UK-born Islamic State recruit can return from Syria to challenge citizenship removal

[Susco]

6 minutes ago, Sujo said:

No, the girl also has the right to law and order. Or is law and order only for decisions you like.

I am aware of many Westerners, in cold blood executed by the ISIS animals this woman belonged to, who also would have liked the right of law and order

[dexterm]

Did any member here ever do anything stupid when you were a teenager?

 

If at 20 she's a security threat or she has committed any offences while overseas, she should face the consequences in a UK court. She's a British citizen.

 

If you throw UK law and order out the window, you are no better than the scum ISIS.

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, Sujo said:

No, the girl also has the right to law and order. Or is law and order only for decisions you like.

She lost those rights when she decided to join ISIS and marry a ISIS fighter, then saying that she has no regrets joining ISIS. She said that the Manchester bombing was justified and seeing severed heads of westerners in a bin didn't faze her, her motive for returning is she doesn't like living in a camp, not because she has repented, most decent citizens would not want her near anywhere near the British Isles. The law is supposed to represent its people, it is far from doing that, so spare me the reasons you think she should be returned, most of us are not buying it!

Her case if it has grounds will open up another 150 Begums trying to get back into our country.

[Chomper Higgot]

38 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I will take a wild guess that you were not the father of one of the little girls blown apart by the Islamic bomber(who was also "rescued" by the UK from Libya) at the Arianne Grande kiddies concert in Manchester. When your "law" fails so spectacularly that we are forced to actively import enemy combatants who's goal in life is to maim and kill as many Brits as is possible there is trouble ahead. It is important to know who these judges are, because after millions of Brits made very clear it is an outrage to bring this beast back to Britain, we need accountability when it all goes pear shaped - which it will. She will be an icon to the Tower Hamlets and East Midlands lot. She will inspire a whole new generation of muslims to admire and learn terror. The judges here will have to be accountable seeing as Ms Begum freely admits she wants death to Brits.

Emotive nonsense.

 

She has never been an ‘enemy combatant’.

 

At issue is whether the Government acted legally when stripping her of her citizenship.

[stevenl]

12 minutes ago, vogie said:

I will make another wild guess and suggest that most of our country is againgst this law being upheld, but being pragmatic doesn't fit all I suppose.

I agree that many will not be happy and are 'against this law'. Until the moment it affects them.

Everyone has a right to appeal a government decision.

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, dexterm said:

Did any member here ever do anything stupid when you were a teenager?

 

If at 20 she's a security threat or she has committed any offences while overseas, she should face the consequences in a UK court. She's a British citizen.

 

If you throw UK law and order out the window, you are no better than the scum ISIS.

Yes of course you are right, I did actually join the Baeder Meinhof gang and Black September for a while. Did a couple of plane hijackings, nothing too serious though.

We are not talking about smoking a spliff behind the school toilets here you know.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

She lost those rights when she decided to join ISIS and marry a ISIS fighter, then saying that she has no regrets joining ISIS. She said that the Manchester bombing was justified and seeing severed heads of westerners in a bin didn't faze her, her motive for returning is she doesn't like living in a camp, not because she has repented, most decent citizens would not want her near anywhere near the British Isles. The law is supposed to represent its people, it is far from doing that, so spare me the reasons you think she should be returned, most of us are not buying it!

Her case if it has grounds will open up another 150 Begums trying to get back into our country.

I’m not sure on what basis you claim ‘she lost rights’ to protections under the law.

 

The law isn’t supposed to represent ‘its people’, that’s the job of MPs and Government who are also subject to the law.

 

 

[stevenl]

8 minutes ago, dexterm said:

Did any member here ever do anything stupid when you were a teenager?

 

If at 20 she's a security threat or she has committed any offences while overseas, she should face the consequences in a UK court. She's a British citizen.

 

If you throw UK law and order out the window, you are no better than the scum ISIS.

Agree, except with your first line. This is of a completely different order than the normal stupid things teenagers do.

[phetphet]

The whole ploy is about getting her back into the country. Once she is there, they can't throw her out again. So it will be back on Social Security, and all the grants she can get, backed by Liberty and the other do gooder bleeding liberals.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see her getting a free house and a university place soon.

 

A spit in the face for all those from the UK, that have been killed, wounded or mentally scarred by Isis.

[Chomper Higgot]

18 minutes ago, Susco said:

This is not only UK.

 

Similar court rulings are made in several other Western countries.

 

In my country a court even ruled that the government has to pay a huge penalty for every day they fail to repatriate them

I suspect it might be the case in any nation  in which the Government is itself and it’s actions are subject to the law.

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, phetphet said:

The whole ploy is about getting her back into the country. Once she is there, they can't throw her out again. So it will be back on Social Security, and all the grants she can get, backed by Liberty and the other do gooder bleeding liberals.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see her getting a free house and a university place soon.

 

A spit in the face for all those from the UK, that have been killed, wounded or mentally scarred by Isis.

Of course they can throw her out again. If the decision to remove her British citizenship is deemed legal, she can be removed to Bangladesh.

Edited July 17, 2020 by stevenl

[phetphet]

7 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Of course they can throw her out again. If the decision to remove her British citizenship is deemed legal, she can be removed to Bangladesh.

Will only work if Bangladesh will accept her, and they have already stated that they won't. Once she is in the UK, she is there for good. No one else will take her.

Edited July 17, 2020 by phetphet

[pacovl46]

Screw that!!! She went to join a terrorist organization! In my book that move made her lose all the privileges that came with being a British citizen. The nerve to even try to get back in the country after her citizenship was revoked!!! Her return shouldn’t even be debatable! How I wish Germany would do the same and revoke citizenship of the German passport holders who went to join ISIS!!! 
 

Edit: Chomper Higgot, what’s there to frown about?

Edited July 17, 2020 by pacovl46

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, phetphet said:

Will only work if Bangladesh will accept her, and they have already stated that they won't. Once she is in the UK, she is there for good. No one else will take her.

Yes. If she is not Bangladeshi she can not be stripped of British citizenship.

[Susco]

26 minutes ago, dexterm said:

Did any member here ever do anything stupid when you were a teenager?

 

If at 20 she's a security threat or she has committed any offences while overseas, she should face the consequences in a UK court. She's a British citizen.

 

If you throw UK law and order out the window, you are no better than the scum ISIS.

She converted to ISIS which use the sharia law, so her own laws should be applicable for her.

 

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, and all that

[sweatalot]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

A British-born woman who went to Syria as a schoolgirl to join Islamic State can return to Britain to challenge the government's removal of her citizenship, judges ruled on Thursday.

political correctness at its best. 

How brain dead can a judge be?

[baansgr]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

The comment raising some interesting issues. So far as I know the person has not yet been sentenced for terrorism nor is she a citizen of a third country i.e. Bangladesh. Is it not the responsibility of HMG to ensure the individual is returned to the UK to face justice for supporting an Islamist terror group.

No, as she is no longer a British Citizen. 

[baansgr]

8 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes. If she is not Bangladeshi she can not be stripped of British citizenship.

She is no longer a British Citizen....

[baansgr]

41 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Putting aside she was a captured prisoner of war and hence shooting her would have been a war crime, in what twist of logic can she be a traitor if she is not a citizen?

 

 

Because she was fighting with Isis for over 3 years as a British Citizen.....

[pacovl46]

31 minutes ago, dexterm said:

Did any member here ever do anything stupid when you were a teenager?

 

If at 20 she's a security threat or she has committed any offences while overseas, she should face the consequences in a UK court. She's a British citizen.

 

If you throw UK law and order out the window, you are no better than the scum ISIS.

Hm, let’s see, yeah, we played some harmless pranks, got into the standard mischievous stuff as teenagers, but joining a fricking terror organization that brutally slaughters, tortures and rapes people and bombs, burns and ransacks entire cities and then uploads the videos online for the entire world to see - nah, that kind of “stupid“ wasn’t really up my alley! 
 

She knew what was up with ISIS before she joined and now that it didn’t work out she wants to go back to “mama” and civilized life! Screw that! If she’s allowed back they need to put her in prison for 50 years and even then she’ll still be way better off than all the people that lost their lives to ISIS and their surviving family members who have to deal with that reality!  

[stevenl]

8 minutes ago, baansgr said:

No, as she is no longer a British Citizen. 

Incorrect. She still is a British citizen, that is what this case is about. She can't be stripped of citizenship without the option to appeal.

[baansgr]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Incorrect. She still is a British citizen, that is what this case is about. She can't be stripped of citizenship without the option to appeal.

The case is actually about her wanting her British Citizenship reinstated so in fact she is no longer a British Citizen

[baansgr]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Incorrect. She still is a British citizen, that is what this case is about. She can't be stripped of citizenship without the option to appeal.

If she is still British, what's stopping her from returning?

[herfiehandbag]

2 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Disgusting, should be shot, ISIS traitor.

Without a trial?

 

2 hours ago, colinneil said:

What is the UK coming to?

 

Judges allowing a terrorist back into the country, bloody fools, they should be shot themselves for their stupidity.

She was stripped of her nationality by an administrative process. That process can be appealed through the courts, this is the first stage in that appeal process. 

 

The views which she has expressed are appalling, but they are the views of a teenager, who through her actions has demonstrated naivity and immaturity. Those views will most probably change with maturity.

 

She is as entitled to due process as you or I would be. The judges have acknowledged that. Very probably they find her views (then expressed) as abhorrent as you and I do, but they must set that aside and apply the law unpalatable as that may be!

 

If we ignore that we have sunk to the low of ISIS.

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, baansgr said:

The case is actually about her wanting her British Citizenship reinstated so in fact she is no longer a British Citizen

Not true, read the op. 

[Cake Monster]

Let Her challenge her Citizenship removal from Syria.

Its the place she chose to be, and have a child with an ISIS fighter, so that must now be her homeland.

She should also be paying for Her challenge with Syrian Legal Aid.

[sungod]

1 hour ago, Pravda said:

hi guys, how do I apply for UK citizenship?

First step, join Islamic State.

[pacovl46]

8 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Incorrect. She still is a British citizen, that is what this case is about. She can't be stripped of citizenship without the option to appeal.

The article clearly states that the UK have stripped her of her citizenship already. She has the right to appeal that, but as of right now she’s not a British citizen, unless the article is wrong. 

Edited July 17, 2020 by pacovl46

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, baansgr said:

If she is still British, what's stopping her from returning?

Again, read the op. Her citizenship was stripped, so she can not return. Now judges have decided that stripping of citizenship was not done according to the law, since she could not appeal the decision. So now she can return to appeal. If the decision to strip was lawful she will be expelled, if it was unlawful she can stay. If the latter, which I suspect, she will be tried in the UK.

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, pacovl46 said:

The article clearly states that the UK have stripped her of her citizenship already. She has the right to appeal that, but as of right now she’s not a British citizen, unless the article is wrong. 

The decision to strip was deemed unlawful, so she is British citizen until the decision to strip is upheld.