Britain nears abandoning Brexit trade deal hope - The Telegraph

[roo860]

1 hour ago, ukrules said:

The big change begins : https://www.gov.uk/government/news/home-secretary-appoints-small-boat-commander

Hopefully he'll bring some Royal Marines firepower with him.????????

[kingdong]

7 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You're probably right, at least for now, but the problem with the EU is that their freedom of movement pillar and the Schengen Zone encourages their own members to facilitate continuing and onward travel of migrants far too easily across Europe - notably from the south to north - ending with the formations of places such as the "Jungle" of Calais. Migrants who do not request asylum in the first 'safe' country avoid pressing that country to hold to The Dublin Agreement.

 

Do these migrants know that? Probably. 

further to your post whilst members of the eu, britain would be legally obliged to grant access to britain to eu citizens so  any eu country could have given a migrant a passport and a one way ticket to the uk and they,d have been nothing we could have done roll on 31st December

[7by7]

17 minutes ago, kingdong said:

herd mentality?think you,ve got flock of sheep mentality,i also consider it my duty not to aid and abet paedopile rings,so run along and do your "civic duty" and check your tv license is in date.

How is doing my civic duty when called upon herd and flock of sheep mentality?

 

How is doing my civic duty when called upon aiding and abetting paedophile rings?

 

We get it; you consider doing your duty a chore to be got out of by any means possible. 

[7by7]

17 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You're probably right, at least for now, but the problem with the EU is that their freedom of movement pillar and the Schengen Zone encourages their own members to facilitate continuing and onward travel of migrants far too easily across Europe - notably from the south to north - ending with the formations of places such as the "Jungle" of Calais. Migrants who do not request asylum in the first 'safe' country avoid pressing that country to hold to The Dublin Agreement.

 

Do these migrants know that? Probably. 

 You do have a point; but as the UK is not in the Schengen zone and never would be, then leaving or remaining in the EU would not make any difference.

[kingdong]

3 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

How is doing my civic duty when called upon herd and flock of sheep mentality?

 

How is doing my civic duty when called upon aiding and abetting paedophile rings?

 

We get it; you consider doing your duty a chore to be got out of by any means possible. 

drawing a line under it.

[7by7]

4 minutes ago, kingdong said:

further to your post whilst members of the eu, britain would be legally obliged to grant access to britain to eu citizens so  any eu country could have given a migrant a passport and a one way ticket to the uk and they,d have been nothing we could have done roll on 31st December

Technically true; provided the EU national was coming to exercise a treaty right.

 

It would, of course, take a major change in all EU member states to their own immigration laws for any refugee there to simply be given a passport.

 

More Brexiteer paranoia from you.

 

[kingdong]

2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Technically true; provided the EU national was coming to exercise a treaty right.

 

It would, of course, take a major change in all EU member states to their own immigration laws for any refugee there to simply be given a passport.

 

More Brexiteer paranoia from you.

 

zigger zagger zigger zagger hoi hoi hoi

[david555]

21 minutes ago, kingdong said:

further to your post whilst members of the eu, britain would be legally obliged to grant access to britain to eu citizens so  any eu country could have given a migrant a passport and a one way ticket to the uk and they,d have been nothing we could have done roll on 31st December

And still they come !...in their small dinghys.....i guess they know about " Operation Dunkirk " so they know it is possible to cross.....as the British has proven , so it is possible to reach British waters ...just a few miles .....the (dis)"advantage" of large territorial waters ????

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 9, 2020 by david555

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Real enough for all those cheeky cockney chappies who have abandoned their old 'Larndan. I was there a while ago and surprised to see how much of a Shiite hole it has descended into even close to the West End. Are you safely ensconced away from it all in Belgravia, or chattering with other labour voters in one of the gentrified boroughs? You sound like you may have moved to those nice middle class leafy suburbs.

 

The lure of free handouts and benefits is still the mainstay of the gimmigrants wherever they originate from and however they arrive in the UK. Not sure how you've managed to link them to Covid though? 

I'm surprised that you managed to leave your house given that you don't like foreigners; you don't like Londoners; you don't like the middle class and you probably don't like anyone from your hamlet. In fairness, it must be difficult moving around with that enormous chip on your shoulder.

[kingdong]

5 minutes ago, david555 said:

And still they come !...in their small dinghys.....i guess they know about " Operation Dunkirk " so they know it is possible to cross.....as the British has proven , so it is possible to reach British waters ...just a few miles .....the (dis)"advantage" of large territorial waters ????

 

 

 

 

 

 

i thought the royal navy were meant to protect our shorelines?

[nauseus]

22 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 You do have a point; but as the UK is not in the Schengen zone and never would be, then leaving or remaining in the EU would not make any difference.

Well thanks but I don't think that anyone could confidently say that the UK would never have joined the Schengen zone had we stayed in - it's like saying that the UK would never have joined the Euro! My point is that it is the EU itself, that has allowed and created this migrant problem in the English Channel. 

[ukrules]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

My point is that it is the EU itself, that has allowed and created this migrant problem in the English Channel.

Indeed, and we're not in the EU any more. The negotiations are about to end and the gloves are coming off.

[nauseus]

33 minutes ago, kingdong said:

further to your post whilst members of the eu, britain would be legally obliged to grant access to britain to eu citizens so  any eu country could have given a migrant a passport and a one way ticket to the uk and they,d have been nothing we could have done roll on 31st December

Yes. I know. 

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, ukrules said:

Indeed, and we're not in the EU any more. The negotiations are about to end and the gloves are coming off.

I don't know how many rounds there will be in that match but as far as migrants are concerned, I'm afraid it won't make much difference for a while.

[kingdong]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Yes. I know. 

my post was directed at people who didn,t know or chose not to know.

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 

Who was your guide on your trip to London? The thug in your avatar?

 

As a resident of a town with a large Muslim population; as a frequent visitor to all parts of London from the City to Brent, your description bears no relation to reality.

He'll take you too if you asked him - it would be like going up the Khyber for you.

[Loiner]

26 minutes ago, RayC said:

I'm surprised that you managed to leave your house given that you don't like foreigners; you don't like Londoners; you don't like the middle class and you probably don't like anyone from your hamlet. In fairness, it must be difficult moving around with that enormous chip on your shoulder.

No chips on our shoulders, cos we've eaten them all with gravy and curry sauce. Bring on the next course.

[7by7]

27 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Well thanks but I don't think that anyone could confidently say that the UK would never have joined the Schengen zone had we stayed in - it's like saying that the UK would never have joined the Euro! My point is that it is the EU itself, that has allowed and created this migrant problem in the English Channel. 

 The UK's opt out of the Schengen zone, like the RoI's, is enshrined in the Schengen Acquis and hence EU law.

 

Both countries, or just the RoI now, could decide to opt in, but cannot be forced to do so. The RoI is unlikely to do so as it values the CTA more. Although with the Johnson/Cummings sell out of Northern Ireland and placing a border down the Irish Sea, who knows? 

 

The UK's opt out of the Euro zone was likewise enshrined in EU law and we could not have been forced to join. Just as Denmark who also opted out cannot be forced to join.

 

It is the Schengen zone and rules with it's open borders which has allowed a substantial number of refugees to reach the pas de Calais; true. But if you look at these UNHCR figures you will see that those arriving in the Pas de Calais and attempting to cross into the UK are a fraction of all refugees arriving in Europe.

 

Many of those who get to France stay and lodge their asylum applications there: 128,940 in 2019 (source) Compare that to the estimated 4000 who have crossed the channel so far this year. Take a lot more attempts in the 3 and a half months remaining to get anywhere near that figure!

[cliveshep]

I thought most of us who voted for Brexit expected and wanted us to simply say "Up yours EU, we're out of here!" We did not expect that puerile wizened old witch person Theresa May to cock-it up so completely but that is what you get when politicians won't put the country first - they elect the most utterly useless old woman as Party Leader when she was already heading for "the-most-hated-Minister-in-the-British-Government" award.

 

So apart from throwing away 4 years, a period in which Mark Carney became known quite rightly as "Carnage Carney" in the BoE the only joy was that Labour also had their personality problems, like Arabs at a camel fair were totally unable to agree on anything or anyone for a leader and picked the one person guaranteed to destroy any credibility they might have had left - Corbyn. And he in turn chose as a shadow home secretary his ex mistress, a woman with the attention span of a goldfish, an inability to find a pair of matching shoes, the lack of wit to see she had two left feet and an astonishing ability to not only be unable to add two and two but put both of those left feet in her mouth at the same time.

 

So when everyone had finally had enough of the two-faced witch woman and it came to an election in despair the Tories chose Boris the bumbler who decided to campaign on "Brexit now no excuses" while Corbyn pulled the plug on his own ship and sank it.

 

Boris acts the idiot, but is I suspect nobody's fool, and he did deliver what most of us wanted - a no-deal "go sex and travel EU" type Brexit. Now, if he has the balls to protect our borders and send back the various sandpit dwellers purporting to be refugees and also protect our fisheries we'll be well on the way to becoming a prosperous nation again outside a corrupt EU.

 

He'll have to deal with that fish-face woman up North somehow because she has a death-wish for Scotland though. I'm surprised the Scots are still apparently fooled by her and her foolish claims of independence and EU membership to come. Just won't happen!

[RayC]

43 minutes ago, Loiner said:

No chips on our shoulders, cos we've eaten them all with gravy and curry sauce. Bring on the next course.

And that's all the thanks we get for all the handouts that we give you!

 

 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/checked-out/84933/does-london-really-subsidise-the-uk%3famp

[david555]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

i thought the royal navy were meant to protect our shorelines?

The U.K. face the same problem now as the E.U. face in the Mediterranean sea ……on  humanitarian grounds it becomes impossible to stop them . as soon a vessel is near they become a sudden in problem..., and risking to drown …., already the first voices against driving them back or stopping them appear in your media …. probably from lawyers side …., remember how long it took to deport that Muslim terrorism promoting cleric 

… years !

Same we in E.U. facing...

United Nations refugee laws are overhauled by Time , they now are used for economic gains , and used by gangs to make big money...

 

After the first drownings who would happen by interference from R.Navy to stop them , the N.G.O.'s ships would appear in the North Sea channel ,to help them as big taxi crossing as they do in the Mediterranean Sea...

Sad but true ,same as our  E.U. Frontex  experienced 

[Rookiescot]

39 minutes ago, cliveshep said:

I thought most of us who voted for Brexit expected and wanted us to simply say "Up yours EU, we're out of here!" We did not expect that puerile wizened old witch person Theresa May to cock-it up so completely but that is what you get when politicians won't put the country first - they elect the most utterly useless old woman as Party Leader when she was already heading for "the-most-hated-Minister-in-the-British-Government" award.

 

So apart from throwing away 4 years, a period in which Mark Carney became known quite rightly as "Carnage Carney" in the BoE the only joy was that Labour also had their personality problems, like Arabs at a camel fair were totally unable to agree on anything or anyone for a leader and picked the one person guaranteed to destroy any credibility they might have had left - Corbyn. And he in turn chose as a shadow home secretary his ex mistress, a woman with the attention span of a goldfish, an inability to find a pair of matching shoes, the lack of wit to see she had two left feet and an astonishing ability to not only be unable to add two and two but put both of those left feet in her mouth at the same time.

 

So when everyone had finally had enough of the two-faced witch woman and it came to an election in despair the Tories chose Boris the bumbler who decided to campaign on "Brexit now no excuses" while Corbyn pulled the plug on his own ship and sank it.

 

Boris acts the idiot, but is I suspect nobody's fool, and he did deliver what most of us wanted - a no-deal "go sex and travel EU" type Brexit. Now, if he has the balls to protect our borders and send back the various sandpit dwellers purporting to be refugees and also protect our fisheries we'll be well on the way to becoming a prosperous nation again outside a corrupt EU.

 

He'll have to deal with that fish-face woman up North somehow because she has a death-wish for Scotland though. I'm surprised the Scots are still apparently fooled by her and her foolish claims of independence and EU membership to come. Just won't happen!

And at any point in that opinionated rant did you ever stop to think.

"hey maybe I'm wrong here about stuff"?

Scotland is going independent and we can leave people like you far behind.

Enjoy your little Engurlund Brexit paradise. 

[elliss]

On 7/23/2020 at 11:37 AM, Snow Leopard said:

Maybe Starmer can mend everything that is wrong with the UK by putting a request in to Jim'll Fix It.  

    Starmer, what a disappointment he has been .

     However that said  after Corbyn,   Basil Brush  would be an improvement ..

 

Edited August 9, 2020 by elliss

[jadee]

The UK and Japan have agreed a free trade deal in principle - maybe other countries will follow suit. I think covid has changed everything; the assumption that the UK will do badly outside the EU isn't as strong as before. There's a global pushback against globalized supply chains, many countries are looking to onshore more production. 

I agree, there will probably be another referendum if Sturgeon wins. 

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Scotland is going independent and we can leave people like you far behind.

That's another way covid has changed things: during the last recessions, the economic factors played a part, but as both economies are currently depressed, it matters less. The UK has just officially entered recession (two consecutive quarters of shrinking growth) - GDP plunged 21% in the second quarter. Many companies are coming under severe financial stress, so the path for an independent Scotland is paved. 

[Scott]

Posts with aberrant names of politicians' names have been removed.   Please use the correct names. 

 

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

And at any point in that opinionated rant did you ever stop to think.

"hey maybe I'm wrong here about stuff"?

Scotland is going independent and we can leave people like you far behind.

Enjoy your little Engurlund Brexit paradise. 

Not a rant.....a work of art. ????

[kingdong]

6 hours ago, david555 said:

The U.K. face the same problem now as the E.U. face in the Mediterranean sea ……on  humanitarian grounds it becomes impossible to stop them . as soon a vessel is near they become a sudden in problem..., and risking to drown …., already the first voices against driving them back or stopping them appear in your media …. probably from lawyers side …., remember how long it took to deport that Muslim terrorism promoting cleric 

… years !

Same we in E.U. facing...

United Nations refugee laws are overhauled by Time , they now are used for economic gains , and used by gangs to make big money...

 

After the first drownings who would happen by interference from R.Navy to stop them , the N.G.O.'s ships would appear in the North Sea channel ,to help them as big taxi crossing as they do in the Mediterranean Sea...

Sad but true ,same as our  E.U. Frontex  experienced 

then the outdated laws must be changed to cater to this current scenario.the first law could be introduced could be no asylum to anyone who tries to enter uk illegally,sent straight back that would soon put the people traffickers out of work.

Edited August 9, 2020 by kingdong

[kingdong]

6 hours ago, jadee said:

so the path for an independent Scotland is paved. 

so they can go cap in hand to the eu to rejoin????

[david555]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

then the outdated laws must be changed to cater to this current scenario.the first law could be introduced could be no asylum to anyone who tries to enter uk illegally,sent straight back that would soon put the people traffickers out of work.

Up to the United Nstions to go change those International laws ....

 

Good luck for that .... i guess you are in for a long " invasion " .....just as the E.U. is on the other Sea

Sending back those ..?

 

Some carry already several documents "order to leave the x territory ...." which they did by that way ....just following a legal order ..lawyers would claim ...

 

Extra problem is now U.K. is a third country ... so the before aliance treaty's are void ...especially 31 December ...

 

Inherent on ..."No deal brexit..."

You are on your own to handle it i  fear same as us E.U.

 

 

...?

 

 

Edited August 9, 2020 by david555

[kingdong]

2 hours ago, david555 said:

Up to the United Nstions to go change those International laws ....

 

Good luck for that .... i guess you are in for a long " invasion " .....just as the E.U. is on the other Sea

Sending back those ..?

 

Some carry already several documents "order to leave the x territory ...." which they did by that way ....just following a legal order ..lawyers would claim ...

 

Extra problem is now U.K. is a third country ... so the before aliance treaty's are void ...especially 31 December ...

 

Inherent on ..."No deal brexit..."

You are on your own to handle it i  fear same as us E.U.

 

 

...?

 

 

we're on our own to handle it,well if the eus antics so far are anything to go by just as well,think a swing to the right is in the post.........