scorecard Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 A question for the medical experts (no layman opinions please). My understanding is that the only way to get the virus is by the virus entering the body through the mouth, either as an air borne virus or on fingers, which have picked up the virus, And the virus can be picked up on the fingers (or other parts of the body) from touching furniture, doors, hand rails, vehicles etc., which have picked up the virus from the air breathed out by a carrier. Please correct me if this is wrong. If I am correct and the fingers can so easily pick it up, then be inserted in the mouth when using the fingers to eat etc., I wonder why haven't the authorities haven't pushed for everybody to be wearing disposable gloves and changing them regularly? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post geriatrickid Posted March 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) Delivery of Covid-19 follows that of other respiratory infections. A respiratory related virus typically attaches to host cells in the respiratory system (mouth, nose throat, trachea, bronchi, lungs) and GI tract. Note that eye can also serve as a gateway to respiratory infection. The technical response is as follows; Respiratory viruses are typically spread by inhalation of virus-containing aerosols expelled by infected individuals or by direct or indirect contact with virus-contaminated fomites on environmental surfaces . However, the epithelia of the human eye represent an additional mucosal surface which is similarly exposed to infectious aerosols and contaminated fomites. Viruses which are generally considered respiratory pathogens are nonetheless capable of causing ocular complications in infected individuals and establishing a respiratory infection following ocular exposure. edited to answer the question on gloves: Ever notice that food service workers wear those cheap plastic gloves? It gives a false sense of security and hand washing is still more effective. The food workers will still touch other objects they should not under the false assumption the gloves will protect the food. For example, watch the person at Subway. The person will be working on a sandwich and then while still wearing the gloves, touch the convection oven or additional ingredient bags and then go back to handling food. The sterile chain will have been violated multiple times rendering the use of the gloves useless. Edited March 4, 2020 by geriatrickid 4 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stouricks Posted March 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, geriatrickid said: Delivery of Covid-19 follows that of other respiratory infections. A respiratory related virus typically attaches to host cells in the respiratory system (mouth, nose throat, trachea, bronchi, lungs) and GI tract. Note that eye can also serve as a gateway to respiratory infection. The technical response is as follows; Respiratory viruses are typically spread by inhalation of virus-containing aerosols expelled by infected individuals or by direct or indirect contact with virus-contaminated fomites on environmental surfaces . However, the epithelia of the human eye represent an additional mucosal surface which is similarly exposed to infectious aerosols and contaminated fomites. Viruses which are generally considered respiratory pathogens are nonetheless capable of causing ocular complications in infected individuals and establishing a respiratory infection following ocular exposure. edited to answer the question on gloves: Ever notice that food service workers wear those cheap plastic gloves? It gives a false sense of security and hand washing is still more effective. The food workers will still touch other objects they should not under the false assumption the gloves will protect the food. For example, watch the person at Subway. The person will be working on a sandwich and then while still wearing the gloves, touch the convection oven or additional ingredient bags and then go back to handling food. The sterile chain will have been violated multiple times rendering the use of the gloves useless. And then take your money wearing the same gloves. 555 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlover Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 If you have access to the BBC iPlayer @scorecard you might like to view the documentary that they have just released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, stouricks said: And then take your money wearing the same gloves. 555 Thanks to all for the answers. All understood. So, in my layman view gloves initially sound good, but only if changed continuously and especially must be changed when other items, people, equipment, furniture etc., have been touched. And the reality is that (like in the subway example) the gloves won't be changed at every change in the processes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sheryl Posted March 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2020 Please remember that this is a very new virus (in humans) and it takes time to fully understand how any virus works. All knowledge at this point is still tentative and not necessarily complete. In addition to inhalation or contact with a mucus membrane, it is thought that oral-fecal transmission may be possible. It is known that infected people shed the virus in their feces. This may have been a factor i nthe continued transmisison aboard that quarantined ship (though also not sure yet). For oral-fecal too, handwashing is the best defense. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingstonkid Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) The basics for COVID 19 is that it is a strain of the Flu. If you treat it like you would flu season then you should have a good chance of beating it. Everyone has covered the main areas. The interesting fact is that the Surgeon general is telling people not to wear masks as they can actually make it worse because of your hand contact with the mask BTW if you see a thermometer be it digital or anal og then get it China is not shipping any as they are all out and factories are closed. Just talked to a supplier that said earliest they think they can ship is MAY Edited March 4, 2020 by kingstonkid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orang37 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) As Khun Sheryl pointed out, we are only at the initial stages of understanding the etiology, transmission mechanism, infectiousness, morbidity, of Covid-19 ... compared to what is known about SARS, MERS, etc. What's known about influenza, SARS, MERS, etc., does, of course, frame the current study of Covid-19, providing a source of hypotheses. I would assume that infection via sexual activity (all those orifices, and fluids) is happening. How the "blind watchmaker" of evolution failed to evolve organs of reproduction located far enough away from organs of excretion to avoid admixture of wet stuff ... well, maybe it was just design constraints. How wonderful if the primate reproductive gear could be, say, under the armpits ,,, with a complete rig under each armpit ! Perhaps coiled up in some ziplock pouch, spring-loaded when aroused so it can leap out when needed for action. cheers, ~o:37; Edited March 4, 2020 by orang37 teething pain after re-birth as insect 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKr Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) deleted duplicate post about handling money while preparing food with or without gloves. Edited March 4, 2020 by KKr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickb Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 The best advice I've heard so far is to try to not touch things with your hands, things like door knobs, elevator buttons, toilet flush handles, etc. Basically, anything that someone else has already touched frequently. If you try to use your arm or elbow more, rather than your hand, it will help reduce your risk. Also, the frequent use of hand sanitizer with alcohol content in excess of 60% is highly recommended, as are baby wipes. These two items are said to be much more helpful than masks. I read an interesting fact that was news to me: a human involuntarily touches his/her finger to his/her nose at least 90 times a day. So it shows how easily virus germs can be spread from hand/finger to the respiratory system. When coughing or sneezing, it is best to cover your mouth with a tissue, rather than your hand or arm and then the tissue should be properly disposed of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 shared bar snacks!!! ???? and "can you pass the Sauce please" ".. 'ang on a bit! ... need to change 'em again first!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ianezy0 Posted March 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2020 2 hours ago, kingstonkid said: BTW if you see a thermometer be it digital or anal og then get it China is not shipping any as they are all out and factories are closed. Just talked to a supplier that said earliest they think they can ship is MAY Why would I want to buy an anal thermometer? It would be the last thing on my shopping list. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proboscis Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 2 hours ago, kingstonkid said: The basics for COVID 19 is that it is a strain of the Flu. If you treat it like you would flu season then you should have a good chance of beating it. Everyone has covered the main areas. The interesting fact is that the Surgeon general is telling people not to wear masks as they can actually make it worse because of your hand contact with the mask BTW if you see a thermometer be it digital or anal og then get it China is not shipping any as they are all out and factories are closed. Just talked to a supplier that said earliest they think they can ship is MAY It is NOT a strain of flu (influenza). It is a corona virus. It is not possible to treat this Covid-19 as flu for several reasons: 1. Humans have been living with the flu for a long time and that stops it from being a huge killer. Some immunity among humans affects its ability to transmit and the symptoms are less severe. 2. There are flu vaccines but there are no vaccines for corona virus in humans. So while the vulnerable can be vaccinated against flu, they cannot against corona virus. The flu kills about 450,000 worldwide per annum - if the corona virus gets to infect 60% of individuals in a year (which is entirely possible), it would kill 4 to 5 million. And that is assuming it does not mutate. And it does not affect the really poor parts of Africa. 3. The reason the health authorities are asking people not to wear masks is that it is rather weak, possibly ineffectual, as an all-day prophylactic and if everyone starts wearing masks there will be none left for medical staff who need them for work 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsve Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 I am not sure for this virus, as noone knows yet. But if we talk about virus in general there are three ways. Through the airways by breathing it in (your finger in the mouth example fit in her as well), through the eyes, and then the third, that I have not hear anyone speaking of in this case, through open wounds. You might for the last case say, that this virus harm your lungs, but as you know our blood gets oxygenated there and it is just those parts that the blood come in contact with that this virus attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 2 hours ago, kingstonkid said: BTW if you see a thermometer be it digital or anal og then get it China is not shipping any as they are all out and factories are closed. Just talked to a supplier that said earliest they think they can ship is MAY just got this from Lazada https://www.lazada.co.th/products/microlife-fr1dl1-i268326627-s420109542.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsve Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, orang37 said: As Khun Sheryl pointed out, we are only at the initial stages of understanding the etiology, transmission mechanism, infectiousness, morbidity, of Covid-19 ... compared to what is known about SARS, MERS, etc. What's known about influenza, SARS, MERS, etc., does, of course, frame the current study of Covid-19, providing a source of hypotheses. I would assume that infection via sexual activity (all those orifices, and fluids) is happening. How the "blind watchmaker" of evolution failed to evolve organs of reproduction located far enough away from organs of excretion to avoid admixture of wet stuff ... well, maybe it was just design constraints. How wonderful if the primate reproductive gear could be, say, under the armpits ,,, with a complete rig under each armpit ! Perhaps coiled up in some ziplock pouch, spring-loaded when aroused so it can leap out when needed for action. "Normal" sexual ativity probebly not could give you the virus, if you shower directly after. A mouth kiss, yes, oral sex, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gargamon Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 2 hours ago, kingstonkid said: The basics for COVID 19 is that it is a strain of the Flu. Nope. All strains of the flu are from a variant of the influenza virus. Covid-19 is a coronavirus. Influenza viruses have been in humans a long time so there is some built up resistance. Coronaviruses are transferred from animals to humans and therefore have no resistance built up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 An unhelpful snide post has been removed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiSePuede419 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) My understanding is that the only way to get the virus is by the virus entering the body through the mouth Nope. Eyes, nose, mouth, vagina, anus and by sharing intravenous needles with an infected Coronavirus victim. Same as any other virus--rhinovirus, flu virus, HIV virus, SARS virus, MERS virus etc. Different than bacterial infections, such as strep throat, which can't be transferred to the vagina. Don't ask me how I know that. ???? Edited March 4, 2020 by SiSePuede419 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff65 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Proboscis said: It is NOT a strain of flu (influenza). It is a corona virus. The Corona virus are a family of hundreds of viruses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakmuay887 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 2 hours ago, ianezy0 said: Why would I want to buy an anal thermometer? It would be the last thing on my shopping list. Some people are into that kind of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevemercer Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 This short video might clarify some matters. VIDEO-2020-02-08-00-18-20.mp4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaRoadrunner Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 5 hours ago, orang37 said: How the "blind watchmaker" of evolution failed to evolve organs of reproduction located far enough away from organs of excretion to avoid admixture of wet stuff ... well, maybe it was just design constraints. Indeed it makes one wonder about God and his design for humans. With woman, he put the pleasure gardens between the water works and the sewage farm! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, DaRoadrunner said: Indeed it makes one wonder about God and his design for humans. With woman, he put the pleasure gardens between the water works and the sewage farm! There is a life lesson in that design, a slip of the tongue and your in the sh**, a lesson learned by many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraday Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 minute ago, CharlieH said: There is a life lesson in that design, a slip of the tongue and your in the sh**, a lesson learned by many. "But in the dark, he missed his mark, & sparks shot out her....." ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaRoadrunner Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 4 hours ago, NCC1701A said: just got this from Lazada https://www.lazada.co.th/products/microlife-fr1dl1-i268326627-s420109542.html A thermometer will not stop you getting the virus. Better to curtail your visits to various dens of iniquity...... You need to stay at home or wear a Hazmat suit when making love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 21 hours ago, kingstonkid said: The basics for COVID 19 is that it is a strain of the Flu. If you treat it like you would flu season then you should have a good chance of beating it. Everyone has covered the main areas. The interesting fact is that the Surgeon general is telling people not to wear masks as they can actually make it worse because of your hand contact with the mask BTW if you see a thermometer be it digital or anal og then get it China is not shipping any as they are all out and factories are closed. Just talked to a supplier that said earliest they think they can ship is MAY I see that you have already been corrected, but I will repeat, Covid 19 is not similar to a flu virus. if it was, we wouldn't be without treatments or vaccines. Covid 19 is a strain of SARS not seasonal flu. Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome. The proper name for the causative virus is SARS -CoV2. WHO selected Covid-19 for the disease name. We are dealing with a SARS like infection and the sooner people understand that, the better off we will all be. Responding to SARS infections requires a different response than that of seasonal flu. there is a reason why there are descriptive words such as Severe and Acute. Tomorrow there will be a press release detailing the mutations that have already occurred. There are variants of the virus, with one more lethal than the other. It will come as a surprise for some, but the experts had predicted this a month ago based upon the original SARS pandemic data. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPMMUU Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Just keep unwashed hands away from your face. That's the main method to prevent many respiratory illnesses. (including COVID19) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemises Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 3 hours ago, PPMMUU said: Just keep unwashed hands away from your face. That's the main method to prevent many respiratory illnesses. (including COVID19) Correct or better still wear a mask so that your (unwashed or otherwise) hands cannot make contact with your face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denim Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 On 3/4/2020 at 8:21 AM, scorecard said: A question for the medical experts (no layman opinions please ) Oh well , you came to exactly the right place. Pull up a comfortable chair because they are legion here. Before this thread is done we will be discussing the virtues of a keto diet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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