Trump must give his tax returns to NY prosecutor, judge rules

[rcummings]

2 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Of course he can hand over his returns while they are under audit.

 

I think that rudy g., among others, have revealed that the audits are complete, save for 2019.

 

Deducting the $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels, via subtrefuge (funneled to cohen) probably wasn't a wise move?

 

 

 

 

And in further news re Stormy Daniels and Trump:

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-stormy-daniels-e-jean-carroll-trump-sharks-20200822-vwjjrivglrfoblpw3a6xatxl2m-story.html

 

 

[Proboscis]

On 8/21/2020 at 3:40 PM, Bluespunk said:

Why’s that trump?

 

Other presidents have done this without suffering. 
 

Or do you have something to hide...

Not true. Other recent presidents of the USA just handed over their tax returns. No quibbles. No ifs. No buts. Democrats, Republicans. Trump is the exception.

[mtls2005]

On 8/22/2020 at 2:59 PM, rcummings said:

And in further news re Stormy Daniels and Trump:

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-stormy-daniels-e-jean-carroll-trump-sharks-20200822-vwjjrivglrfoblpw3a6xatxl2m-story.html

 

 

 

trump is notorious for stiffing everyone on bills. I doubt Ms. Daniels will ever get a penny (more) from trump, let alone $43,000.

 

Maybe he'll pay in "mushrooms"?

 

If so, a heftier price to pay for 90 seconds of pleasure, while the third wife, and fifth child were at home. But he did get spanked, so there's that.

 

 

[Tippaporn]

Is everyone sure this celebration isn't premature?  Trump’s personal attorney Jay Sekulow said, “We will be filing a stay and an appeal.”

[Skallywag]

Haven't read replies, yet I would think it very easy to get Trump returns from the IRS, instead of waiting for POTUS.  Seems simple to me, get a copy from the IRS where they are filed.

[Bluespunk]

51 minutes ago, Proboscis said:

Not true. Other recent presidents of the USA just handed over their tax returns. No quibbles. No ifs. No buts. Democrats, Republicans. Trump is the exception.

Erm, that’s what I said. 

[rcummings]

5 hours ago, Skallywag said:

Haven't read replies, yet I would think it very easy to get Trump returns from the IRS, instead of waiting for POTUS.  Seems simple to me, get a copy from the IRS where they are filed.

Against the law. Tax return privacy is very strictly protected. That said, there is a law that allows the chairperson of the House Ways and Means Committee to look at them. Trump has resisted.

[Morch]

6 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Is everyone sure this celebration isn't premature?  Trump’s personal attorney Jay Sekulow said, “We will be filing a stay and an appeal.”

 

Don't recall you holding off "celebrating" whenever a shred of something potentially positive to Trump or negative to his opponents is reported on. Even when such things are mere rumors, or musings by Trump himself. This whole wait-and-see thing....you're doing it wrong.

[Sujo]

6 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Is everyone sure this celebration isn't premature?  Trump’s personal attorney Jay Sekulow said, “We will be filing a stay and an appeal.”

The same jay sekulow who argued in the supreme court about this, and lost.

[rcummings]

10 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Don't recall you holding off "celebrating" whenever a shred of something potentially positive to Trump or negative to his opponents is reported on. Even when such things are mere rumors, or musings by Trump himself. This whole wait-and-see thing....you're doing it wrong.

And take the Clinesmith case. Just because he was found guilty by a jury, does that mean he's really guilty if he plans to appeal the verdict to a higher court? Guess not.

[Pattaya Spotter]

This ruling can (and will) be appealed like any other...it is just one [partisan] jurist's opinion.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

5 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

This ruling can (and will) be appealed like any other...it is just one [partisan] jurist's opinion.

 

That's pretty much been upheld previously by both the appellate courts, and ultimately the Supreme Court that rejected Trump's claim of immunity.

 

Also, in this case, AFAIK, the judge the other day denied a request by Trump's attorney's for a stay of his ruling, taking the public position that Trump was simply engaging in delaying tactics to avoid the inevitable.

 

What With the recordings surfacing of Trump's former federal judge sister saying he has "no principles" and is cruel, and with Steve Bannon being indicted by the feds for fraudulently diverting and spending private funds donated for Trump's border wall, it's been another bad week for the liar in chief.

 

[Scott]

Off-topic posts removed along with replies.

 

[stevenl]

And now it has been released that in another case Eric Trump has taken the fifth. Didn't Trump say only guilty people do that?

 

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/08/24/eric-trump-fifth-amendment.html

Edited August 25, 2020 by stevenl

[mtls2005]

22 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Is everyone sure this celebration isn't premature?  Trump’s personal attorney Jay Sekulow said, “We will be filing a stay and an appeal.”

 

Ah yes, the response of someone who has nothing to hide.

 

 

[mtls2005]

12 minutes ago, stevenl said:

And now it has been released that in another case Eric Trump has taken the fifth. Didn't Trump say only guilty people do that?

 

eric will do well in prison I think. He'll join the Aryan Nation and be the Grand Wizard's 'boy'.

 

 

 

 

[Pattaya Spotter]

23 hours ago, Skallywag said:

Haven't read replies, yet I would think it very easy to get Trump returns from the IRS, instead of waiting for POTUS.  Seems simple to me, get a copy from the IRS where they 

People's income tax returns filed are protected by privacy laws...even if you're a Republican. 

[Pattaya Spotter]

14 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

That's pretty much been upheld previously by both the appellate courts, and ultimately the Supreme Court that rejected Trump's claim of immunity.

 

Also, in this case, AFAIK, the judge the other day denied a request by Trump's attorney's for a stay of his ruling, taking the public position that Trump was simply engaging in delaying tactics to avoid the inevitable.

 

What With the recordings surfacing of Trump's former federal judge sister saying he has "no principles" and is cruel, and with Steve Bannon being indicted by the feds for fraudulently diverting and spending private funds donated for Trump's border wall, it's been another bad week for the liar in chief.

 

I take it from your post you're not a lawyer...the issue re Trump's tax returns that was decided recently by the Supreme Court was totally different than the issues in the current case. The SC issue was if the president was even subject to judicial process while in office...the current case concerns the breath and scope of the subpoena issued in the Manhattan DA's investigation. Ms. Berry's opinions and Mr. Bannon's legal embrolio have nothing to do with the Trump subpoena case.

[mtls2005]

3 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

the issue re Trump's tax returns that was decided recently by the Supreme Court was totally different than the issues in the current case. The SC issue was if the president was even subject to judicial process while in office...the current case concerns the breath and scope of the subpoena issued in the Manhattan DA's investigation.

 

I know. Right.

 

Who can keep up with all the cases?

 

I know I can't.

 

 

[Pattaya Spotter]

27 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

I know. Right.

 

Who can keep up with all the cases?

 

I know I can't.

 

 

I know just crazy all the cases these Democrat state AGs and county DAs can make up...not to mention the NY Feds. It's lucky the president is a fairly wealthy man, and can hire his own lawyers to beat them to a pulp. 

[Sujo]

4 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I know just crazy all the cases these Democrat state AGs and county DAs can make up...not to mention the NY Feds. It's lucky the president is a fairly wealthy man, and can hire his own lawyers to beat them to a pulp. 

Law and order. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

17 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I take it from your post you're not a lawyer...the issue re Trump's tax returns that was decided recently by the Supreme Court was totally different than the issues in the current case. The SC issue was if the president was even subject to judicial process while in office...the current case concerns the breath and scope of the subpoena issued in the Manhattan DA's investigation. Ms. Berry's opinions and Mr. Bannon's legal embrolio have nothing to do with the Trump subpoena case.

 

Trump's legal troubles keep mounting, courtesy of the NY AG now:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-york-ag-trump-organization-lawsuit/2020/08/24/882c03a8-e60e-11ea-bc79-834454439a44_story.html

 

Quote

 

New York attorney general files legal action against Trump Organization, revealing state investigation into the company’s financial dealings

 

The New York attorney general is investigating whether President Trump’s company misled lenders and taxing authorities by improperly inflating the value of his assets, according to a court filing on Monday.

 

The filing from Attorney General Letitia James (D) said that the Trump Organization has declined to hand over some documents that had been subpoenaed, and that the president’s son Eric has refused to be interviewed. James’s inquiry began 18 months ago, but James had not disclosed its focus or scope before Monday.

 

Eric Trump — now the day-to-day leader of his father’s company — agreed to an interview, and then canceled two days before, according to the filing. He has declined to set another date, citing “rights afforded to every individual under the Constitution” to justify refusing the subpoena for an interview, the attorney general said.

 

[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I know just crazy all the cases these Democrat state AGs and county DAs can make up...not to mention the NY Feds. It's lucky the president is a fairly wealthy man, and can hire his own lawyers to beat them to a pulp. 

So you're not a law and order kind of a guy? Good to know.

[Berkshire]

2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I know just crazy all the cases these Democrat state AGs and county DAs can make up...not to mention the NY Feds. It's lucky the president is a fairly wealthy man, and can hire his own lawyers to beat them to a pulp. 

There's at least one guy who doesn't share your optimism.  Trump Jr.  He's not wrong.

 

[Trump Jr.'s biggest concern appears to be that if his father doesn't win in November, various prosecutors investigating the Trump Organization will be waiting to charge them, the activist told the Times.]

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-jr-reportedly-thinks-012100775.html

 

[rcummings]

3 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I take it from your post you're not a lawyer...the issue re Trump's tax returns that was decided recently by the Supreme Court was totally different than the issues in the current case. The SC issue was if the president was even subject to judicial process while in office...the current case concerns the breath and scope of the subpoena issued in the Manhattan DA's investigation. Ms. Berry's opinions and Mr. Bannon's legal embrolio have nothing to do with the Trump subpoena case.

Untrue. This case was also litigated before the Supreme Court.

Supreme Court rules NY grand jury can subpoena Trump financial records, House remains on hold

 "The Supreme Court on Thursday ruled a New York grand jury can subpoena President Trump’s tax returns and financial records, but blocked a similar request from congressional investigators, sending both decisions back to lower courts and keeping the records under wraps for the foreseeable future.

In two 7-2 verdicts, the justices said the president was not immune from subpoenas and criminal investigations but ruled an investigation from Democrat-led House committees was too broad, and that it claimed limitless powers to pry into Trump’s financial dealings that the committees do not have.

“The President is neither absolutely immune from state criminal subpoenas seeking his private papers nor entitled to a heightened standard of need,” the first verdict from Chief Justice John Roberts read."

https://nypost.com/2020/07/09/scotus-rules-ny-prosecutors-can-access-trumps-financial-records/

 

 

[Pattaya Spotter]

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Trump's legal troubles keep mounting, courtesy of the NY AG now:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-york-ag-trump-organization-lawsuit/2020/08/24/882c03a8-e60e-11ea-bc79-834454439a44_story.html

 

As the famous saying goes...a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich.

Edited August 25, 2020 by Pattaya Spotter

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

As the famous saying goes...a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich.

Very profound comment....  You must be equating Don Jr.'s intellect to that of a ham sandwich...  

 

Meanwhile, however, re your indictment comment, you must have missed the fact that the NY AG's investigation is a civil one, not a criminal one... 

 

The separate investigation by the NY Dist Atty is a potentially criminal one.

Edited August 25, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Pattaya Spotter]

54 minutes ago, rcummings said:

Untrue. This case was also litigated before the Supreme Court.

Supreme Court rules NY grand jury can subpoena Trump financial records, House remains on hold

 "The Supreme Court on Thursday ruled a New York grand jury can subpoena President Trump’s tax returns and financial records, but blocked a similar request from congressional investigators, sending both decisions back to lower courts and keeping the records under wraps for the foreseeable future.

In two 7-2 verdicts, the justices said the president was not immune from subpoenas and criminal investigations but ruled an investigation from Democrat-led House committees was too broad, and that it claimed limitless powers to pry into Trump’s financial dealings that the committees do not have.

“The President is neither absolutely immune from state criminal subpoenas seeking his private papers nor entitled to a heightened standard of need,” the first verdict from Chief Justice John Roberts read."

https://nypost.com/2020/07/09/scotus-rules-ny-prosecutors-can-access-trumps-financial-records/

 

 

You're confused...let's see if I can clarify. Yes it's all wrapped-up in one case but the issues addressed by the Supreme Court and the latest ruling of the law and motion court are completely different. Yes, the SCt. ruled the president is subject to judicial process and left it to the lower court judge to decide on the scope of the subpena at issue. The lower court has ruled that the scope is not over-broad and now this ruling will be fully litigated in the appellate courts.  

Edited August 25, 2020 by Pattaya Spotter

[watthong]

And the band played on...Why oh why folks still debating legal matters where Trump is (not) concerned? Law and Trump don't co-exist in the same universe, get it? The worst possible outcome his tax documents might reveal won't change a thing; if he has survived the impeachment process, he has proven his total Teflon-ness. You can throw anything at him but nothing will stick, get it?

 

Trump has announced "The only way we will lose this election is if it is rigged." Let that sink in (your head) for a minute. Let's consider the implication of that (regarding the integrity of a democratic election) and the context in which it is spoken (coming from the mouth of a president - as opposed to the mouth of a dictator - and the attack that's been underway since his inauguration at every level of our institutions.) And you all think that a revelation of his rotten tax returns would stop him? Stop acting like walruses, wake up and smell the swamp.

[Pattaya Spotter]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Very profound comment....  You must be equating Don Jr.'s intellect to that of a ham sandwich...  

It's actually a comment on the powers and competence of many prosecutors.