it has to be one with some gravitas not just something you and your mates at spoonies came up with.

[Logosone]

Yes, ideally from a "useful organization" like the Tory Party...

 

 

[izod10]

Just now, Logosone said:

The study was done by a Geneva based agency. Of course we all know how careless and lacking in thoroughness the Swiss are.

 

It will be a comfort for you to know that the British Confederation of Industry also predicts a very similar figure.

 

"The Confederation of British Industry (CBI) estimates that with no deal, 90% of the UK’s goods exports to the EU by value would face tariffs. The average tariff on UK exports to the bloc would be 4.3 percent."

 

https://www.euronews.com/2018/12/19/how-would-uk-eu-trade-be-affected-by-a-no-deal-brexit

 

If you take 90% of the value of UK exports to the EU and take a 4.3 percent figure you also get 11 billion £.

 

So did the Confederation of British Industry also do a 'useless' analysis and is it also a 'useless' organization?

 

Face it, you only paid 9 billion£ net as a member. You'll be paying more outside the EU than as a member.

Following your biased and totally rubbished blaze of anti UK rhetoric,(fishing too) little wonder your copy and paste blitz is centred from  .....eire. Blinded by the light maybe,but face it eire especially will be under a threat,not unimaginable too,on a limb,   eu ....unable to help,blocked road haulage (fish too)  no way out,just potato stew,chips,crisps,mashed and boiled spuds

  Oops the eu jackasses forming,same-same story for years,nothing happened except UKs departure from eu  ...Cheers

[talahtnut]

3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

So link us all a study which shows the UK will be better off.

Now it has to be one with some gravitas not just something you and your mates at spoonies came up with.

If you need to see how clever your wonderful

EU really is, then track the ECB, not your spoons.

 

[Logosone]

Another useless organisation? Like the UN?

 

What don't you like about the ECB?

[Loiner]

9 hours ago, Logosone said:

I know, must hurt to find out the UK willv be paying the EU more being outside, than being inside. It's tragic really. For the UK.

 

"Potential losses under a “no-deal” Brexit from tariffs are estimated at between $11.4 billion and $16 billion of current exports – and the new study says NTMs would double those losses.

The study also projects that even if a “standard” free trade agreement were to be signed by the parties, the UK’s exports could still drop by nine per cent."

https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/02/1058131

 

UK net contribution as a member was only 9 billion£.

 

Maybe a slight miscalculation by Breixters there?

 

It's not 'balls', I invite you to provide a detailed study to refute the careful analysis above. 

 

Thank you.

I perused some of it.

Looked at length of the post.

Checked the name at the top.

Made my careful analysis, based on that and previous posts.

Conclusion: Yep, confirmed all balls.

[Rookiescot]

8 hours ago, talahtnut said:

If you need to see how clever your wonderful

EU really is, then track the ECB, not your spoons.

 

No link then?

Disappointing but predictable. 

[transam]

22 hours ago, david555 said:

 

"Because wanting a level playing field...."

 

Boris don't want a plain level field …. so ….!

Boris is not posting here, unless you know different...????

[sandyf]

23 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Incorrect There nothing stopping the UK fishermen selling their products to the UK, and if there a particular fish that the UK not keen on , nothing stopping someone buying them freezing them and selling them to non eu countries

Maybe they haven't heard of freezers in the EU

In true brexiteer form you are making optimistic assumptions, there is nothing to say that any other country will want to buy from the UK fish industry.

It may come as a surprise to you, but you cannot sell unless there is a buyer. In a wave of optimism the UK gave up established buyers in favour of potential buyers, risking the future of generations to come just to satisfy there own distorted conceptions.

[Logosone]

That's exactly what the Brexiters have done, they've risked a profitable, established market of buyers, that was willing to buy their fish in favour of total uncertainty.

 

The British fisheries now don't know if they will have free access to EU markets again or will have to pay tariffs.

 

Yes, they can try to find new buyers for their herring, but who? Who would buy herring from the UK instead of Europe?

[Logosone]

Europe is the leading consumer of herring fish in the world. Due to its occurrence in abundance in the North Atlantic, Baltic, and the North Sea, herring fish is increasingly caught and consumed in Europe, where it is considered a staple fish for over 2000 years. Besides being inexpensive, herring is also a rich source of omega 3 fatty acids, and owing to its relative ease of production and longer shelf life achieved through pickling and marination, it has become a popular fish in both the rich and poor households of Europe. Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, and Germany are major countries in the herring fish market in Europe. In Sweden, the Baltic herring is fermented to create Surstomming, which is a delicacy in northern Swedish cuisine. Overall, the market is pretty much established in this region and will grow.

 

https://www.mordorintelligence.com/industry-reports/herring-marketw at a steady pace in the forecast period. 

 

Okay, that's out. Boris said so. Let's try and sell our herring in New Zealand instead!  We can freeze it!

 

T

[sandyf]

4 minutes ago, Logosone said:

That's exactly what the Brexiters have done, they've risked a profitable, established market of buyers, that was willing to buy their fish in favour of total uncertainty.

 

The British fisheries now don't know if they will have free access to EU markets again or will have to pay tariffs.

 

Yes, they can try to find new buyers for their herring, but who? Who would buy herring from the UK instead of Europe?

Offshore fishing is the smaller sector in the fishing industry, particularly in Scotland, what is more of a concern is the onshore products.

Bojo was going on about selling Scottish salmon to the Americans, a bit delusional with the largest salmon producer on the US border.

The onshore business is rural with little option for other employment, there is little doubt that the introduction of tariffs will decimate some communities, but in the brexit mantra nothing more than collateral damage.

[Logosone]

The geniuses in the UK treasury have already written off fishing. UK agriculture is next:

 

In leaked emails obtained by The Mail on Sunday, powerful Treasury adviser Tim Leunig argues that the food sector is not 'critically important' to the economy – and that agriculture and fishery production 'certainly isn't'. In his astonishing remarks – which comes as the UK prepares to enter crunch post-Brexit trade talks with Donald Trump – Dr Leunig implies that the UK could follow the example of Singapore 'which is rich without having its own agricultural sector'. Dr Leunig is a long-standing colleague of Boris Johnson's No 10 enforcer Dominic Cummings, and his intervention exemplifies the radical thinking within Boris Johnson's inner circle against bastions of the Establishment such as the Civil Service and the BBC.

 

Last night, a bullish Boris Johnson said: 'We have the best negotiators in the business.' And he vowed to 'drive a hard bargain' with President Donald Trump which would trade 'Scottish smoked salmon for Stetson hats'.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8060473/Britain-doesnt-need-farmers-reveal-leaked-emails-senior-government-official.html

 

Good to see sanity in charge.

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, Logosone said:

The geniuses in the UK treasury have already written off fishing. UK agriculture is next:

 

In leaked emails obtained by The Mail on Sunday, powerful Treasury adviser Tim Leunig argues that the food sector is not 'critically important' to the economy – and that agriculture and fishery production 'certainly isn't'. In his astonishing remarks – which comes as the UK prepares to enter crunch post-Brexit trade talks with Donald Trump – Dr Leunig implies that the UK could follow the example of Singapore 'which is rich without having its own agricultural sector'. Dr Leunig is a long-standing colleague of Boris Johnson's No 10 enforcer Dominic Cummings, and his intervention exemplifies the radical thinking within Boris Johnson's inner circle against bastions of the Establishment such as the Civil Service and the BBC.

 

Last night, a bullish Boris Johnson said: 'We have the best negotiators in the business.' And he vowed to 'drive a hard bargain' with President Donald Trump which would trade 'Scottish smoked salmon for Stetson hats'.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8060473/Britain-doesnt-need-farmers-reveal-leaked-emails-senior-government-official.html

 

Good to see sanity in charge.

That would be Scottish smoked salmon he is unlikely to have for much longer.

[Rookiescot]

12 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Offshore fishing is the smaller sector in the fishing industry, particularly in Scotland, what is more of a concern is the onshore products.

Bojo was going on about selling Scottish salmon to the Americans, a bit delusional with the largest salmon producer on the US border.

The onshore business is rural with little option for other employment, there is little doubt that the introduction of tariffs will decimate some communities, but in the brexit mantra nothing more than collateral damage.

Tis but a scratch.

Think of the blue passports and rejoice.

 

 

[nauseus]

21 hours ago, Logosone said:

I know, must hurt to find out the UK willv be paying the EU more being outside, than being inside. It's tragic really. For the UK.

 

"Potential losses under a “no-deal” Brexit from tariffs are estimated at between $11.4 billion and $16 billion of current exports – and the new study says NTMs would double those losses.

The study also projects that even if a “standard” free trade agreement were to be signed by the parties, the UK’s exports could still drop by nine per cent."

https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/02/1058131

 

UK net contribution as a member was only 9 billion£.

 

Maybe a slight miscalculation by Breixters there?

 

It's not 'balls', I invite you to provide a detailed study to refute the careful analysis above. 

 

Thank you.

This wonderful report is another skewed pro EU whitewash. Yes, very careful analysis, so that there is no detail of similar effects of Brexit on the EU.

[Logosone]

Why would there be an analysis of effects on the EU if they were analysing the effect on Britain?

 

You do realise it was done in Geneva by the Swiss? What possible reason could the Swiss have to 'whitewash' the EU? They have the same problem as Britain, Swiss securities aren't traded in the EU. Anymore. Tam Tam Taaaaaammmmmmm

 

[evadgib]

Meanwhile, back to fishing...

Quote

Minister Prentis heard more about the sector’s top priorities, and explored how the Scottish fishing and seafood industries can take every advantage of the opportunities available as we become an independent coastal state.

Fishing Minister visits Peterhead

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, Logosone said:

Why would there be an analysis of effects on the EU if they were analysing the effect on Britain?

 

You do realise it was done in Geneva by the Swiss? What possible reason could the Swiss have to 'whitewash' the EU? They have the same problem as Britain, Swiss securities aren't traded in the EU. Anymore. Tam Tam Taaaaaammmmmmm

 

Because they are pro EU and don't want to put out any of their guesswork to cover both sides of the story.

 

What's the point of a BS report like this is they don't compare and contrast? Where it was done has no bearing. It's under then UN banner. It's nothing to do with your Swiss, securities, cheese or chocolate.