Harsh Truth

[jayboy]

Danny Finklestein in The Times states the harsh truth.

 

"Because, in truth, the choice we face now is no different to the one we faced at the beginning of the lockdown. The more we relax restrictions, the more people will mix. The more people mix, the more people will get it. And the more people get it, the more people will die.

The public can hardly be told: “You won’t die if you get it now because we’ve passed the peak so it’s too late for you to start dying”. Or “your mixing isn’t lethal now because we’ve already had a lockdown”. Viruses don’t work like that. It will carry on until it’s been stopped by a vaccine or ameliorated by treatment or until it has been caught by all the people who are going to catch it and killed all the people it’s going to kill."

[tribalfusion001]

The harsh truth is that millions of people will or have lost their jobs, the mortality rate is around 0.5%. The world has to go on and economies have to survive.

[jadee]

An even harsher truth is that all of the first paragraph applies to numerous other viruses - especially the common flu (influenza) and infections caused by viruses like pneumonia - people mix, people get sick and people die. That's life. Most people never paid much attention to it before. But now they do.

[chessman]

25 minutes ago, jayboy said:

Danny Finklestein in The Times states the harsh truth.

a slightly more optimist take here. https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56
 

found it clear, interesting and well written. as it’s a month old now, you can Check what he says with what really happened.

Edited April 22, 2020 by chessman

[Blumpie]

The real truth is that if you nip it in the bud and it evolves into a much easier to manage sickness the result will be much better.

The real truth is they are flattening the curve so that this may happen.

Real scientists around the world are working on this, and basically everyone is doing it except a few places like Sweden and they are not doing well at all.  

You can't make money when you're dead.  Take every day one day at a time and one day we might just be surprised.  IT's far too early to be saying that anything is not working yet.

[Antonymous]

19 minutes ago, jadee said:

An even harsher truth is that all of the first paragraph applies to numerous other viruses - especially the common flu (influenza) and infections caused by viruses like pneumonia - people mix, people get sick and people die. That's life. Most people never paid much attention to it before. But now they do.

 

That is so true.

 

Influenza and pneumonia were the #2 cause of death in Thailand and #3 cause of death in the whole world before WuFlu.

 

I posted this in another thread just now:

 

Causes of DEATH

 

WORLD

 

1. Coronary heart disease

2. Stroke

3. Influenza and pneumonia

4. LUNG DISEASES

5. LUNG CANCER

 

THAILAND

 

1. Coronary heart disease

2. Influenza and pneumonia

3. Stroke

4. Kidney Disease

5. Diabetes

 

Source: https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/world-rankings-total-deaths#WORLD RANKINGS

 

 

[mauGR1]

31 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

The harsh truth is that millions of people will or have lost their jobs, the mortality rate is around 0.5%. The world has to go on and economies have to survive.

A harsher truth is that the economy of most countries was already on the brink, and covid19 is the 'coup de grace'. And a very convenient excuse for the economic collapse which is coming in the next months.

The world will go on, but we can kiss goodbye to the freedom we used to enjoy.

[2 is 1]

The 100% truth is we all going to die! Some sooner some later! Buddhish way you can even born again human! When read some people comment here i really don't want be any of them in "next" life! Selfish man/woman who only see own belly buttom!

[Blumpie]

This is why we have governments around the world that are doing what the world health organization has studied and implemented in no uncertain terms.  

I understand there are people who believe this is nothing more than a flu spread by 5G technology, china, or whatever they think.  They should be soundly ignored.  

 

The other option is bodies in the streets.  Why aren't we seeing this?  Because nearly every country on earth is taking these social distancing measures.

 

Thailand has chose this course, so I guess the best way to deal with it is live with it or go back to your country where they are ignoring this advice.  Unless it's Sweden I guess the restrictions are even far more severe.  

 

People can live anywhere on earth, but they can't take flight from chronic complaining.  It always follows them.  

[Sujo]

Be nice if some just come out and admit that they think the economy is more important than life.

[Sharp]

It's an invisable war so we are told 'innocent people die in wars'.

 

When all this rinces out there are going to be so many questions of why we did this and that and then shown the massive mistakes made by our so called experts.

 

Let alone the money being made by the few in the background .

 

[OneeyedJohn]

Well you can't have one without the other.

[baansgr]

58 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

The harsh truth is that millions of people will or have lost their jobs, the mortality rate is around 0.5%. The world has to go on and economies have to survive.

2,500,000 infected, almost 200,000 deaths...how do you get 0.5%....thats 12,000

[tribalfusion001]

8 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Be nice if some just come out and admit that they think the economy is more important than life.

When 74% are overweight or obese according to UK statistics that need critical care with covid-19, then the economy is worth more. Go on a diet and do some exercise come to mind!

[tribalfusion001]

Just now, baansgr said:

2,500,000 infected, almost 200,000 deaths...how do you get 0.5%....thats 12,000

That is confirmed postive tests, millions more are not tested that have mild symptoms. If you do some research you will find this out.

[Blumpie]

1 minute ago, tribalfusion001 said:

That is confirmed postive tests, millions more are not tested that have mild symptoms. If you do some research you will find this out.

The amount of deaths to come out of that 2.5 million won't be known for at least another month.  Your figures are completely skewed.  

 

You are right though, this is what they call "the great cleanse" of older people.  It is evolution.  There have never been this many old people on earth ever.  It's inevitable - starvation, tiger attacks, or pandemic.  Something is going to clear people out.  Or we can fight it and not have bodies in the streets.  

 

 

[FarFlungFalang]

1 hour ago, tribalfusion001 said:

The harsh truth is that millions of people will or have lost their jobs, the mortality rate is around 0.5%. The world has to go on and economies have to survive.

The Who recommend keeping the lockdowns until a vaccines arrives:

 

"Lockdown measures have proved effective, and people must be ready for a new way of living to allow society to function while the coronavirus is being kept in check, said Takeshi Kasai, WHO Regional Director for the Western Pacific.

 

We must adapt our lives and health systems along with the epidemic, Kasai told an online press conference.

 

“At least until a vaccine, or a very effective treatment, is found, this process will need to become our new normal.”"

 

 

 

 

 

[Blumpie]

It isn't going to be like this until a vaccine arrives.  

All governments are talking about removing restrictions.

Germany in particular.  

 

[Relocated]

The undeniable truth is that COVID shut the global warming shows. That's one positive effect. 

[tribalfusion001]

2 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

The Who recommend keeping the lockdowns until a vaccines arrives:

 

"Lockdown measures have proved effective, and people must be ready for a new way of living to allow society to function while the coronavirus is being kept in check, said Takeshi Kasai, WHO Regional Director for the Western Pacific.

 

We must adapt our lives and health systems along with the epidemic, Kasai told an online press conference.

 

“At least until a vaccine, or a very effective treatment, is found, this process will need to become our new normal.”"

The WHO are corrupt and are not economists. Unless vaccines are compulsory, then people will choose to have a vaccine or not.

[sirineou]

23 minutes ago, chessman said:

a slightly more optimist take here. https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56
 

found it clear, interesting and well written. as it’s a month old now, you can Check what he says with what really happened.

Excellent article , Thank you for sharing. Buying time to prepare is the key.

I hope we learned an expensive yet valuable lesson and come up the other side stronger. 

Like it or not it is a global economy, we need to develop a global system for reacting to an inevitable recurrence. No need to be duplicating efforts, let's coordinate. 

There is a country in Europe who took the advice of the article. Greece in 2019 received 27.2 million international visitors, and an influx of refugees it was poised for a disaster.   and after Italy has the oldest population in Europe. but with in a week of the first case, they shut the whole country down, greek citizens strictly adhered to the lockdown,  feverishly the authorities worked to shore up their strangling from  their economic austerity, health system and develop an extensive online system overnight.  

The results , only 2,245 confirmed cases and 116 deaths as of April 21. by far The lowest per million incidents in Europe, 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-04-10/greece-handled-coronavirus-crisis-better-than-italy-and-spain

 

 

[BritManToo]

36 minutes ago, Antonymous said:

Influenza and pneumonia were the #2 cause of death in Thailand and #3 cause of death in the whole world before WuFlu.

Did you forget RTAs?

[Blumpie]

2 minutes ago, Retarded said:

The undeniable truth is that COVID shut the global warming shows. That's one positive effect. 

We can all get back to our roots / horse, buggy living in sod houses and going nowhere.  

Sounds nice.  

[Blumpie]

2 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Excellent article , Thank you for sharing. Buying time to prepare is the key.

I hope we learned an expensive yet valuable lesson and come up the other side stronger. 

Like it or not it is a global economy, we need to develop a global system for reacting to an inevitable recurrence. No need to be duplicating efforts, let's coordinate. 

There is a country in Europe who took the advice of the article. Greece in 2019 received 27.2 million international visitors, and an influx of refugees it was poised for a disaster.   and after Italy has the oldest population in Europe. but with in a week of the first case, they shut the whole country down, greek citizens strictly adhered to the lockdown,  feverishly the authorities worked to shore up their strangling from  their economic austerity, health system and develop an extensive online system overnight.  

The results , only 2,245 confirmed cases and 116 deaths as of April 21. by far The lowest per million incidents in Europe, 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-04-10/greece-handled-coronavirus-crisis-better-than-italy-an

EXACTLY.

The WHO corrupt 5G anti vaxing comments are tiring and yet comical at the same time.  It's always a "... but ... but... but.." out of those people.  

[mauGR1]

30 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Be nice if some just come out and admit that they think the economy is more important than life.

Go and tell that to the thousands in Thailand which are queuing for a plate of rice.

You must have had a sheltered life.

[chessman]

45 minutes ago, Antonymous said:

Influenza and pneumonia were the #2 cause of death in Thailand and #3 cause of death in the whole world before WuFlu.

 

I posted this in another thread just now:

 

Causes of DEATH

 

WORLD

 

1. Coronary heart disease

2. Stroke

3. Influenza and pneumonia

4. LUNG DISEASES

5. LUNG CANCER

 

THAILAND

 

1. Coronary heart disease

2. Influenza and pneumonia

3. Stroke

4. Kidney Disease

5. Diabetes

The difference is in the exponential growth of this virus. 3000 reported deaths on March 1st, now 60 times that number. Governments should be doing things to lower all causes of death but it is understandable that they take extreme measures to try to stop something growing at such a rate.

[chessman]

20 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

The Who recommend keeping the lockdowns until a vaccines arrives:

To be fair to the article, it is actually saying that lockdowns should be lifted gradually and in stages.

[Sujo]

54 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

When 74% are overweight or obese according to UK statistics that need critical care with covid-19, then the economy is worth more. Go on a diet and do some exercise come to mind!

Who should decide what life is worth more than another. Very sad when humans put money ahead of life.

[Sujo]

36 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Go and tell that to the thousands in Thailand which are queuing for a plate of rice.

You must have had a sheltered life.

There is plenty of money and rice to feed them. 

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

There is plenty of money and rice to feed them. 

That's quite optimistic, but i hope that you're right.