Slow start-up

[Eindhoven]

11 hours ago, jollyhangmon said:

 

... well, you're right where you're right.

I watched the SSD & RAM related videos, doesn't appear to be rocket science, cost also not a problem.

Will make a photo of the model no. sticker tomorrow in daylight, just to make sure we get the proper parts (laptopinventory.com for example does not list the exact model (number), I don't think I made a mistake copying it though) ...

 

Thanks for now mate & good night.

 

 

You'll also need to create the installation media for Windows 10:

 

Creating the Windows 10 USB flash drive

1. Visit the Microsoft Media Creation Tool website: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
2. Click Download Tool Now.
3. Save the Application.
4. Plug your USB Flash Drive into the PC where you saved the application.
5. Run the Application.
6. Accept the EULA
7. Select Create installation media for another PC and click Next.
8. Choose the correct settings for your version of Windows 10

• Language (Country)
• Windows 10
• 64-bit (x64)

• Click Next.
• Select USB Flash Drive and click Next.
• Select the Flash Drive and click Next.

Allow the application to complete. You will be prompted when it is finished and has successfully created the bootable drive.

 

You'll need an empty USB Flash drive of at least 8 GB capacity to create the installation media.

 

 

[Jeffrey346]

Have you done the Lenovo System updates. My Lenovo is 1 year old and must have had 5/6 updates... and it runs and starts perfectly.

I suggest you do the latest update.

[jollyhangmon]

6 hours ago, Eindhoven said:

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I'm sorry, had to emergency-deploy in the morning, watercounter was in overdrive with nobody using any, had the grass cut yesterday, surprise, surprise ... also bit of rain in the night so couldn't go for the wet spot either ... finally found it, close to a wall, probably passed about 42 times before ...

 

But yes, had the device open, time someone did too as you could grow potatoes in the dirt inside ... it's still running, that's a good sign.
Those little Phillips screwheads are bitches though, too small at the tip even for my smallest respective screwdriver, luckily none of the screws was any thight so could use the tiny flat heads I have for my glasses.

 

<> Re RAM: 2 slots, one empty, other one with 1 x 2GB module - empty one reads 'DDR3 only' ... so I could do with just another 2GB module, a total of 4GB would then be sufficient for this configuration?

 

<> Re SSD: quick look at both dealers shows 
120GB at a range of THB 630 - 790, 
240/256GB at 970 - 3000, average around 1200 and 
480/512GB at 1850 - 6000, average 2100 THB

 

Am I right the SSD's capacity doesn't affect the machines performance ? but rather convenience, yes? 
I'm a bit spoilt now with 1TB but I suppose small internal SSD (120 or 240/256GB) plus (already existing) external HDD will be just as well ...? 

 

<> Excellent explanation about the installation media.
Possible problem (?): no activation key, never had one ... 'twas installed by the shop after replacing the HDD, no issue for about 1 1/2 years but after second time the laptop rested for almost 3 months while I was in EU it was no longer activated ... didn't affect me much for over a year now, just some limited personal settings.

 

 

 

 

 

[SePl]

of course HDD just like most people who know nothing and prefer to fix the problems after instead of trying to anticipate them !

 

[Henricus]

use iobit advanced systemcare and uninstaller works great and is free

[jollyhangmon]

 

 ... holy shoit, certain posts - hicks, hicks - sure do indicate the time of day, lol ... 

 

 

[mrfill]

2 hours ago, jollyhangmon said:

 

I'm sorry, had to emergency-deploy in the morning, watercounter was in overdrive with nobody using any, had the grass cut yesterday, surprise, surprise ... also bit of rain in the night so couldn't go for the wet spot either ... finally found it, close to a wall, probably passed about 42 times before ...

 

But yes, had the device open, time someone did too as you could grow potatoes in the dirt inside ... it's still running, that's a good sign.
Those little Phillips screwheads are bitches though, too small at the tip even for my smallest respective screwdriver, luckily none of the screws was any thight so could use the tiny flat heads I have for my glasses.

 

<> Re RAM: 2 slots, one empty, other one with 1 x 2GB module - empty one reads 'DDR3 only' ... so I could do with just another 2GB module, a total of 4GB would then be sufficient for this configuration?

 

<> Re SSD: quick look at both dealers shows 
120GB at a range of THB 630 - 790, 
240/256GB at 970 - 3000, average around 1200 and 
480/512GB at 1850 - 6000, average 2100 THB

 

Am I right the SSD's capacity doesn't affect the machines performance ? but rather convenience, yes? 
I'm a bit spoilt now with 1TB but I suppose small internal SSD (120 or 240/256GB) plus (already existing) external HDD will be just as well ...? 

 

<> Excellent explanation about the installation media.
Possible problem (?): no activation key, never had one ... 'twas installed by the shop after replacing the HDD, no issue for about 1 1/2 years but after second time the laptop rested for almost 3 months while I was in EU it was no longer activated ... didn't affect me much for over a year now, just some limited personal settings.

 

 

 

 

 

Increasing your RAM to 4GB will have a very pronounced effect on the speed. Putting in an SSD is likely to have a tiny effect. The machine is slow because it is working way too hard on memory and you can check this by having task manager open. Once all the RAM is used the 'virtual memory' kicks in and that is very slow as it uses the HDD as working memory. The whole machine then goes very slowly as hard drive transactions are vastly slower than RAM.

A simple test is to see if the HDD light is on most of the time. If it is, you need more RAM. Windows 10 says it works on 2gb which it does - just about. A minimum of 4gb is now required if you actually want a useable machine.

[Eindhoven]

2 hours ago, jollyhangmon said:

 

I'm sorry, had to emergency-deploy in the morning, watercounter was in overdrive with nobody using any, had the grass cut yesterday, surprise, surprise ... also bit of rain in the night so couldn't go for the wet spot either ... finally found it, close to a wall, probably passed about 42 times before ...

 

But yes, had the device open, time someone did too as you could grow potatoes in the dirt inside ... it's still running, that's a good sign.
Those little Phillips screwheads are bitches though, too small at the tip even for my smallest respective screwdriver, luckily none of the screws was any thight so could use the tiny flat heads I have for my glasses.

 

<> Re RAM: 2 slots, one empty, other one with 1 x 2GB module - empty one reads 'DDR3 only' ... so I could do with just another 2GB module, a total of 4GB would then be sufficient for this configuration?

 

<> Re SSD: quick look at both dealers shows 
120GB at a range of THB 630 - 790, 
240/256GB at 970 - 3000, average around 1200 and 
480/512GB at 1850 - 6000, average 2100 THB

 

Am I right the SSD's capacity doesn't affect the machines performance ? but rather convenience, yes? 
I'm a bit spoilt now with 1TB but I suppose small internal SSD (120 or 240/256GB) plus (already existing) external HDD will be just as well ...? 

 

<> Excellent explanation about the installation media.
Possible problem (?): no activation key, never had one ... 'twas installed by the shop after replacing the HDD, no issue for about 1 1/2 years but after second time the laptop rested for almost 3 months while I was in EU it was no longer activated ... didn't affect me much for over a year now, just some limited personal settings.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually SSD capacity does make a difference, but that is not important in this case. A 120 GB SSD should be enough 240 GB if you like to store a lot movies etc Though we will likely put your old HDD into an external caddy, making it into an external HDD with all of your old data still intact and accessible.

 

My choice from what is available and keeping the price low, would be; https://www.invadeit.co.th/product/solid-state-drives-ssd/adata/120gb-su650-2-5inch-sata-ssd-asu650ss-120gt-r-p038421/ for 670 baht.

 

2 GB of RAM module will do the job. 4 GB in total is quite adequate for every day usage in conjunction with a solid state drive. Not much point in spending more as the performance benefit above that will be negligible.

 

https://shopee.co.th/RAM-(แรมโน๊ตบุ้ค)-DDR3L-1600-2Gb-Transcend-i.116908718.6319213276

 

You may be able to find it cheaper. But make sure that you choose a local seller and keep to the spec DDR3 1600MHz .

 

I actually assumed it was DDR3L within the laptop, but can see that it is not. So you can choose DDR3 or DDR3L. Makes no difference. Though i would add to stick with DDR3 as opposed to DDR3L just in case.

 

Windows 10 Pro key; 71 baht via Lazada or a bit more via eBay. Not an issue.

 

 

[Eindhoven]

7 minutes ago, jollyhangmon said:

 

 ... holy shoit, certain posts - hicks, hicks - sure do indicate the time of day, lol ... 

 

 

 

I thought it best to not comment on them and just stick to what we are doing.

[Eindhoven]

26 minutes ago, mrfill said:

Increasing your RAM to 4GB will have a very pronounced effect on the speed. Putting in an SSD is likely to have a tiny effect. The machine is slow because it is working way too hard on memory and you can check this by having task manager open. Once all the RAM is used the 'virtual memory' kicks in and that is very slow as it uses the HDD as working memory. The whole machine then goes very slowly as hard drive transactions are vastly slower than RAM.

A simple test is to see if the HDD light is on most of the time. If it is, you need more RAM. Windows 10 says it works on 2gb which it does - just about. A minimum of 4gb is now required if you actually want a useable machine.

 

Utter rubbish from start to finish.

 

A visual aid will dispel your fallacies; showing that that an SSD will make much more of a difference than adding RAM, no matter your theory.

 

Keep your eyes on the device with 8GB of RAM, but an HDD and the one with 2GB of RAM but an SSD:

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn6zxoh3oK4

 

 

[alien365]

With my poor level of computer skills I factory reset my computer when this happened to my 4/5yr old Asus. It worked great for a while then it gradually slowed again. Task manager was showing Skype using a lot of data so I uninstalled that and Skype business (which I've never used) and my computer starts up in no time again with no 100% disk issues at the start. Feels like new without spending a single baht.

[Eindhoven]

Just now, alien365 said:

With my poor level of computer skills I factory reset my computer when this happened to my 4/5yr old Asus. It worked great for a while then it gradually slowed again. Task manager was showing Skype using a lot of data so I uninstalled that and Skype business (which I've never used) and my computer starts up in no time again with no 100% disk issues at the start. Feels like new without spending a single baht.

 

Would be much better if you too fitted an SSD. Then you wouldn't have to worry about Skype Business nor anything else. HDD are not fit for purpose in consumer PCs.

[digger70]

On 9/1/2020 at 11:31 PM, Eindhoven said:

solid state drive

 

On 9/1/2020 at 8:36 PM, swissie said:

My low-cost Lenovo Laptop is now 4 years old. But in the meantime it takes about 1 1/2 minutes to start it up.

No problem , My Macbook Pro takes about 5 Min before I can get any Sense out of it. 

Just Start er and make a cuppa  than its All Sweet.

[Srikcir]

Check your hard drive available memory. Might put infrequently used files, pictures, etc. on an external drive. 

When your hard drive is 95% full, pc's can slow to 50%.

Also do a "cleaning" and defragging of the drive to increase space.

[Srikcir]

Check your hard drive available memory. Might put infrequently used files, pictures, etc. on an external drive. 

When your hard drive is 95% full, pc's can slow to 50%.

Also do a "cleaning" and defragging of the drive to increase space.

[Eindhoven]

48 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Check your hard drive available memory. Might put infrequently used files, pictures, etc. on an external drive. 

When your hard drive is 95% full, pc's can slow to 50%.

Also do a "cleaning" and defragging of the drive to increase space.

 

You dragged me back to the 20th century for a moment. Now back in the room.

[jollyhangmon]

1 hour ago, Eindhoven said:

 

Actually SSD capacity does make a difference, but that is not important in this case. A 120 GB SSD should be enough 240 GB if you like to store a lot movies etc Though we will likely put your old HDD into an external caddy, making it into an external HDD with all of your old data still intact and accessible.

 

My choice from what is available and keeping the price low, would be; https://www.invadeit.co.th/product/solid-state-drives-ssd/adata/120gb-su650-2-5inch-sata-ssd-asu650ss-120gt-r-p038421/ for 670 baht.

 

2 GB of RAM module will do the job. 4 GB in total is quite adequate for every day usage in conjunction with a solid state drive. Not much point in spending more as the performance benefit above that will be negligible.

 

https://shopee.co.th/RAM-(แรมโน๊ตบุ้ค)-DDR3L-1600-2Gb-Transcend-i.116908718.6319213276

 

You may be able to find it cheaper. But make sure that you choose a local seller and keep to the spec DDR3 1600MHz .

 

I actually assumed it was DDR3L within the laptop, but can see that it is not. So you can choose DDR3 or DDR3L. Makes no difference. Though i would add to stick with DDR3 as opposed to DDR3L just in case.

 

Windows 10 Pro key; 71 baht via Lazada or a bit more via eBay. Not an issue.

 

 

 

Agreed, it's in the bag and I shall instigate these very same purchases ...

Again thanks for your advice this far mate!

 

[jollyhangmon]

1 hour ago, digger70 said:

 

No problem , My Macbook Pro takes about 5 Min before I can get any Sense out of it. 

Just Start er and make a cuppa  than its All Sweet.

 

Now that sounds familiar, about what it takes mine to get halfway stable as well ... last WIN10 feature update took the better part of 5 (five) hours, no kiddin', should have kept a log ... don't get me started, 555 ...

 

But I have to admire how the old heap soldiers on and under rather unfavorable conditions - so now some juvenile organ transplants are well earned & called for ...

[Eindhoven]

29 minutes ago, jollyhangmon said:

 

Agreed, it's in the bag and I shall instigate these very same purchases ...

Again thanks for your advice this far mate!

 

 

Alternative RAM(Samsung DDR3): https://shopee.co.th/Ram-NoteBook-DDR3-2GB-1600Mhz-มือสอง-i.57296819.3341688937

[Eindhoven]

1 minute ago, jollyhangmon said:

 

Now that sounds familiar, about what it takes mine to get halfway stable as well ... last WIN10 feature update took the better part of 5 (five) hours, no kiddin', should have kept a log ... don't get me started, 555 ...

 

But I have to admire how the old heap soldiers on and under rather unfavorable conditions - so now some juvenile organ transplants are well earned & called for ...

 

Will be under a minute with the new improvements. Perhaps a little as half a minute.

Since you already have Windows 10 installed, you won't need a key when you clean install to the SSD. But you will need to install the same edition in this case; Windows 10 Home likely.

[jollyhangmon]

34 minutes ago, Eindhoven said:

 

Alternative RAM(Samsung DDR3): https://shopee.co.th/Ram-NoteBook-DDR3-2GB-1600Mhz-มือสอง-i.57296819.3341688937

Excellent, thanks.

 

33 minutes ago, Eindhoven said:

 

Will be under a minute with the new improvements. Perhaps a little as half a minute.

Since you already have Windows 10 installed, you won't need a key when you clean install to the SSD.

 

But you will need to install the same edition in this case; Windows 10 Home likely.

 

... even better, no it's Windows 10 Pro, now vers 2004 ... 

 

 

 

[Eindhoven]

26 minutes ago, jollyhangmon said:

Excellent, thanks.

 

 

... even better, no it's Windows 10 Pro, now vers 2004 ... 

 

 

 

 

Even better as you say.

[swissie]

Thanks guys. I am the OP. Was only posting this question wondering if the slow start-up can lead to serious problems. Like the machine exploding in my face or crashing beyond recovery. Seems not to be the case. As long as everything else works fine the 1 1/2 minute start-up time does not bother me.
Of course, if the start-up time sould become 15 minutes, I will simply buy another low-cost Lenovo machine. To enjoy another 4 Years of undisturbed internet access with the help of my superb provider.

 

[notmyself]

Lenovo: OS will be on the D drive so back up any pictures, music etc. and do a reinstall. A factory reset in essence so you will have it as when you bought it. Why bother tinkering?

 

Also Lenovo: Good manufacture imo. Built to last. SSD would likely make a good upgrade to it. I've a 500GB laying around if you want it. Gratis.

[digger70]

13 hours ago, jollyhangmon said:

 

Now that sounds familiar, about what it takes mine to get halfway stable as well ... last WIN10 feature update took the better part of 5 (five) hours, no kiddin', should have kept a log ... don't get me started, 555 ...

 

But I have to admire how the old heap soldiers on and under rather unfavorable conditions - so now some juvenile organ transplants are well earned & called for ...

One day will have to do something drastic .   ????

[Eindhoven]

11 hours ago, swissie said:

Thanks guys. I am the OP. Was only posting this question wondering if the slow start-up can lead to serious problems. Like the machine exploding in my face or crashing beyond recovery. Seems not to be the case. As long as everything else works fine the 1 1/2 minute start-up time does not bother me.
Of course, if the start-up time sould become 15 minutes, I will simply buy another low-cost Lenovo machine. To enjoy another 4 Years of undisturbed internet access with the help of my superb provider.

 

 

The next one will likely have an SSD anyway. Until then, you can build up your reserves of patience with your current device with an HDD.

[jollyhangmon]

On 9/4/2020 at 12:18 PM, Eindhoven said:

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Hi friend, look, mate just sent me these pics, says this 4GB RAM module is out of a DELL Inspirion and I could have it ... would this further our cause ...?

 

 

 

 

And then a question about creation of recovery drive: 

The 'old' control panel (hotkey: Ctrl+Win+C) offers under 'Recovery' the option 'Create a recovery drive' ... now, 2 options here, a smaller one like a kick-start if your machine won't boot and a bigger one (asking for a 16GB drive but actual size 6.69GB, took roughly an age to create btw.) to reinstall WIN10 if needed ...

 

Would that be the very same thing like the one created via the Microsoft Media Creation Tool website you described in your previous post?

Looks like this:

 

 

 

 

[Eindhoven]

7 hours ago, jollyhangmon said:

 

Hi friend, look, mate just sent me these pics, says this 4GB RAM module is out of a DELL Inspirion and I could have it ... would this further our cause ...?

 

 

 

 

And then a question about creation of recovery drive: 

The 'old' control panel (hotkey: Ctrl+Win+C) offers under 'Recovery' the option 'Create a recovery drive' ... now, 2 options here, a smaller one like a kick-start if your machine won't boot and a bigger one (asking for a 16GB drive but actual size 6.69GB, took roughly an age to create btw.) to reinstall WIN10 if needed ...

 

Would that be the very same thing like the one created via the Microsoft Media Creation Tool website you described in your previous post?

Looks like this:

 

 

 

 

 

We should be able to use the RAM module. They aren't an exact match, though should play together.

Have no idea if it will work in the same way as installation media. I don't see why not, but you don't want to be stuck with unsuitable media. I would stick with my method in order to be sure.

 

[jollyhangmon]

3 hours ago, Eindhoven said:

 

We should be able to use the RAM module. They aren't an exact match, though should play together.

Have no idea if it will work in the same way as installation media. I don't see why not, but you don't want to be stuck with unsuitable media. I would stick with my method in order to be sure.

 

 

... yep, you sure got a point re the recovery drive, will create another one via the website too; good I kept these old USB sticks & SD cards ...

 

So I could give that RAM module a try, no danger of breaking anything permanently?

And should I just add it by sticking it into the empty slot (total then 6GB) or better replace the original 2GB module to just have these 4GB ...?

 

Again thanks 4 your input!

 

[Henryford]

Chinese rubbish, get rid of it and buy a proper computer, with an SSD.