Trump plans order on policing, opposes major reforms

[webfact]

Trump plans order on policing, opposes major reforms

By Steve Holland

 

U.S. President Donald Trump is applauded as he attends a roundtable discussion with members of the faith community, law enforcement and small business at Gateway Church Dallas Campus in Dallas, Texas, U.S., June 11, 2020. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst

 

DALLAS (Reuters) - President Donald Trump on Thursday announced modest plans for an executive order on policing, while making it clear he would not support sweeping proposals in response to protests against police brutality prompted by the killing of George Floyd.

 

Speaking at a campaign-style event at a church in Dallas, Trump said the order would advise police departments to adopt national standards for the use of force.

 

His administration would also support better training for police and pilot programs for social workers to work alongside law enforcement officers, he said.

 

But he derided the "defund the police" movement that advocates reducing budgets for police departments and funneling that money to programs for education, social welfare, housing and other community needs.

 

Trump repeatedly stated his support for police and said progress would not be made by labeling millions of Americans as racist.

 

"In recent days, there has been vigorous discussion about how to ensure fairness, equality and justice for all of our people," Trump said.

 

"Unfortunately, there's some trying to stoke division and to push an extreme agenda - which we won't go for - that will produce only more poverty, more crime, more suffering. This includes radical efforts to defund, dismantle and disband the police," he added.

 

Trump's comments were his first offering policy proposals on policing and race following the May 25 death of Floyd, an African-American man, after a Minneapolis policeman knelt on his neck for nearly nine minutes. His death prompted a wave of protests in U.S. cities and abroad, re-energizing the Black Lives Matter racial justice movement.

 

Trump has drawn fire for calling on state governors to crack down on the protesters and threatening to send in the U.S. military.

 

He said on Thursday that police should be able to use force but that it should be "force with compassion."

 

Police officers still need to "dominate the streets," he added, in reference to the recent protests, some of which included violent incidents.

 

Trump sought to move the focus beyond policing by saying his administration wanted to foster economic development in minority communities, address healthcare disparities by race and provide more school choice.

 

CONGRESSIONAL ACTION

The administration's policing proposals so far fall well short of those embraced by Democrats in Congress who are moving forward with reform legislation that could come to a vote by July 4 in the House of Representatives.

 

Republicans, who control the Senate, are working on a separate proposal, although its unveiling has been delayed.

 

White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows met Republican lawmakers on Capitol Hill earlier this week and said Trump wanted to overhaul policing laws sooner rather than later. He did not identify any specific policy proposals but said Trump was willing to work with lawmakers on the issue.

 

Some Republicans in Congress have indicated support for certain measures proposed by Democrats, including a ban on the use of chokeholds and eliminating the legal defense of "qualified immunity," which helps officers evade civil rights lawsuits.

 

But it is unclear whether Democrats and Republicans will be able to overcome partisan differences to pass legislation that Trump would be willing to sign.

 

(Reporting by Steve Holland; Additional reporting by Daphen Psaledakis; Writing by Mohammad Zargham and Lawrence Hurley; Editing by Chris Reese and Peter Cooney)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2020-06-12

 

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[Mama Noodle]

5 minutes ago, webfact said:

Trump has drawn fire for calling on state governors to crack down on the protesters and threatening to send in the U.S. military.

 

Good grief nobody is trying to crack down on protests they are trying to stop riots, looting, arson, property damage, murder etc. 

[Langsuan Man]

1 hour ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Good grief nobody is trying to crack down on protests they are trying to stop riots, looting, arson, property damage, murder etc. 

You don't crack down on protesters which is the point: 

 

Quote

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 source: First Amendment to the US Constitution

[Tug]

1 hour ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Good grief nobody is trying to crack down on protests they are trying to stop riots, looting, arson, property damage, murder etc. 

Like when he teargassed all those folks in Washington so he could get his photo op lol 99% of the protesters have been peaceful and in compliance with our first amendment rights no trumps the last guy they want lol

[robblok]

Trump is right about not wanting to defund the police that would be stupid. He is wrong about most things but defunding the police is just stupid. You hit a lot hof honest good cops and you take away safety from people. Its not as if being a cop is a high paying easy job.

[Bluespunk]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

Unfortunately, there's some trying to stoke division 

Yes trump, it’s you. 

Edited June 12, 2020 by Bluespunk

[Laza 45]

 

[Laza 45]

57 minutes ago, Laza 45 said:

 

To see the video go to #UglyPresident

[Baerboxer]

6 hours ago, Langsuan Man said:

You don't crack down on protesters which is the point: 

 

 source: First Amendment to the US Constitution

 

Indeed. But there is no right to riot, assault police, assault citizens, murder people, arson and vandalism and loot and thieve enshrined in the First, or any other Amendment.

 

Certain Democrat governors are allowing criminal actions, and threatening to defund police purely for politically motivated agendas. The same politicians have been active in politics for many years and done little to nothing about the issues before.

 

 

[Baerboxer]

4 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Yes trump, it’s you. 

 

And so are most Democrats. 

 

End justifies the means, as usual.

[Baerboxer]

6 hours ago, robblok said:

Trump is right about not wanting to defund the police that would be stupid. He is wrong about most things but defunding the police is just stupid. You hit a lot hof honest good cops and you take away safety from people. Its not as if being a cop is a high paying easy job.

 

Very true.

 

But from what we see the entire US Justice system, federal, state, city, town and county all requires some massive overhauls.

 

Bizarre court rulings, blatant manipulations of the law for political purposes, law breaking by those who should be enforcing the law, highly selective enforcement and application of laws etc etc.

 

You are right, defunding isn't the answer and would be a welcomed by all criminals, doing much more harm than good.

 

But massive reforms of a broken system are desperately needed. 

[Bluespunk]

7 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

And so are most Democrats. 

 

End justifies the means, as usual.

I’ll judge the Democrats on what they say. This thread is about trump so I’ll focus on him here. 

[Boon Mee]

6 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Indeed. But there is no right to riot, assault police, assault citizens, murder people, arson and vandalism and loot and thieve enshrined in the First, or any other Amendment.

 

Certain Democrat governors are allowing criminal actions, and threatening to defund police purely for politically motivated agendas. The same politicians have been active in politics for many years and done little to nothing about the issues before.

 

 

A distinction not seemingly recognized by the majority of posters thus far in the thread? 

BTW, there was no tear ???? gas used on the demonstrators the day Trump walked to the church. 

That's a flat-out lie promulgated by the haters who gotta hate. 

 

MAGA 

[Eric Loh]

Tomorrow he will say just the opposite or walk back those modest plan. No telling this highly unpredictable man will say or do. Plus he lie most of the time. 

[Emdog]

Does it bother Trump supporters that Trump "did not invite the city’s top three law enforcement officials – the sheriff, police chief and district attorney who are all black." Did he forget that the host city might have police?

 

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/11/trump-doesnt-invite-top-law-enforcement-officials-who-are-black-police-roundtable-12841049/?ito=cbshare

Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/

[andersonat]

1 hour ago, Boon Mee said:

A distinction not seemingly recognized by the majority of posters thus far in the thread? 

BTW, there was no tear ???? gas used on the demonstrators the day Trump walked to the church. 

That's a flat-out lie promulgated by the haters who gotta hate. 

 

MAGA 

 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-02/police-say-they-used-pepper-spray-to-clear-protesters-for-trump

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-contradicting-cdc-on-definition-tear-gas-used-on-protesters-2020-6

 

From the 2nd report:-

"White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany told reporters at a press briefing on Wednesday afternoon that "no one was tear-gassed" and law enforcement "peaceably" dispersed the crowd to make way for the president's photo-op outside St. John's church. 

But Tim Murtaugh, the Trump campaign's communications director went a step further ... and told Insider that the pepper compound and smoke don't qualify as tear gas, despite the CDC's designation.

['The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention defines tear gas, also known as "riot control agents," as "chemical compounds that temporarily make people unable to function by causing irritation to the eyes, mouth, throat, lungs, and skin."']

 "The Park Police said clearly that neither they, nor their law enforcement partners, used tear gas," Murtaugh told Insider on Wednesday. "Pepper pellets and smoke are not tear gas." 

 ... But the Trump campaign told Insider the pepper balls used to dispel the crowd don't qualify as tear gas, despite the CDC's designation."

 

'

 

 

 

[RobFord]

8 hours ago, robblok said:

Trump is right about not wanting to defund the police that would be stupid. He is wrong about most things but defunding the police is just stupid. You hit a lot hof honest good cops and you take away safety from people. Its not as if being a cop is a high paying easy job.

 

[RobFord]

10 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Good grief nobody is trying to crack down on protests they are trying to stop riots, looting, arson, property damage, murder etc. 

 

[natway09]

No teargas used before Trump walked to the Church for his Bible act

Adsolute rubbish, you must be as blind, deaf or selectively stupid as Trump.

[EVENKEEL]

Looks like a defunded Police Force to me ahahahaa

 

 

[candide]

3 hours ago, andersonat said:

 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-02/police-say-they-used-pepper-spray-to-clear-protesters-for-trump

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-contradicting-cdc-on-definition-tear-gas-used-on-protesters-2020-6

 

From the 2nd report:-

"White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany told reporters at a press briefing on Wednesday afternoon that "no one was tear-gassed" and law enforcement "peaceably" dispersed the crowd to make way for the president's photo-op outside St. John's church. 

But Tim Murtaugh, the Trump campaign's communications director went a step further ... and told Insider that the pepper compound and smoke don't qualify as tear gas, despite the CDC's designation.

['The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention defines tear gas, also known as "riot control agents," as "chemical compounds that temporarily make people unable to function by causing irritation to the eyes, mouth, throat, lungs, and skin."']

 "The Park Police said clearly that neither they, nor their law enforcement partners, used tear gas," Murtaugh told Insider on Wednesday. "Pepper pellets and smoke are not tear gas." 

 ... But the Trump campaign told Insider the pepper balls used to dispel the crowd don't qualify as tear gas, despite the CDC's designation."

 

Come on it's overtly different! (Joking)

Pepper spray

Physical Effects: Uncontrollable watering of the eyes, extreme burning of the eyes and nose, temporary blindness, nasal and sinus discharge, burning of the skin, increase in blood pressure. In most cases, the symptoms of pepper spray last no longer than 45-60 minutes.

Tear gas

Physical effects: Extreme burning of the nose, eyes, and throat, involuntary closing of the eyes, coughing, rise in blood pressure, mucus secretion, nausea, and vomiting. In most cases, the symptoms of tear gas spray subside within 30 minutes.

https://www.aftermath.com/content/tear-gas-vs-pepper-spray/

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Tomorrow he will say just the opposite or walk back those modest plan. No telling this highly unpredictable man will say or do. Plus he lie most of the time. 

 

There's only one way any needed reforms will come out of this whole process -- and that's by kicking out Trump at the ballot box in November.

 

110,000+ dead Americans and counting from a president who just doesn't care about anything or anyone other than himself.  And certainly doesn't care about seeing that the federal government actually does the jobs that the taxpayers are paying for....

 

--a Centers for Disease Control that actually controls diseases.

--an Environmental Protection Agency that actually protects the environment.

--Labor and OSHA agencies that actually protect workers rights

--a foreign policy approach that supports U.S. allies instead of befriending atrocious dictators like Putin, Kim, Xi, etc.

--Judges that support the constitutional notion of checks and balances between the executive, legislative and courts branches of government, instead of deeming the president as an all-powerful dictator.

etc etc etc.

[Redoubt]

Another distorted and false report.  These will never stop.

[Scott Tracy]

Pepper spray, tear gas... Same thing. Used on your own citizenry for a photo op. 

[mlmcleod]

The problem with peaceful protest is that there is always a minority of hard core criminals who take advantage.  The protesters are almost exclusively peaceful citizens.  Sadly anytime anyone protests they are lumped together with the criminals that take advantage.  The police do not discriminate between real criminals and protesters most of the time.  Of course, they are encouraged to knock heads and take control by the conservatives.  There is really no way to separate peaceful protesters from the criminal element that will take advantage.  The first amendment guarantees the right to  right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

SInce there are real grievances there are going to be protesters in our future.  We need to properly train the police to discriminate between peaceful protesters and criminals before any head bashing is done!

[simple1]

22 hours ago, robblok said:

Trump is right about not wanting to defund the police that would be stupid. He is wrong about most things but defunding the police is just stupid. You hit a lot hof honest good cops and you take away safety from people. Its not as if being a cop is a high paying easy job.

Defunding police is not in reference to reducing policing capability, which is nothing more than BS baffles brains by some. In essence defunding is re-directing some of the police budget to address social services such as homelessness, mental illness which currently police are forced to address due to lack of funding for social services thereby freeing up police resources. In the OP trump has claimed will fund first steps for additional training for social services to work alongside police, which is great, unfortunately long overdue as police have been complaining about this issue for a long time.

[mtls2005]

"Knife through butter"

 

"It was a beautiful thing."

 

"Dominate the streets with compassion."

 

Looks like he had a makeup fail? Maybe his makeup team used a trowl instead of a butter knife to apply that hot orange mess on his jowls?

 

Greatest president ever.

 

From this "event", spoken at an evangelical church. 

 

 

Edited June 13, 2020 by mtls2005

[Langsuan Man]

 

 dominate the battle space

[cooked]

23 hours ago, Tug said:

Like when he teargassed all those folks in Washington so he could get his photo op lol 99% of the protesters have been peaceful and in compliance with our first amendment rights no trumps the last guy they want lol

Yeah, all those people that were throwing stuff at the police and trying to get into the White House. If 1% are using Molotovs then the whole bunch is liable to repression. AG Barr gave the order to push them back, not Trump. Try reading another news source <deleted>.

[robblok]

19 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Very true.

 

But from what we see the entire US Justice system, federal, state, city, town and county all requires some massive overhauls.

 

Bizarre court rulings, blatant manipulations of the law for political purposes, law breaking by those who should be enforcing the law, highly selective enforcement and application of laws etc etc.

 

You are right, defunding isn't the answer and would be a welcomed by all criminals, doing much more harm than good.

 

But massive reforms of a broken system are desperately needed. 

I don't say it does not need a reform, just that taking away money is not the way to do it.