Boris says wear a mask.

[Logosone]

2 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Yes. 

Thai very successful control coronavirus. Europe not. 

Boris bring the new rule now. 

I will help. Sure. 

Thailand is very successful in testing less than most other countries.

 

If you don't test for Covid19 how can you know if a Thai died of Covid19? You can't.

 

Europe is more honest. Asia lying and pretending.

Edited May 12, 2020 by Logosone

[transam]

7 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Yes. 

Thai very successful control coronavirus. Europe not. 

Boris bring the new rule now. 

I will help. Sure. 

Your neighbours Laos, Cambodia, Burma and Vietnam have done better, how is that....?.....

[Eindhoven]

6 hours ago, Logosone said:

As we've seen Boris is getting very bad scientific advice.

 

A study of over 30 countries has shown clearly that wearing masks had no impact and the death rate actually went up after wearing masks was introduced

 

Still claiming this nonsense is true?

[Mattd]

29 minutes ago, Yinn said:

You misunderstand because you selfish.

wear the mask to stop YOU spread. Considerate for other person. 

 

When you coff, sneeze the virus come out YOUR mouth. It not come out YOUR eyes. 

This is correct, the issue is that 90% of people that wear a mask do so because they falsely believe that it will protect them.

 

The whole virus has, IMHO been handled very badly by all governments, healthy people should not be quarantined, the problem is now that the world in general has done the opposite to what should have been done, it is proving difficult to get back out of it again, lock downs, masks etc. do NOT eliminate the virus, all they do is slow down the inevitable, governments called it flattening the curve................... the end result is the same number of infections, same number of deaths, just takes a lot longer, whilst destroying the worlds economy, for which the aftermath will be paid for by generations to come, along with all of the related issues that come with it.

[Rimmer]

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[Bkk Brian]

30 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Thailand is very successful in testing less than most other countries.

 

If you don't test for Covid19 how can you know if a Thai died of Covid19? You can't.

 

Europe is more honest. Asia lying and pretending.

Asia lying and pretending? Can you be more specific or are you really accusing the whole of Asia of lying because that is certainly the insinuation, I can give a few very good examples of Asian countries doing well and even far better than Europe. If your going to make such accusations then you really need to be more country focused otherwise you could come across as being racist which I'm sure you're really not. While you're at it perhaps you can provide evidence of the lies, you know, just so you can back up your claim.

Edited May 12, 2020 by Bkk Brian

[Logosone]

18 minutes ago, transam said:

Your neighbours Laos, Cambodia, Burma and Vietnam have done better, how is that....?.....

Of course Nigeria is doing even better than Thailand. 

 

Also wearing facemasks? No, but also very little testing. 

 

What could it be...it's a real mystery....

 

 

[rumak]

I listen to Yinn !   But neighbor almost shot me when i walked in the house

 

 

[Mattd]

3 minutes ago, Logosone said:

What could it be...it's a real mystery....

This is very true and possibly will be the key to controlling the virus once (if) that mystery is unraveled.

One thing is for certain, the extent of the infection rates seen in Asia is generally lower than Europe or North America, this has nothing to do with the handling of the disease, social distancing, masks etc. as previously stated, these measures slow the infection rate down only.

The UK for instance is finding that different ethnic groups are more prone than others, Indian race being one of them, yet India itself is not suffering that badly.

[Eindhoven]

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

You should read the study again, since you appear not to understand this part:

 

"A quasi-experimental study design is an intervention study where the allocation to receive the intervention (or not) is not randomly made. At present, most European states have introduced a similar suite of interventions aimed at reducing contact between individuals to reduce transmission. However, the different types of intervention used and their timing vary from one country to another. No measure was imposed by all European countries and where measured were imposed, they were often imposed at different points in the development of the epidemics. This situation offers a unique opportunity to investigate the putative impacts of the various types of intervention, as each individual-country epidemic forms what is effectively a chronosequence of disease spread. The intervention strategies can then be compared as interrupted time series."

 

Again, you quote the qualification but omit the substance of the study, the actual finding on the data:

 

"The use of face coverings initially seems to have had a protective effect. However, after day 15 of the face covering advisories or requirements, the number of cases started to rise. Similar patterns were observed for the relationship between face coverings and deaths.

 

These results would suggest that the widespread use of face masks or coverings in the community do not provide any benefit. Indeed, there is even a suggestion that they may actually increase risk"

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.01.20088260v1.full.pdf

 

So again the data was so clear, BOTH cases and deaths rose after masks were introduced as measures, that the authors even seriously questioned if face masks actually increase the risk of transmission in order to explain the data.

 

Selective quoting once again from you.

 

Quote

The use of face coverings initially seems to have had a protective effect. However, after day 15 of the face covering advisories or requirements, the number of cases started to rise. Similar patterns were observed for the relationship between face coverings and deaths. Negative associations were estimated for mass gatherings, initial business closure and the closure of educational facilities; while a non-significant effect was estimated for non-essential business closure. There was a positive association with the usage of face coverings (masks), while the stay-home measures showed an inverted U quadratic effect with an initial rise of cases up to day 20 of the intervention followed by a decrease in cases. These results would suggest that the widespread use of face masks or coverings in the community do not provide any benefit. Indeed, there is even a suggestion that they may actually increase risk, but as stated previously, we feel that the data on face coverings are too preliminary to inform public policy. We have more confidence that results for stay at home orders suggest that such orders may not be required to ensure outbreak control.

 

Apart from that, this is not a study of people who actually wore face masks, but only of places that actually suggested the wearing of face masks. Whether anyone actually wore them or wore them properly is not actually indicated.

You know this to be true, yet it hasn't stopped you from from trying to peddle your false narrative at every given opportunity.

Edited May 12, 2020 by Eindhoven

[brokenbone]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

As they always give you antibiotics after surgery, it probably wouldn't matter.

I'd be OK with it, assuming I'd be OK with a Thai doctor cutting me open ..... which I'm not.

Remember, every Thai medical student that had the money to pay the course fees ....... passed. 

there is reputation also, i would take sheryls word for it,

i take for granted she has data to back up her recommendations

[Logosone]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Asia lying and pretending? Can you be more specific or are you really accusing the whole of Asia of lying because that is certainly the insinuation, I can give a few very good examples of Asian countries doing well and even far better than Europe. If your going to make such accusations then you really need to be more country focused otherwise you could come across as being racist which I'm sure your really not. While your at it perhaps you can provide evidence of the lies, you know, just so you can back up your claim.

Even Asian newspapers are commenting on the figures the rest of the worlds laughs about.

 

Take Japan for example, a country again blessed with, on the face of it, marvellous figures for cases and deaths, given the size of its population. But once you look beneath the pretty facade you quickly see the reason for this. And here's a hint, it's not face masks:

 

"What it shows is Japan is only testing people who are already quite sick. In fact, the official guidelines for doctors say they should only recommend a test if the patient has pneumonia."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52466834

 

Japan has quite consciously pursued a policy of minimal testing, only in the most dire circumstances, when a patient already has pneumonia are they supposed to be tested. So hardly any wonder, if little testing is carried out that the numbers look so great.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52466834

 

Chinese study published in the Lancet says China's figures were probably four times at large as the figures provided:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/23/china-coronavirus-cases-might-have-been-four-times-official-figure-says-study

 

Indonesia, again ludicrous figures given the size of the population:

 

According to media reports, a study by the Centre for Mathematical Modelling of Infectious Diseases estimates that as few as two percent of Indonesia’s COVID-19 cases have been reported. This means that the true number could be as high as over 30,000 infections. However, many speculate that the numbers could be at more than half a million in a country of 273 million.

 

Myanmar and Laos:

 

For ASEAN member states Myanmar and Lao PDR, where the first COVID-19 cases there were reported just last week, the low numbers of reported cases have invited scepticism by observers from around the world. 

 

https://theaseanpost.com/article/low-testing-means-low-covid-19-cases

 

And then there's Thailand:

 

 

 

[DirtyHarry55]

Its depends on the quality of face mask some face masks offer very little to no protection when sneezing.
 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by DirtyHarry55

[drbeach]

Except that masks are dangerous especially for children and should never be worn for exercising. https://www.thestar.com.my/opinion/columnists/colours-of-china/2020/05/11/best-not-to-wear-mask-during-pe

[Logosone]

10 minutes ago, Eindhoven said:

Apart from that, this is not a study of people who actually wore face masks, but only of places that actually suggested the wearing of face masks.

You obviously can't read.

 

If you get a basic thing like that wrong it's not worth looking at your posts.

 

Since you're not aware that some countries in the study had mandatory face mask requirements it's not worth us corresponding on this study, since it appears you can not read properly. Let alone interpret an important study like this.

Edited May 12, 2020 by Logosone

[Canuck1966]

1 hour ago, Yinn said:

You misunderstand because you selfish.

wear the mask to stop YOU spread. Considerate for other person. 

 

When you coff, sneeze the virus come out YOUR mouth. It not come out YOUR eyes. 

What are you talking about.

You obviously don't understand

Everybody should be made to wear eye wear if they are made to wear masks.

 

[Phil McCaverty]

1 minute ago, Canuck1966 said:

What are you talking about.

You obviously don't understand

Everybody should be made to wear eye wear if they are made to wear masks.

 

Its 100% true. Masks should be worn to prevent you from infecting others not to prevent others infecting you.

[Logosone]

1 minute ago, Phil McCaverty said:

Its 100% true. Masks should be worn to prevent you from infecting others not to prevent others infecting you.

No they shouldn't, because the data shows that wearing a face mask went along with increased case numbers and increased death figures.

 

So masks confer no benefit, either way.

 

 

[liddelljohn]

No masks for sale anywhere in UK  at any price ,, they are advertised  but always out of stock

 

[Phil McCaverty]

14 minutes ago, Logosone said:

No they shouldn't, because the data shows that wearing a face mask went along with increased case numbers and increased death figures.

 

So masks confer no benefit, either way.

 

 

Who asked you and your dodgy data? Give it a rest, no one listens to you.

[Bkk Brian]

28 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Even Asian newspapers are commenting on the figures the rest of the worlds laughs about.

 

Take Japan for example, a country again blessed with, on the face of it, marvellous figures for cases and deaths, given the size of its population. But once you look beneath the pretty facade you quickly see the reason for this. And here's a hint, it's not face masks:

 

"What it shows is Japan is only testing people who are already quite sick. In fact, the official guidelines for doctors say they should only recommend a test if the patient has pneumonia."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52466834

 

Japan has quite consciously pursued a policy of minimal testing, only in the most dire circumstances, when a patient already has pneumonia are they supposed to be tested. So hardly any wonder, if little testing is carried out that the numbers look so great.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52466834

 

Chinese study published in the Lancet says China's figures were probably four times at large as the figures provided:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/23/china-coronavirus-cases-might-have-been-four-times-official-figure-says-study

 

Indonesia, again ludicrous figures given the size of the population:

 

According to media reports, a study by the Centre for Mathematical Modelling of Infectious Diseases estimates that as few as two percent of Indonesia’s COVID-19 cases have been reported. This means that the true number could be as high as over 30,000 infections. However, many speculate that the numbers could be at more than half a million in a country of 273 million.

 

Myanmar and Laos:

 

For ASEAN member states Myanmar and Lao PDR, where the first COVID-19 cases there were reported just last week, the low numbers of reported cases have invited scepticism by observers from around the world. 

 

https://theaseanpost.com/article/low-testing-means-low-covid-19-cases

 

And then there's Thailand:

 

I questioned why you claimed that "Asia is lying and pretending" You do realize there are over 48 countries in Asia.

 

Bar China which nobody believes, you come back with the lack of testing in Myanmar, Laos, Japan and Thailand which I agree leaves a lot to be desired but does not back up your claim they are lying. 

 

South Korea, Singapore for example you said Asia, you mean they are lying to? 

 

Again you're making claims with no evidence, a pattern from you.

[Kaopad999]

26 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

What are you talking about.

You obviously don't understand

Everybody should be made to wear eye wear if they are made to wear masks.

 

WHAT?!  ????
What does eye wear have to do with people that are potentially carrying the virus? 
Please explain how wearing eye wear would actually prevent someone from spreading a virus? 

 

[bwpage3]

8 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

Masks work. Trump won't wear one they smudge his makeup and bronzing cream.

According to the World Health Organization, they don't work.

[Phil McCaverty]

2 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

According to the World Health Organization, they don't work.

Neither does the WHO. Their performance has been abysmal throughout.

[CGW]

1 minute ago, Phil McCaverty said:

Neither does the WHO. Their performance has been abysmal throughout.

Yet people still listen to them and they are advising "governments" what actions to take!

You have to wonder? ????

"Kill Bill" Gates is their biggest sponsor now ????

[vermin on arrival]

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I questioned why you claimed that "Asia is lying and pretending" You do realize there are over 48 countries in Asia.

 

Bar China which nobody believes, you come back with the lack of testing in Myanmar, Laos, Japan and Thailand which I agree leaves a lot to be desired but does not back up your claim they are lying. 

 

South Korea, Singapore for example you said Asia, you mean they are lying to? 

 

Again you're making claims with no evidence, a pattern from you.

Also, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Malaysia. All have responded well and masks are part of the equation. Singapore did so later in the game.

Edited May 12, 2020 by vermin on arrival

[Phil McCaverty]

Just now, CGW said:

Yet people still listen to them and they are advising "governments" what actions to take!

You have to wonder? ????

"Kill Bill" Gates is their biggest sponsor now ????

Trump spoke the truth when he condemned them]. However they're all we've got to coordinate the fight against Covid. The enquiry should be done after this pandemic is concluded not during it, Counter productive. Most of their sins have been committed by one person, Tedros Adhanom. Trump would have better served the the World by demanding his immediate removal to guarantee continued funding.

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, mr mr said:

i make my wife wear a mask when we are doing it. that way i feel like maybe i am cheating on her with some young hot spinner.

 

 

smh

[Logosone]

1 hour ago, Phil McCaverty said:

Neither does the WHO. Their performance has been abysmal throughout.

Nonsense, Mike Ryan has provided excellent advice during this pandemic.

 

His laudatio on the Swedish model was absolutely spot on as well.

 

Also the warning about antibodies was well founded.

 

Many other worthwhile contributions from the WHO. Yes, some mistakes were made, but some good input as well.

[CGW]

1 hour ago, Phil McCaverty said:

Most of their sins have been committed by one person, Tedros Adhanom.

I believe the "corruption runs much deeper than one person, corruption is endemic! in the all the "World" bodies, the UN is no better, the list is endless..... IMO