Video: Who was in the wrong? Motorcyclist and pillion rider take a tumble as pedestrian crosses the road

[jpduggan]

In my opinion it is the woman is wrong. She walked across in front of the bike and it looked to me as if she took a swing at the bike rider. In all fairness it looks as if the bike is being driven at a reasonable speed.

 

[Scott Tracy]

It looks to me as if the bike rider had seen the pedestrian and was planning to pass behind her. He was not anticipating her stopping in the road. It looks like she stopped on the white line to wait for the bike to pass. The rider was then probably trying to adjust his route to miss her to the front, the woman waving her arms and being uncertain that the bike would miss her, distracted the rider who lost control and fell off.

 

Apportion blame as you wish. There may be so many violations of the law here, I don't know. The bike rider was on the correct side of the road, never crossed the white line once. The lady did what she thought was right, due to her uncertainty of the bike's direction of travel. 

The lady did not jaywalk, if there is such a thing in Thailand. She crossed lawfully and with regards to traffic, hence her hesitation at the white line.

My opinion is, accident, caused by rider assuming the lady would continue to cross the road, instead of stopping on the white line. 

 

Edited May 25, 2020 by Scott Tracy
Clarifying in my mind after reading the published text.

[EVENKEEL]

6 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I thought the woman in the middle deliberately grabbed the scooter.

I see the same, crazy bit@h......

[LivinLOS]

7 hours ago, 2long said:

I reckon there's more to it than we see. The pedestrian appears to see them coming, doesn't try to move out of the way, and then appears to put an arm out to knock them off.

But the bike also appears to ride towards her (in the middle) instead of past her.

I wouldn't be surprised if something had happened before the clip.

She started crossing without looking.. He saw her, and expecting her to keep walking, went to avoid her.. She then stops and rider cant see which way shes going.. And it all goes wrong. 

Shes at fault. 

[daveAustin]

All three are dippy and wrong and should be shot. 

[sawadee1947]

9 hours ago, JeffersLos said:

Not a designated pedestrian crossing.

 

The pedestrian's fault.

 

She also appears to be under the influence of being brain-dead. 

Just as all other Thai on the road ????

[BTB1977]

Bike's fault.  Why riding right next to or on the center line. He wasn't paying attention if he did not see her. I've been riding for over 50 years and if you run someone down like this you not paying attention to what is a head of you and do not have control of your bike. 

[White Christmas13]

10 hours ago, JeffersLos said:

Not a designated pedestrian crossing.

 

The pedestrian's fault.

 

She also appears to be under the influence of being brain-dead. 

Are you trying to tell us anybody stops at a Zebra crossing I challenge

you to try it.

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, White Christmas13 said:

11 hours ago, JeffersLos said:

Not a designated pedestrian crossing.

 

The pedestrian's fault.

 

She also appears to be under the influence of being brain-dead. 

Are you trying to tell us anybody stops at a Zebra crossing I challenge

you to try it.

No.. thats you 'putting words in his mouth'...

 

He's saying it wasn't at a pedestrian crossing, implying the pedestrian is responsible for causing the incident.

 

Had the same incident occurred at a Pedestrian Crossing the Motorcyclist would have been at fault for not stopping.

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

20 minutes ago, BTB1977 said:

Bike's fault.  Why riding right next to or on the center line. He wasn't paying attention if he did not see her. I've been riding for over 50 years and if you run someone down like this you not paying attention to what is a head of you and do not have control of your bike. 

Its been mentioned enough times. The bike moved to towards the center-line to pass behind the pedestrian, who then hesitated creating additional confusion, the motorcyclist had to swerve again.

 

Of course the motorcyclist should have stopped instead of trying to second guess or anticipate what the pedestrian was doing. But, the pedestrian was never supposed to be walking blindly into the road in the first place.

 

The motorcyclist is certainly complicit, however, the incident is the fault of the pedestrian.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 25, 2020 by richard_smith237

[mancub]

Just the same when vehicles join in the fast lane....and you have to guess what the're going to do next !

[Tropposurfer]

13 hours ago, Tarteso said:

No cebra crossing... ????

Ummm. World class pedant here .... It's 'zebra' not Cebra unless your referring to some car model in the background somewhere lol ????

[hotchilli]

18 hours ago, petermik said:

Bike rider for sure...bike in middle of road as lady waits for it to pass....bike rider obviously not seen her otherwise he could have avoided her.....just a typical day on the roads here

Both at fault, pedestrian gives the bike no chance to stop, she raises her hand and steps right into them. Having said that the bike was not going to stop for her either which is normal.. 

Standing in the middle of the road to get halfway across is normal, but if you walk into the path of a vehicle then expect an accident to happen.

[Tarteso]

5 hours ago, Tropposurfer said:

Ummm. World class pedant here .... It's 'zebra' not Cebra unless your referring to some car model in the background somewhere lol ????

Lapsus, I wrote zebra in Spanish...cebra ????

Edited May 25, 2020 by Tarteso

[JeffersLos]

9 hours ago, White Christmas13 said:

Are you trying to tell us anybody stops at a Zebra crossing I challenge

you to try it.

No, I'm saying that it didn't happen at a designated pedestrian crossing, so the pedestrian is at fault.

 

If it had a happened at a designated pedestrian crossing, the motorist would have been at fault. 

[JeffersLos]

9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Of course the motorcyclist should have stopped instead of trying to second guess or anticipate what the pedestrian was doing.

I don't think that it is the onus of a motorist to suddenly stop in the middle of a road, where there is no designated pedestrian crossing. 

[brianthainess]

My take; she walks to the line then stopped, as the M/C approaches she then steps over the line and thwacks the M/C rider. HER fault 100% silly moo. 

[scubascuba3]

50\50, woman didn't look when she crossed the road and the motorbike rider should have seen it was a potential hazard and slowed down, moved out of the way

[bodga]

21 hours ago, petermik said:

Bike rider for sure...bike in middle of road as lady waits for it to pass....bike rider obviously not seen her otherwise he could have avoided her.....just a typical day on the roads here

Pedestrian for sure, in the middle  of the road and then puts  arm up to hit them or whatever, everyone knows what a road is, everyone knows vehicles travel down it everyone knows if a vehicle hits you in the road it aint going to tickle.

[bodga]

12 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

50\50, woman didn't look when she crossed the road and the motorbike rider should have seen it was a potential hazard and slowed down, moved out of the way

I'd say 70-30 pedestrian, how do you allow for an idiot although, then again.

[bodga]

21 hours ago, JeffersLos said:

Not a designated pedestrian crossing.

 

The pedestrian's fault.

 

She also appears to be under the influence of being brain-dead. 

Best reply  of the week!!????

[bodga]

58 minutes ago, JeffersLos said:

I don't think that it is the onus of a motorist to suddenly stop in the middle of a road, where there is no designated pedestrian crossing. 

The problem is even when there is  one there seems to be no  onus.

[OneMoreFarang]

One thing is sure: She has a real bad attitude. Two people crash in front of her eyes, at least in part because of her, and she doesn't really care. 

[TigerandDog]

both at fault. She stops in the middle of the road, puts out her hand as if telling the motor bike to stop and then steps in front of the bike. The bike makes no effort to slow down, as usual when it comes to pedestrians, so even though no pedestrian crossing, the bike is equally at fault as the pedestrian.

[bodga]

17 hours ago, daveAustin said:

All three are dippy and wrong and should be shot. 

at  dawn?

[mike787]

nobody cares....

[SantiSuk]

22 hours ago, KhunBENQ said:

Usually I have pity for pedestrians but the behavior of this woman is really stupid.

She carelessly crosses the road without a look to the left.

Not before she reaches the center she realizes that there is traffic.

She doesn't look like handicapped/unfit.

Her survival chances in Pattaya would be in the single digit percent range.

 

Agreed. Obviously Thailand doesn't have the "look left, look right, look left again mantra. She should never have started to cross the road while there was oncoming traffic. If she had looked and thought she could get to the middle and wait then that was a wrong decision

 

Likely the bike saw she was not looking and decided to head round her, so that when she abruptly stopped collision was inevitable.

[berybert]

22 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

A couple of clowns on the bike.

How embarrassing, there was plenty of room to their left.

 

Drug test them

Plenty of room on the left for her to carry on walking into which is what they expected her to do, which is why they stayed in the middle of the road.

Trying to second guess Thai's isn't easy at the best of times. 

[tifino]

On 5/25/2020 at 4:01 PM, LeamchabangLarry said:

That woman is Thicc

The motorcycle bounced right off of her as if it was a gnat

and possibly the 'larger' party, in the logical blame game

[tifino]

6 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

One thing is sure: She has a real bad attitude. Two people crash in front of her eyes, at least in part because of her, and she doesn't really care. 

she'd probably been standing off-camera for ages, to wait for just the right approaching m'cycle to approach...