Couple who pointed guns at protesters tell Republican convention that suburbs in peril

[webfact]

Couple who pointed guns at protesters tell Republican convention that suburbs in peril

By Tim Reid

 

FILE PHOTO: Patricia McCloskey and her husband Mark McCloskey draw their firearms on protesters, including a man who holds a video camera and microphone, as they enter their neighborhood during a protest against St. Louis Mayor Lyda Krewson, in St. Louis, Missouri, U.S. June 28, 2020. REUTERS/Lawrence Bryant/File Photo

 

(Reuters) - A white St. Louis couple who brandished guns at Black Lives Matter protesters outside their home in June were given a prominent speaking slot at the Republican National Convention on Monday, repeating unfounded claims by President Donald Trump that Democrats will destroy America's suburbs.

 

Speaking amid new protests over the police shooting of a Black man in Wisconsin on Sunday, Mark and Patricia McCloskey, who face felony weapons charges for threatening protesters with guns, said U.S. neighborhoods would be overrun by crime and lawlessness if Democrat Joe Biden wins in November.

 

"No matter where you live, your family will not be safe in the radical Democrats' America," Patricia McCloskey said.

 

That message follows repeated allegations by Trump, as part of his "law-and-order" campaign, that vengeful "mobs" are tearing down Democratic-run cities. In one recent tweet, Trump - keen to win back the votes of white, college-educated women - declared that "suburban housewives" wanted safety and that a Democrat in the White House would bring chaos to neighborhoods.

 

Biden has decried violent protests and has resisted activist calls to “defund the police." Instead, he says his focus is on ending systematic racism inside law enforcement agencies.

 

The McCloskeys, both lawyers, shouted at protesters and pointed weapons including a semi-automatic rifle at the demonstrators, who appeared unarmed as they marched by their home.

 

On Monday, they criticized authorities for charging them but no one among what they called an "out-of-control mob." They have said they were within their rights to defend their property.

 

Trump previously called the charges against them a "disgrace."

 

"President Trump will defend the God-given right of every American to protect their homes and families," Mark McCloskey said in his convention remarks.

 

(Reporting by Tim Reid; Editing by Colleen Jenkins and Peter Cooney)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2020-08-25

 

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[keith101]

They both belong in prison along side Trump .

[Bluespunk]

8 minutes ago, webfact said:

Speaking amid new protests over the police shooting of a Black man in Wisconsin on Sunday, Mark and Patricia McCloskey, who face felony weapons charges for threatening protesters with guns, said U.S. neighborhoods would be overrun by crime and lawlessness if Democrat Joe Biden wins in November.

Ah the irony...

[mtls2005]

For the record, these gun-nuts live in the city of St. Louis, in a posh neighborhood called the Central West End.

 

And it is they who represent the "peril" (peril meaning they are insufferable and crappy neightbors), according to neighbors.

 

 

 

 

[Surelynot]

Par for the course.....GOP full of loons.

[Bluespunk]

8 minutes ago, webfact said:

President Trump will defend the God-given right of every American to protect their homes and families," Mark McCloskey said in his convention remarks.

I missed that part during Sunday school bible study and 13 years of catholic school.

Which chapter and verse does it say that...

[mtls2005]

11 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Which chapter and verse does it say that...

 

Two Corinthians walk into a gunshop...stop me if you've heard this one before....

 

 

For a secular government, we seem to trip over each other invoking God for eveything, and out-God-ing each other.

 

Suspect that if there is a God, she's bruised her face with so many face-palms.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 25, 2020 by mtls2005

[darksidedog]

To my mind, bringing a pair of clearly deranged gun nuts to the stage, to allow them to babble utter rot, probably did more damage to Trumps campaign than leaving them out. It shows all too clearly the tenuous grasp on reality these people have, and the president for letting them spit out their deranged propaganda. The suburbs have never been destroyed under democratic rule before, so you have to be at least a sandwich short of a picnic to believe it will happen under Joe Biden. There is probably a far higher chance of society going to hell if Trump continues at the helm.

[Tug]

Comical comes to mind this whole lie fest tonight it’s pretty pathetic imo 

[asiaexpat]

The GOP is showing America who they really are and it is not nice. Rich white people with guns and a deep fear of anyone different from them spells disaster. It is a shame the COVID virus is killing the innocent and not these crazies.

[riclag]

20 minutes ago, keith101 said:

They both belong in prison along side Trump .

I'm glad you don't live in my country! In the USA your innocent till proven guilty! The couple hasn't been to trial!

 

The way the law is structured in Missouri, a citizen has the right to protect themselves and  property and if they feel  threaten, they can exercise lethal force! 

 

Under what is referred to as “The Castle Doctrine”, Missouri laws allow individuals to use deadly force against intruders who disrupt the sanctity of private property and intend to cause harm. A legal owner of private property has no duty to retreat and has the right to use deadly force to prevent an attack.Jun 17, 2019.

 

https://kcdefensecounsel.com/the-criminal-defense-of-self-defense-in-missouri/#:~:text=Under what is referred to,force to prevent an attack.

 Have you followed the events that led up to that!!!!

 

 

[mtls2005]

32 minutes ago, darksidedog said:

probably did more damage to Trumps campaign than leaving them out.

 

Don't think they could find enough "speakers", what with Jerry Falwell Jr. having to send more time with his family, so they were left with idiots like the McCloskey's.

 

 

 

 

[stevenl]

28 minutes ago, riclag said:

I'm glad you don't live in my country! In the USA your innocent till proven guilty! The couple hasn't been to trial!

 

The way the law is structured in Missouri, a citizen has the right to protect themselves and  property and if they feel  threaten, they can exercise lethal force! 

 

Under what is referred to as “The Castle Doctrine”, Missouri laws allow individuals to use deadly force against intruders who disrupt the sanctity of private property and intend to cause harm. A legal owner of private property has no duty to retreat and has the right to use deadly force to prevent an attack.Jun 17, 2019.

 

https://kcdefensecounsel.com/the-criminal-defense-of-self-defense-in-missouri/#:~:text=Under what is referred to,force to prevent an attack.

 Have you followed the events that led up to that!!!!

 

 

TVF is not a court of law.

They face charges.

According to their neighbourhood they are the dangerous ones.

[transam]

9 minutes ago, stevenl said:

TVF is not a court of law.

They face charges.

According to their neighbourhood they are the dangerous ones.

Why, were the neighbours shot at in the past....?  ????

[PatOngo]

Well damn it! Wherrrre's ma gun, Let's clean up this neighbourhood! Yee Haa! ????

[darksidedog]

Two factually incorrect posts have been removed.

Please read the story at reliable sites before posting something that is not true.

[Matzzon]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

I'm glad you don't live in my country! In the USA your innocent till proven guilty! The couple hasn't been to trial!

 

The way the law is structured in Missouri, a citizen has the right to protect themselves and  property and if they feel  threaten, they can exercise lethal force!

Utterly bad choice to bring up an irrelevant law, on your path trying to protect and glorify the criminals. Whenever, were the people they pointed the guns at inside their gate or fence? Even the poor deranged woman is walking outside her gates and threaten people walking on the streets with her gun, at the same time her husband is pointing his automatic rifle at people outside his property. To be able to, and seen as, protecting ones own property that would suggest that there is a threat on the property, right?

 

Or is the law actually allowing property owners to go outside their property and threaten people walking on the street as a precaution for what they might or might not do? If so, then it´s a really stupid and deranged law that should be changed by people with better brain capacity.

Edited August 25, 2020 by Matzzon

[Jingthing]

Obnoxious bullies supporting an extremist white supremacist party taken over by a dangerous cult of personality. 

 

I agree parading sick violent haters like this couple helps Biden who is offering us a path back to civility. 

 

https://forward.com/news/national/453183/the-rabbi-who-is-neighbor-to-mark-and-patricia-mccloskey-speaks-out-they/

 

 

The rabbi who is neighbor to Mark and Patricia McCloskey speaks out: ‘They are bullies’

 

When Rabbi Susan Talve heard that Patricia and Mark McCloskey would be among the speakers addressing the Republican National Convention, she decided she could no longer stay quiet.

 

“It’s so upsetting that they have a national audience,” Talve said. “It’s upsetting we make heroes out of people who hate.”

 

 

Edited August 25, 2020 by Jingthing

[bobbin]

On one side of the world you have Belarus's President (for life?) issuing 300 medals to his security forces for their exemplary courage in facing down and subsequently torturing their fellow citizens, and you wonder..

 

On the other side of the world you have the President (for lie?...oops did I forget the letter K?) hosting a pair of self-entitled litigious over-reactors at his party's national coronation (oops I meant convention) while reaching out to his fellow citizens, and you wonder...

 

 

[transam]

15 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Obnoxious bullies supporting an extremist white supremacist party taken over by a dangerous cult of personality. 

 

I agree parading sick violent haters like this couple helps Biden who is offering us a path back to civility. 

 

https://forward.com/news/national/453183/the-rabbi-who-is-neighbor-to-mark-and-patricia-mccloskey-speaks-out-they/

 

 

The rabbi who is neighbor to Mark and Patricia McCloskey speaks out: ‘They are bullies’

 

When Rabbi Susan Talve heard that Patricia and Mark McCloskey would be among the speakers addressing the Republican National Convention, she decided she could no longer stay quiet.

 

“It’s so upsetting that they have a national audience,” Talve said. “It’s upsetting we make heroes out of people who hate.”

 

 

The UK banned guns, no more gun licence for me, now if the USA 'states' did the same then perhaps progress could be made.

 

 

[mokwit]

Both sides are lying/lying by omission so badly about what went down here for political gain that I gave up trying to find the truth about it. If you read one side or the others version you are not getting the full picture

Edited August 25, 2020 by mokwit

[transam]

1 minute ago, Tounge Thaied said:

The George Orwell Dystopian novel 1984 that takes place in London. 

Oh......????

I can remember what took place in London in 1984, I bought a 1976 Trans Am basket case......????

[riclag]

12 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Utterly bad choice to bring up an irrelevant law, on your path trying to protect and glorify the criminals. Whenever, were the people they pointed the guns at inside their gate or fence? Even the poor deranged woman is walking outside her gates and threaten people walking on the streets with her gun, at the same time her husband is pointing his automatic rifle at people outside his property. To be able to, and seen as, protecting ones own property that would suggest that there is a threat on the property, right?

 

Or is the law actually allowing property owners to go outside their property and threaten people walking on the street as a precaution for what they might or might not do? If so, then it´s a really stupid and deranged law that should be changed by people with better brain capacity.

So your dismissing the  law in  Missouri as irrelevant lol! 

The AG in Missouri makes reference to the law you dismiss in this news story!

 

“Enough is enough,” the attorney general said in a video message posted just hours after the charges were filed. “A political prosecution such as this one would have a chilling effect on Missourians exercising the right to self defense.”

 

   “a large group of subjects forcefully break an iron gate marked with ‘No Trespassing’ and ‘Private Street’ signs,” St. Louis police said.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/missouri-a-g-to-seek-dismissal-of-charges-against-couple-who-pointed-guns-at-protesters/

 

 

 

[Tounge Thaied]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Oh......????

I can remember what took place in London in 1984, I bought a 1976 Trans Am basket case......????

My basket case I bought in that same year was a 1969 Thunderbird. Ha ha!!

[mokwit]

2 minutes ago, Tounge Thaied said:

My basket case I bought in that same year was a 1969 Thunderbird. Ha ha!!

Bet you both wish you'd bought Jaguar E types - couldn't give them away then, now......

[simple1]

1 hour ago, darksidedog said:

To my mind, bringing a pair of clearly deranged gun nuts to the stage, to allow them to babble utter rot, probably did more damage to Trumps campaign than leaving them out. It shows all too clearly the tenuous grasp on reality these people have, and the president for letting them spit out their deranged propaganda. The suburbs have never been destroyed under democratic rule before, so you have to be at least a sandwich short of a picnic to believe it will happen under Joe Biden. There is probably a far higher chance of society going to hell if Trump continues at the helm.

Want a laugh?

 

 

[Tounge Thaied]

4 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

I watched it on Fox news last night and it was stated there 

Where and when I grew up, if a mob came at my family home this way, they would get one warning shot over their heads. If they didn't leave, the shots were no longer warning shots. Amd is exactly why it never happened. No mob would have gathered like that because they knew. 

Edited August 25, 2020 by Tounge Thaied

[Kelsall]

More and more people is the US are packing heat.  Doubtful if these new gun owners will be voting for politicians who decry the Second Amendment. 

 

https://www.register-herald.com/news/money/another-effect-of-the-pandemic---more-people-buying-guns-and-ammo-with-video/article_528d9457-82e8-5b97-ad7a-a14ef648e0ae.html

 

Trump 2020 guaranteed.

 

 

[mokwit]

1 minute ago, Kelsall said:

More and more people is the US are packing heat. 

For the benefit of Brits on this board I will translate: 'More and more people is the US are tooled up'.

[Orton Rd]

2 hours ago, keith101 said:

They both belong in prison along side Trump .

why nobody was shot and they had a legal right to own guns and tell the trespassers to f off, heroes, not villains