Trump denies being told about Russian bounties to kill U.S. troops in Afghanistan

[BestB]

2 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Yes.

 

No.

 

Believe the ask was "WMD" and not "nukes"?

 

 

Got ya????????????

[herfiehandbag]

40 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Russia offering bounties on the heads of American (and British) servicemen in Afghanistan is entirely believable.

Yes it is, and if true appaling if not particularly surprising.

 

Can I ask however ( the Pattaya forum may be a better place for this question????) did the CIA and the assortment of other "secret squirrel" organisations which were operating in and around Afghanistan when the Mujahedeen were fighting the Soviets pay any sort of bonus for killing Russians, shooting down helicopters and blowing up supply convoys?

 

[Tug]

Oh imo he was briefed but wasent paying attention or the agency’s are so terrified of trump having a tantrum they dident tell him whatever it was it lacked an appropriate response therefore another failure hopefully it can be proven yea or nay 

[bendejo]

Aw, c'mon, another impeachment, this time for treason?

Well, at least we could watch the GOP Senate make even bigger fools of themselves defending this one.

 

 

[Berkshire]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

"Nobody briefed or told me, @VP Pence, or Chief of Staff @MarkMeadows about the so-called attacks on our troops in Afghanistan by Russians," Trump tweeted, calling on the newspaper to name its anonymous source. "Everybody is denying it & there have not been many attacks on us."

Trump lying again?  Nothing new. 

 

[Russian bounties offered to Taliban-linked militants to kill coalition forces in Afghanistan are believed to have resulted in the deaths of several U.S. service members, according to intelligence gleaned from U.S. military interrogations of captured militants in recent months.]

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-bounties-to-taliban-linked-militants-resulted-in-deaths-of-us-troops-according-to-intelligence-assessments/ar-BB1657dl?ocid=wispr

[Rimmer]

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[robblok]

32 minutes ago, BestB said:

White House has confirmed story of absurd intelligence report? Was that the same intelligence and White House who confirmed Saddam had nukes?

Come on your not stupid you actually make some smart remarks.

 

But surely you must see the difference too. The white house needed proof of nukes and made it they lied. In this case its against the white house its best interests to admit this. So why would they fabricate it. Unless your thinking the white house is against Trump. 

[Chomper Higgot]

35 minutes ago, BestB said:

White House has confirmed story of absurd intelligence report? Was that the same intelligence and White House who confirmed Saddam had nukes?

Same building, different people in the building.

[welovesundaysatspace]

That’s the problem when you don’t read intelligence briefings because they are more complex than a 140 characters Tweet. Maybe they should hire some YouTube teenager to translate it into emoji language for him. 
 

What a banana republic. 
 

 

 

Edited June 29, 2020 by welovesundaysatspace

[chrisinth]

2 hours ago, BestB said:

All you trump haters will bite on anything . Why on earth would Russia offer money to taliban to kill US soldiers when taliban does it and has been doing it for years . And does not need any incentives. Makes no sense at all. 
 

if report said Russia sold or provided weapons , then it’s believable but paying bounty just does not make any sense 

The motive of the Russians is not the point here. If the accusation against the Russians was submitted as an intelligence report, presented to the president and he is now denying this fact, that is the point.

[Walker88]

As someone who occasionally had input to the PDB and had access to it on many occasions, 45's excuse is ludicrous.

 

The PDB used to be put together by the agency, but after 9-11 and the establishment of the DNI, the PDB came under the DNI's purview. Each day all the intel components put together their top items and forward it to the ODNI. A dept there then sifts through the intel and selects the most important and critical pieces and puts together the PDB. A briefer then presents it to the POTUS. Sometimes the briefer is the DNI, sometimes the DCI, and most often a designated PDB Briefer, who is usually an analyst at a GS-15 or above level with a wide range of knowledge.

 

An item such as Russia offering bounties to the Taliban on killed US and UK forces would have been Item #1 on the PDB and the first topic of verbal briefing. It also would have elicited phone calls between POTUS and the UK PM, since both nations were named as targets in the intel. As more intel was obtained on the matter from various sources the topic would have been repeated in subsequent PDBs, perhaps dozens of times over the span of a month or two. Members of the National Security Council, the entire intel community, the State Dept, and the Defense Dept would then have put together a list of suggestions and options on how to address the matter, ranging from calls to Putin, a diplomatic demarche by the US ambassador in Moscow, or even covert action plans or sanctions to be imposed against Russia.

 

There is absolutely zero chance that both 45 and the VP would not have been repeatedly briefed on the matter. No chance whatsoever.

 

 

Key (just in case):

 

PDB  President's Daily Brief

DNI  Directorate of National Intelligence

ODNI  Office of (above)

DCI  Director of (the) Central Intelligence (Agency)

Edited June 29, 2020 by Walker88

[Opl]

Since months The US and the Talibans were negotiating a deal which was finally agreed on, on  February 29th 2020,  and Trump was (or pretends ) not briefed?  

 

Edited June 29, 2020 by Opl

[Morch]

1 hour ago, BestB said:

So in other words, no matter how absurd it is , because you do not like Russia therefore it must be true. 
 

As I said , If report said Russia provided weapons or support it would make sense, but paying bounty does not , no matter how hard to spin it. 

 

No. These are your words, again, which you try to misrepresent mine.

First of all, the main focus of the OP is Trump denying being briefed. Trump doesn't claim he was briefed and considered it nonsense, hence ignoring it. Moving on, the issue of whether the report is correct or not is another matter.

 

As for "because you do not like Russia therefore it must be true", kinda rich considering your posting history and views.

 

That you refuse to accept reality or choose to play obtuse is totally up to you. I don't recall you having much issues with the concept of incentive, payments and whatnot when discussing these on topic about the Middle East. Granted, Russia wasn't mentioned in that context then, so totally different, of course.

[OneMoreFarang]

3 hours ago, LomSak27 said:

 

The problem with being a serial liar is at a certain point no one believes your lies anymore. Multiple sources are now stating, President Donald Trump was briefed, Like we didn't know. He is desperately lying to his base in Elvis country. However once they have to start buying plots for Granny Beulah and Grandpa Jethro, because of the fake pandemic, well excrement happens.

 

Antifa did it, sure, 1000%!

[EVENKEEL]

2 hours ago, Tug said:

Oh imo he was briefed but wasent paying attention or the agency’s are so terrified of trump having a tantrum they dident tell him whatever it was it lacked an appropriate response therefore another failure hopefully it can be proven yea or nay 

You  know the old saying about opinions....

[metisdead]

Some posts with trolling representations of POTUS have been removed. 

[johnpetersen]

3 hours ago, BestB said:

What does destablisimg EU has to do with paying bounty.?

 

do you seriously do not get that Taliban does not need bounty payments to kill US troops as is 

 

taliban hates US and has been at war with US for over a decade, they have not stopped or developed love relationship. They do not need incentives 

Do you seriously not get that U.S soldiers are a lot harder and lot risker to kill than Afghani soldiers? Not only are they better armed and protected but they are in much less vulnerable positions. It's a question of risk/reward.

[Matzzon]

That man would deny drinking water on a daily basis if it was to any favor for him.

[Phoenix Rising]

3 hours ago, BestB said:

They do not and did not need any incentives , already hate and happy to kill. Or you think with being paid per head. They will kill same soldier twice ?

Your posts are getting disingenuous (being very polite) to the point where they're now worth replying too anymore

[Proboscis]

5 hours ago, worgeordie said:

I think he must have selective hearing disease.

regards Worgeordie

I think that it is down to the fact that he just does not read. The President, as does any worthwhile leader, receives a briefing document on a daily basis with all this info in it plus some more in-depth documentation. He does not bother to read them, preferring Fox News etc for his information.

[Eric Loh]

Apparently US commandos and spies have been talking about this for months after large amount of US dollars were found in Taliban’s posts. I am lost for words that the country with the most resources and best intelligence network in the world has no knowledge and had not alerted the President. He will be complicit to the deaths of soldiers in Afghanistan if he know and didn’t do anything. 

[bendejo]

Just another instance of him getting out of Russia's way, like he did in Syria, Libya, Venezuela...

 

If this stuff gets substantiated will anyone in the military stand by him?  You can tell he's lying by the response he gave.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, bendejo said:

Just another instance of him getting out of Russia's way, like he did in Syria, Libya, Venezuela...

 

If this stuff gets substantiated will anyone in the military stand by him?  You can tell he's lying by the response he gave.

 

 

The military will do its duty.

 

How members of the military, and their families, vote is another matter.

 

Perhaps more important is what will be the response of Trump’s supporters if these reports are substantiated?

 

I guess we’ll get a clue to that when the Intelligence Committees start calling witnesses, what excuse could Trump have for not agreeing to a full open inquiry into something he says never happened?!

[klauskunkel]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

"Nobody briefed or told me

"Everybody is denying it

Nobody and Everybody, they seem to be the only competent people here. I think Trump should hire them.

[Emdog]

Many, many former white house staff have remarked at Trump's lack of attention to briefings, the need to mention his name over and over to get his attention. He may have been told, but was any test administered to test comprehension? In one ear and out the other

I am no fan of Trump. However, the US as a matter of routine offered big rewards for Bin Laden and lesser figures. I don't think the rewards went down to level of average Taliban grunt, but similar motive. "People respond to incentives" was main idea of fun book "Freakonomics"

[Berkshire]

6 minutes ago, Emdog said:

Many, many former white house staff have remarked at Trump's lack of attention to briefings, the need to mention his name over and over to get his attention. He may have been told, but was any test administered to test comprehension? In one ear and out the other

I am no fan of Trump. However, the US as a matter of routine offered big rewards for Bin Laden and lesser figures. I don't think the rewards went down to level of average Taliban grunt, but similar motive. "People respond to incentives" was main idea of fun book "Freakonomics"

So you're equating the reward for Bin Laden with the reward for random US military personnel?  From a US President's perspective, the big difference is one is in the national interest of the US, the other is not.  

[johnmcc6]

you can't rely on anything from the new york slimes.

[johnpetersen]

25 minutes ago, johnmcc6 said:

you can't rely on anything from the new york slimes.

What we can rely on, though, is the posting of evidence-free slurs like yours.

[Dap]

6 hours ago, BestB said:

They do not and did not need any incentives , already hate and happy to kill. Or you think with being paid per head. They will kill same soldier twice ?

Gotta ask ya' this - when someone straps on a vest packed with explosives and wanders into a market-place to wipe out whoever - is the raft of virgins offered for this action not an incentive, or is the hate factor alone sufficient?

[mrfill]

7 hours ago, BestB said:

All you trump haters will bite on anything . Why on earth would Russia offer money to taliban to kill US soldiers when taliban does it and has been doing it for years . And does not need any incentives. Makes no sense at all. 
 

if report said Russia sold or provided weapons , then it’s believable but paying bounty just does not make any sense 

The taleban likely had lots of weapons left from the time they were known as the mujahadeen and the US supplied them with huge amounts of weapons to dislodge the Soviets.