The ol: "I wait you darling"...but how long to keep it up?

[rvaviator]

Let me chip in with how I see it ...

 

I am pretty sure that it will be < 12 months before you can get back.  You got Putin and his crew out with a vaccine of some sort ... and in the next 3 to 6 months you will have other countries joining as well.

 

If you knew .. with 90% certainty that it would be < 12  months ... would you still be sending her support ?  No matter how little ... its more than nothing ...  and if she is appreciative and she does communicate with you regularly. 

 

Would you still pay ?

 

[OneMoreFarang]

19 hours ago, pookondee said:

About the girl calling the guys country:

It sounds more like a bargirl thing,

so maybe its a case of Kharma finally kicking in.

 

When it comes to foreign boyfriends, a lot of these girls have been telling and living the most horrible of lies for years and getting away with it.

 

Brothers who are actually husbands and sleeping in the spare room of house you bought, a prime example.

( thats if you believe that sort of thing ever really happened)

 

It might sound callous to some, but its only logical to me.

a few guys have learnt from the worst and devious of female liars,

so its only natural the BG types are gonna get a bit of their own medicine back at some stage.

Yes, correct.

 

And let's not forget the guys who think they are together with a good girl.

No, my girl is not from a bar. I met her in a disco.

And my one worked in a restaurant.

And my one has a proper job.

Too many guys think only bar girls tell the lies. And too many guys think because a girl has a "proper" job or has a little bit of money that means she is always honest. Yeah, maybe. But maybe not. Don't assume too much.

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, pookondee said:

Funny,  as most threads go on;  how it soon becomes obvious that most posters get on here and mouth off without reading any of the details!

That's because the story is always the same, even if the details differ.

[bwpage3]

21 hours ago, pookondee said:

I was trying to avoid mentioning a figure or that would likely start a piรรing match we all see on here.

What i will say is: from what i read here in past, guys seem to accept that 10k per month is a norm.

maybe some even above that.

 

In this case it wasnt even asked for.

She has 1 kid, who, at the time, was having a birthday and there was "back to school" stuff also being bought.

So i sent it as a "one off", but seeing how it was chump change to me, i kept the habit going.

I will say, it was below the figure i mentioned above though.

So i will be ready for all the cheap Charlie comments now. 

555

10,000 baht is chump change

 

Imagine you were her and that is all you had to live on?

[bwpage3]

8 hours ago, pookondee said:

That is a point i never considered, but there is not many bars where she's at in Isaan. none actually.

 

But there's nothing to stop her scouring the dating websites for that matter, and meeting up with guys in other locations.

 

I have no doubt that's exactly what many of the BGs or potential BGs are doing right now, since the bars aint exactly kicking on  with mass tourism.

 

Any Thai girl who's farang bf is stuck back home could have a Thai guy or 2 on hand also, for a bit of comfort, so the possibilities are endless.  

 

To be thinking "mine is different" is the ultimate stupidity and naievity IMO.

They are all capable of it, even if i had the absolute best of "good girls"

i wouldnt be ruling that stuff out.

 

If i was expecting to be returning in 3 months myself, i wouldn't even be asking the question.

 

But for some reason, i am less inclined to go along with all this,

IF this banning of international travel and/or near impossible entry conditions to Thailand is going to drag on for years and years.

What kind of relationship has no trust and if you don't trust her, why are you on here spilling the beans?

[scammed]

2 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

10,000 baht is chump change

 

Imagine you were her and that is all you had to live on?

its a balance between greed and laziness,

the laziest will be content with sleeping,

the greediest will go straight to a gogo bar and make 100k per month

while still collecting the 10k handout, and then you have every step in between

[bwpage3]

8 hours ago, kingofthemountain said:

There is at least a bar in most of every small  village in Thailand

you guys on the forum forget that the foreigners are not the only

customers on the market

 

Total BS!

 

No bars in my wife's village, not even a shop.

 

38km to nearest 7/11

 

Isaan boonies

[Pravda]

1 minute ago, bwpage3 said:

Total BS!

 

No bars in my wife's village, not even a shop.

 

38km to nearest 7/11

 

Isaan boonies

 

Yours is different 

[bwpage3]

18 hours ago, pookondee said:

I hear you, but half the amount would hardly be worth sending, even by cheap Charlie standards.

Id spend more on a decent night out in Bkk and she knows it.

 

Money aside, Its actually more to the point of how long will all this  BS go on?

 

If they turned around and announced:

"no farang tourists to enter Thailand for 2 years"

OR indefinately..

 

Or they keep these entry conditions so tough that it becomes out of the question for the average punter to go..

 

Then how long can one keep up this dance of just video chat and messages up before it becomes just to futile and frustrating?

 

As an earlier poster mentioned, it is nice to have the gf contact, to keep up hope and good spirits about missing Thailand and your peeps

 but at the same time, at some point, the whole thing must become pointless.

 

With what seems like absolute Covid paranoia and fear rife in Thailand right now,

AND the crazy xenophobia about foreigners, it really is hard to imagine things EVER getting back to a kind of normal where we can go and visit gfs again.

 

Got married in Thailand.

 

Moved back to the US to sponsor wife's US marriage visa application.

 

That took 16 months apart.

 

Now she is a US citizen.

 

You sound like since you can't be with her because of CV it is her fault?

 

Maybe you should be thinking about what kept you with her for 3 or 4 years?

 

There are hardships in life, it is how you handle them that matters.

 

 

 

 

[bwpage3]

20 hours ago, pookondee said:

As a rule, i do agree with that theory and ive actually said the same kind of words myself.

so i am wary of that, which is why i aint one of those tool-heads sending 20,000 baht per month or more.

 

In my case i had been earning good (pre Covid anyway) and id say the amounts i sent werent even 5% of my monthly take.

 

But things are changing with the financials tho, which is why i ask the question.

 

As i said, one cant just keep throwing money in a bottomless pit if this is Corona BS is gonna be going on for years without any chance of getting into Thailand and of course the chances go up that your so called "tee-rack" will be out looking for other company.

 

Anyway, even when it only be chump change, it still adds up over time.

People don't talk about chump change adding up over time, unless it REALLY bothers them.

 

You have a constant theme that money bothers you in all of this?

 

When I moved back the USA to sponsor my wife's marriage visa, I was sending 120,000 baht back per month. (2013 baht rate) She still had to maintain the house, kids tuition, car, same standard of living as if I was there.

 

Have a wife and kid that I love. Why the hell wouldn't I want to take care of them?

 

One of the reasons, which you really don't seem to get, is you stay with someone because you want to, because you love them, because you have a family together or want a family together.

 

They have to survive too.

 

However, if you are to selfish to understand that, she will be much better off without you.

 

There are 2 sides to every coin.

 

There are many expats that have been happily married over 20 years and take care of their wives and kids.

 

There are many that got married in Thailand and divorced, probably expecting the wife to bow down in their presence mentality.

 

A woman is a woman. If you treat them right and they are a good woman, they will treat you right. That explains why lots of men can stay married over 20+ years.

 

The couple of friends I still keep contact with, both married Isaan women and have great families and lives.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BritManToo]

29 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

I was sending 120,000 baht back per month.

There are many that got married in Thailand and divorced, probably expecting the wife to bow down in their presence mentality.

If you sent me 120k/month I'd certainly bow down in your presence.

And maybe the occasional BJ thrown in while I was down there.

Edited August 15, 2020 by BritManToo

[BritManToo]

48 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

What kind of relationship has no trust and if you don't trust her, why are you on here spilling the beans?

Never trust the person you're sleeping with.

That's a basic rule of life.

[473geo]

9 hours ago, pookondee said:

That is a point i never considered, but there is not many bars where she's at in Isaan. none actually.

 

But there's nothing to stop her scouring the dating websites for that matter, and meeting up with guys in other locations.

 

I have no doubt that's exactly what many of the BGs or potential BGs are doing right now, since the bars aint exactly kicking on  with mass tourism.

 

Any Thai girl who's farang bf is stuck back home could have a Thai guy or 2 on hand also, for a bit of comfort, so the possibilities are endless.  

 

To be thinking "mine is different" is the ultimate stupidity and naievity IMO.

They are all capable of it, even if i had the absolute best of "good girls"

i wouldnt be ruling that stuff out.

 

If i was expecting to be returning in 3 months myself, i wouldn't even be asking the question.

 

But for some reason, i am less inclined to go along with all this,

IF this banning of international travel and/or near impossible entry conditions to Thailand is going to drag on for years and years.

Ah you are listening to, and absorbing the typical Tvisa folklore, it is making you suspicious, you are done because your suspicions are removing the pleasure of taking care of her and the child.

It happens, long distance relationships are not handled well by all.

 

[1FinickyOne]

On 8/14/2020 at 4:46 PM, pookondee said:

but if you are not getting anything out of it than why keep it up?

kindness, sympathy caring, just a few of many reasons - but it seems you don't care, so why bother. 

[pookondee]

8 hours ago, kingofthemountain said:

3-6 months she could be considered like a good girl

most of the time they can't wait more than 3-6 days

 

Do you know why they still insist to go with you to the Suvaranhbumi airport

when you go back to your country?

1\ they want to be 100% sure you are in the plane and your flight is not delayed

2\ they can go to the arrivals hall and welcome the next already on the list

3\ they are also hoping to relieve you of the 7,000 leftover baht you had in your wallet, because

"you wont really be needing that where you are going"

555

[pookondee]

11 hours ago, ChipButty said:

When I first arrived in Thailand many moons ago and the 2nd day I met this woman who opened my eyes pretty fast as to what goes on here especially in BKK this one was switched on spoke English and Japanese she had her own car and house how she made her money was translating all the emails for the girls around Nana Plaza she had her own little internet shop them Farangs where like Lambs to the slaughter  

One of my first experiences in Bkk, doing the "gf experience" as it were.

Me and the "pick of the night" were doing the rounds of a few bars on the way back to my hotel.

She must of been getting restless and wanted 300baht to go buy toiletries at a 7/11.

There was a loudmouth Aussie listening in on the next table, saying:

 

" ahh.. dont be a tight-สrse, give it to her, she only wants to get nice for you" etc

 

so i hand her a 500 baht note.

 

Of course, she never came back. never to be seen again.

 555

A few of the attitudes on here kinda remind me of that.

555

 

 

 

[pookondee]

2 hours ago, bwpage3 said:

People don't talk about chump change adding up over time, unless it REALLY bothers them.

 

You have a constant theme that money bothers you in all of this?

 

When I moved back the USA to sponsor my wife's marriage visa, I was sending 120,000 baht back per month. (2013 baht rate) She still had to maintain the house, kids tuition, car, same standard of living as if I was there.

 

Have a wife and kid that I love. Why the hell wouldn't I want to take care of them?

 

One of the reasons, which you really don't seem to get, is you stay with someone because you want to, because you love them, because you have a family together or want a family together.

 

They have to survive too.

 

However, if you are to selfish to understand that, she will be much better off without you.

 

There are 2 sides to every coin.

 

There are many expats that have been happily married over 20 years and take care of their wives and kids.

 

There are many that got married in Thailand and divorced, probably expecting the wife to bow down in their presence mentality.

 

A woman is a woman. If you treat them right and they are a good woman, they will treat you right. That explains why lots of men can stay married over 20+ years.

 

The couple of friends I still keep contact with, both married Isaan women and have great families and lives.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its the kind of grand naievity i talk about.

Ok if you obscenely rich right now but it can never last forever with that sort of attitude.

 

One day you could well be on the steps of a 7/11 with not even 2x100 baht notes to rub together.

You will be thinking of EVERY bundle of 120k piรรed away, recounting every month and the grand total..

while trying to begging for 75 baht from passers by for a beer Chang.

555

[kingofthemountain]

2 hours ago, bwpage3 said:

Total BS!

 

No bars in my wife's village, not even a shop.

 

38km to nearest 7/11

 

Isaan boonies

Re read slowly my post and

try to understand the difference between ''most'' and ''all''

 

Done?

ok, now we can agree some of the smallest villages 

don't have a bar (Even if it's probably possible to find a place in the vicinity to

where to buy and drink alcool, not all the ''bars'' have a big sign with BAR writed 

in front of the building, particularly in the boonies where i was during 5 years)

 

you are welcome

 

 

[kingofthemountain]

2 hours ago, bwpage3 said:

When I moved back the USA to sponsor my wife's marriage visa, I was sending 120,000 baht back per month. (2013 baht rate) She still had to maintain the house, kids tuition, car, same standard of living as if I was there.

 

Have a wife and kid that I love. Why the hell wouldn't I want to take care of them?

 

One of the reasons, which you really don't seem to get, is you stay with someone because you want to, because you love them, because you have a family together or want a family together.

 

They have to survive too.

Obviously you was in the highest category

living the life and runing in the sky with the stars

 

it's not at all the case here

in the OP case it's a farm girl living in Issan

Do you know someone can easily ''survive'' with

less than 5000\month in the village? 

 

Even the Thai govermement thinks the olders people can survive

with the actual allowance of 500 bahts\month, which is a little bit too tight imo

[elliss]

On 8/14/2020 at 8:02 PM, Bangkokazy said:

Why send money to someone you know is basically fooling you. Thai ladies know all the tricks to milking you empty.
You are the gateway to the white world.
Thai girls give a <deleted> about you. You are the first step to a better life.

 

 Isaan .  Thats a starter for Ten ..

  Some 18 years ago , I was a regular annual holiday visitor , aka sex tourist to Pattaya.

  She , lady bar,  usual questions , where you from , answer UK .

  Me , usual questions , where you from , answer Issan ..

  Me , where the fkc  is Issan , i though the Lady ment Islam ...

 

  So in due time , i made the pilgrimage from Pattaya to Isaan,   a well troden path ..

  Hoping to find the jungle bunny , freshly fallen from the tree.  A good one ...

 

  On reflection , the learning curve , had just begun . 

  Nothing ventured , nothing gained ...

  Know in later life , i have only fond memories.   And a Kindle, so sad ...555

 

 

   

    

..

.

         

 

Edited August 15, 2020 by elliss
spelling

[pookondee]

2 minutes ago, kingofthemountain said:

Re read slowly my post and

try to understand the difference between ''most'' and ''all''

 

Done?

ok, now we can agree some of the smallest villages 

don't have a bar (Even if it's probably possible to find a place in the vicinity to

where to buy and drink alcool, not all the ''bars'' have a big sign with BAR writed 

in front of the building, particularly in the boonies where i was during 5 years)

 

you are welcome

 

 

Aye, not that i ever mongered around Isaan much, as i was always under the watchful eye of you know who..

But if you are that way inclined, your best bet was the sois surrounding the bus station of the particular town. 

There always be something, even if its just a massage joint with a table out the front with a few old stragglers drinking LEO.

 

[kingofthemountain]

3 hours ago, bwpage3 said:

10,000 baht is chump change

 

Imagine you were her and that is all you had to live on?

in her situation i could be able to put 5000 in the bank every month

5000 is more than enough when you are in a village farm, with no rent

no food to pay (Or very little) nothing to spend on (No restaurant, no shopping

no bar and so on), the only costs are internet (400 bhts/month with TOT) and

a little bit of gasoline for the scooter, what else?

[kingofthemountain]

2 minutes ago, pookondee said:

Aye, not that i ever mongered around Isaan much, as i was always under the watchful eye of you know who..

But if you are that way inclined, your best bet was the sois surrounding the bus station of the particular town. 

There always be something, even if its just a massage joint with a table out the front with a few old stragglers drinking LEO.

 

I know

even in my small village (800 people) i had managed to find

(After 2 or 3 years in the place) at least 3 girls available for P4P

but i haven't this problem anymore, i live now in Pattaya where 

the most difficult is to say NO to the multiple offers and promotions

[kingofthemountain]

1 hour ago, pookondee said:

One of my first experiences in Bkk, doing the "gf experience" as it were.

Me and the "pick of the night" were doing the rounds of a few bars on the way back to my hotel.

She must of been getting restless and wanted 300baht to go buy toiletries at a 7/11.

There was a loudmouth Aussie listening in on the next table, saying:

 

" ahh.. dont be a tight-สrse, give it to her, she only wants to get nice for you" etc

 

so i hand her a 500 baht note.

 

Of course, she never came back. never to be seen again.

 555

A few of the attitudes on here kinda remind me of that.

555

 

 

 

Rule number 12 for the experimented punter

 

on the way to your bed with the girl

if she wants to stop at a 7\11, always wait

her in front of the shop

 

there is only 1 door so she can not escape or disapear

(Only the staff can use the emergency door)

and never enter with her then you don't have to pay a full 

basket of useless products.

 

Anyway seeing you not go inside with her

after some seconds she suddenly realises she doesn't want

to buy something, or she is back quicly with a stuff at 10 or 20 bahts

just for the face saving

Edited August 15, 2020 by kingofthemountain

[pookondee]

9 minutes ago, kingofthemountain said:

Obviously you was in the highest category

living the life and runing in the sky with the stars

 

it's not at all the case here

in the OP case it's a farm girl living in Issan

Do you know someone can easily ''survive'' with

less than 5000\month in the village? 

 

Even the Thai govermement thinks the olders people can survive

with the actual allowance of 500 bahts\month, which is a little bit too tight imo

5,000 is completely doable for a 3-4 (Thai) family on a farm, and id say they would even have a bit left over for the next month.

Remember many dont pay rent, maybe a few hundred baht for power and water.

 

But with a farang?..

absolutely no way. Id spend more than that on just Heinekin alone.

 

The guy talking about sending 120k a month must be just trolling though.

thats just complete and utter lunacy.

 

IMO its crazy getting Thais accustomed to those sort of spending habits when its YOUR hard earned going down the toilet. 

For sure they be gambling most, and/or giving it away to family no hopers.

 

Although i hope it doesn't happen to that guy, but i fear that is how the Pattaya balcony diver club members start out.

 

[misterjames]

Anyone else noticed that all these guys that hand over cash to these gold diggers and try and justify it by saying they are full of kindness, sympathy caring (whilst simultaneously attacking all other foreigners on Thaivisa) appear to be the most most miserable unhappy people on planet earth? ????

 

Ironic isn't it? perhaps they think that if they repeat the same nonsense for long enough they can convince themselves that they are not the suckers they so clearly are. Stop trying to justify your dysfunctional relationships to us and treat them for what they are, you never know it might cheer you up a bit once you get your head around what your teerak really thinks of you.

 

 

Edited August 15, 2020 by misterjames

[473geo]

4 minutes ago, misterjames said:

Anyone else noticed that all these guys that hand over loads of cash to these gold diggers and try and justify it by saying they are full of kindness, sympathy caring for these women (while simultaneously putting down all other foreigners on Thaivisa) are the most ironically the miserable people on here ????

 

Ironic isn't it? perhaps they think that if they repeat the same nonsense for long enough they can convince themselves that they are not suckers that are being miked and that teerak lub really does lub them ????

 

 

 

I'm sure the guys that hand over loads of cash are bowled over by the comments on this thread from the cream of the crop ???? still dining out on the tale of a bar girl taking off with a staggering 500 baht, or how to keep the cost down on a visit to 7-11 ????

[misterjames]

8 minutes ago, 473geo said:

I'm sure the guys that hand over loads of cash are bowled over by the comments on this thread from the cream of the crop ???? still dining out on the tale of a bar girl taking off with a staggering 500 baht, or how to keep the cost down on a visit to 7-11 ????

Was my comment a bit to close to home for you @473geo????? hahaha

 

Well I've never been with a bar girl and I don't buy girls same as if I was dating a girl back home I'm not into fishy demolished issan vag anyway I'd rather fap tbh ???? but each to their own.

 

 

Edited August 15, 2020 by misterjames

[Matzzon]

On 8/14/2020 at 11:46 AM, pookondee said:

We have heard it all before.

Yes, unfortunately we have. And now you repeat the same stupidity.

I just don´t get you. So, you are giving her money for get something out of it. You mean like you pay a prostitute anyway, but it just not feel that way when she is with mama and papa. Really?

I thought you were giving her money because you liked her or even loved her. Why in the world would you send money from abroad otherwise? Then you could just have a new one everytime, and just pretend that because she is with you all the time you are in Thailand it ain´t so bad.

[473geo]

5 minutes ago, misterjames said:

Was my comment a bit to close to home for you @473geo????? hahaha

 

Well I've never been with a bar girl and I don't buy girls same as if I was dating a girl back home I'm not into fishy demolished issan vag anyway I'd rather fap tbh ???? but each to their own.

You don't know what you are missing, once you get above the waiting outside 7 - 11 or 500 baht level.

Limited experience has never been a good basis for commenting on a topic, in my opinion, but keep trying. perhaps the gap in your experience and knowledge can be covered with a little more reading and imagination.