'Bad' students make a strong case for reforms with huge rally at ministry

[rooster59]

'Bad' students make a strong case for reforms with huge rally at ministry

By The Nation

 

 

"Bad student", a group of high school students and student organisations from 50 educational institutions nationwide, has gathered outside the Ministry of Education on Saturday (September 5) to press its demands for reforms.

 

 

At 1.15 pm the students started gathering outside the ministry to prepare for the protest.

 

 

At 2pm, the protesters placed a lot of wreaths in front of the ministry's wall with messages stating that schools do not want dictatorship.

 

 

 

At 3pm, the road in front of the ministry was packed with students who came out in large numbers for the rally.

At 5.20pm, Education Minister Nataphol Teepsuwan arrived on the stage to participate in the debate between the ministry and students.

 

During the debate, "Bad" student representatives demanded that the minister send officials to oversee whether schools are threatening students.

 

Meanwhile, Nataphol confirmed that the ministry would accelerate talks with teachers about alleviating their workload and also provide security for students, adding that there were only a small number of teachers who did not agree with the students' moves.

 

"Every sector must help with reforming education together. This is why we opened the website to enable students to submit complaints," he said.

 

"Also, the ministry will review regulations and learning courses to ensure that it would be updated, such as reducing school hours and homework."

 

He added that he could meet the students' needs because this problem must be solved peacefully.

 

After the debate ended, the students' representative handed over a gift to the education minister.

 

At 7pm, the students turned on their mobile phone lights to mourn the students who had died because of the education system before dispersing.

 

The group demanded that the ministry stop threatening students, cancel outdated regulations and reform education with the condition that the education minister must resign if the ministry cannot do as they demanded.

 

Some 50 police officers from Dusit Metropolitan Police Station and Metropolitan Police Division 1 are providing safety to the protesters, while the protesters have requested permission to hold the rally until 8pm today.

 

Meanwhile, the hashtag #หนูรู้หนูมันเลว (I know I was bad) was trending on Thai Twitter as school pupils rallied to demand democracy.

 

Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30394074

 

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[steven100]

ok ... home for dinner then all back in class tomorrow ...  lol

[ChipButty]

There is a lot of reforms needed and soon

[bodga]

GOOD  FOR  you kids, go tell em where to shove it and make sure its rammed RIGHT UP THERE.

[douglasspade]

2 hours ago, rooster59 said:

with huge rally

 

2 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Some 50 police officers

Not seeing the actual numbers here if only 50 uniforms were send to identify the next thee finger salute boys to send to prison.

[metisdead]

Some troll posts and the trolling replies have been removed. 

[RichardColeman]

1 hour ago, ChipButty said:

There is a lot of reforms needed and soon

'Taxi for the TV member to the re-education camp please !   ????

[trainman34014]

My Wife has three friends who are so called 'Teachers'.    None of them like work and only do the job because it has a Pension at the end of it and they get tons of Credit to buy new cars, phones and other luxury items.  They run up huge debts, (one of them is over 2 million in debt), and then complain about said debt !    If i ask any of them about actually 'teaching' the Kids they usually shrug it off and say Thai Kids are generally lazy and don't want to learn.   They only show enthusiasm about all the free trips they get during the year to one place or another; basically they come across as freeloaders !

[teacherclaire]

2 hours ago, steven100 said:

ok ... home for dinner then all back in class tomorrow ...  lol

Sad words for kids who only want a better future and not a democrazy. 

[Old Dissenter]

11 minutes ago, trainman34014 said:

My Wife has three friends who are so called 'Teachers'.    None of them like work and only do the job because it has a Pension at the end of it and they get tons of Credit to buy new cars, phones and other luxury items.  They run up huge debts, (one of them is over 2 million in debt), and then complain about said debt !    If i ask any of them about actually 'teaching' the Kids they usually shrug it off and say Thai Kids are generally lazy and don't want to learn.   They only show enthusiasm about all the free trips they get during the year to one place or another; basically they come across as freeloaders !

Good news for the tutorial schools.  

[steven100]

39 minutes ago, trainman34014 said:

Thai Kids are generally lazy and don't want to learn.   They only show enthusiasm about all the free trips they get during the year to one place or another; basically they come across as freeloaders !

and these are the kid protesters who want their voice heard.  Gimme a break  !

TIT ....  it is what it is .... sometimes we don't agree with the government, however it's better than before.

[Kadilo]

4 minutes ago, steven100 said:

and these are the kid protesters who want their voice heard.  Gimme a break  !

TIT ....  it is what it is .... sometimes we don't agree with the government, however it's better than before.

It just happens to be their country and their future. I dont think they need advice or permission from an old foreign guest do you?

Edited September 6, 2020 by Kadilo

[DrTuner]

Unless they get rid of every single usurper, this is pretty pointless. The entire government must change, including the constitution.

[Orton Rd]

Mrs qualified as a teacher in the 90's then they have to take the weird teaching exam to get on the list for vacancies. The 'pass' mark in those days with a good list slot was 200k or 4-5 years starting pay, she passed but too far down the list and was not offered a job. Niece is doing the 2 day exam this weekend, think it's every 2 years, not heard about bribes so far but she has not finished yet. So a proportion of teachers probably should not even be in their positions to start with. Have 3 others in the family teaching who as far as I know did not pay bribes, but I don't think they are up to much, never seen one book in any of their houses, even years ago.

[Meat Pie 47]

3 hours ago, steven100 said:

ok ... home for dinner then all back in class tomorrow ...  lol

Don't want to reply to that stupid post I might get banned for that.

[steven100]

18 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

It just happens to be their country and their future. I dont think they need advice or permission from an old foreign guest do you?

agree ... 

[Flying Saucage]

"At 5.20pm, Education Minister Nataphol Teepsuwan arrived on the stage to participate in the debate between the ministry and students.

 

'Also, the ministry will review regulations and learning courses to ensure that it would be updated, such as reducing school hours and homework.'

 

He added that he could meet the students' needs because this problem must be solved peacefully."

 

All this is a distraction tactic only, while they try to decapitate the movement by prosecuting its leaders and sending its them to jail. 

 

Edited September 6, 2020 by Flying Saucage

[hotchilli]

4 hours ago, steven100 said:

ok ... home for dinner then all back in class tomorrow ...  lol

Tuesday.. it's a long weekend.

[ChipButty]

2 hours ago, trainman34014 said:

My Wife has three friends who are so called 'Teachers'.    None of them like work and only do the job because it has a Pension at the end of it and they get tons of Credit to buy new cars, phones and other luxury items.  They run up huge debts, (one of them is over 2 million in debt), and then complain about said debt !    If i ask any of them about actually 'teaching' the Kids they usually shrug it off and say Thai Kids are generally lazy and don't want to learn.   They only show enthusiasm about all the free trips they get during the year to one place or another; basically they come across as freeloaders !

Free healthcare for all the family.........?

[djayz]

3 hours ago, Old Dissenter said:

Good news for the tutorial schools.  

Most of them aren't much better, that I assure you. 

[Destiny1990]

How generous for reducing their school hours and schoolwork but how about the demands of the Bad students?

[bodga]

5 hours ago, Kadilo said:

It just happens to be their country and their future. I dont think they need advice or permission from an old foreign guest do you?

But surely  then age  in Thailand is  VERY  important and "Old"  foreign guests are..........well,  OLD and therefore deserve respect  according to Thai culture

[spidermike007]

These young ones are very "good Thais" who are attempting to move their nation forward, and rid Thailand of regressive, backward, non visionary, and toxic army control.

 

They are exactly what Thailand needs. Many of us are hoping they keep it up, continue to demonstrate their convictions, their courage and their love of their nation. The army needs to get out. The sooner, the better. They are despised by the masses. 

[CorpusChristie]

3 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

These young ones are very "good Thais" who are attempting to move their nation forward, and rid Thailand of regressive, backward, non visionary, and toxic army control.

 

They are exactly what Thailand needs. Many of us are hoping they keep it up, continue to demonstrate their convictions, their courage and their love of their nation. The army needs to get out. The sooner, the better. They are despised by the masses. 

The Students were not protesting against the Thai Government and they were not calling for democracy in Thailand and they dont want the army to go .

   The Students just wanted reduced school hours , less work and for schools to treat them better .

This was a demonstration about School conditions 

[spidermike007]

5 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

The Students were not protesting against the Thai Government and they were not calling for democracy in Thailand and they dont want the army to go .

   The Students just wanted reduced school hours , less work and for schools to treat them better .

This was a demonstration about School conditions 

Maybe this one demonstration. But not most. 

 

Thailand’s Student-led Anti-government Protests Grow

The student-led protest movement has declared three core demands: holding new elections, amending the constitution, and ending the intimidation of critics of the government.

 

https://thediplomat.com/2020/08/thailands-student-led-anti-government-protests-grow/

[Deli]

10 hours ago, steven100 said:

ok ... home for dinner then all back in class tomorrow ...  lol

You still didn't get, did you ?

[scorecard]

13 hours ago, trainman34014 said:

My Wife has three friends who are so called 'Teachers'.    None of them like work and only do the job because it has a Pension at the end of it and they get tons of Credit to buy new cars, phones and other luxury items.  They run up huge debts, (one of them is over 2 million in debt), and then complain about said debt !    If i ask any of them about actually 'teaching' the Kids they usually shrug it off and say Thai Kids are generally lazy and don't want to learn.   They only show enthusiasm about all the free trips they get during the year to one place or another; basically they come across as freeloaders !

I'm well aware of this and there's more.

 

My Thai son went to high school in Singapore, so he became well aware of student centered learning / project based learning / push the kids to analyse what they were learning and ask questions & discuss as part of all lessons. 

 

Then returned to LOS and completed the 5 year B.Ed. program. Many times during the 5 years he had to do 1 week - 1 semester work experience at real schools in Bkk. He tried to start up 

 

He tried to start up student centered learning / project based learning / push the kids to analyse what they were learning and ask questions & discuss as part of all lessons. Every time the other teachers reported him to the head. The head lady was quite keen to try this concept and she encouraged the other teachers to observe and try it. But ultimately the pressure from other teachers pushed him to stop. 

 

He was shocked at the lack of value to the kids coming from many other teachers, including making the kids do teachers admin. work (which there is a lot of). 

 

His worst experience was as above trying to get the kids to analyse and discuss etc., and the other teachers went on mass to the heads' office and demanded she tell them verbally and sign a paper that reform of teaching methods would never be installed into that school and she would never mention it again and agree that she would dismiss my son immediately.

 

Ultimately the head was frightened of the other teachers, she agreed to all of their demands and my son was told to leave the premises immediately.

 

   

Edited September 6, 2020 by scorecard

[scorecard]

17 hours ago, steven100 said:

and these are the kid protesters who want their voice heard.  Gimme a break  !

TIT ....  it is what it is .... sometimes we don't agree with the government, however it's better than before.

So you're totally happy with the current methods/systems/approach to education in Thailand. In other words you support no real future for Thailand.

 

Just not acceptable, Thai students/Thailand are entitled to more and that's why they elect governments ('elect' of course a total sham/scam).

[mikebell]

19 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

Mrs qualified as a teacher in the 90's then they have to take the weird teaching exam to get on the list for vacancies. The 'pass' mark in those days with a good list slot was 200k or 4-5 years starting pay, she passed but too far down the list and was not offered a job. Niece is doing the 2 day exam this weekend, think it's every 2 years, not heard about bribes so far but she has not finished yet. So a proportion of teachers probably should not even be in their positions to start with. Have 3 others in the family teaching who as far as I know did not pay bribes, but I don't think they are up to much, never seen one book in any of their houses, even years ago.

Step-daughter qualified as a teacher & went for an interview.  Wife & I drove her.  The unprincipled principal was more interested in me than her after she learned I was an ex-teacher.  I agreed I would do some voluntary work & team teach with daughter.  One week later the principal reneged on the deal & appointed some one better-qualified.  Learned later that the extra qualification the new teacher had equated to 300,000.

[2009]

On 9/6/2020 at 8:33 PM, spidermike007 said:

These young ones are very "good Thais" who are attempting to move their nation forward, and rid Thailand of regressive, backward, non visionary, and toxic army control.

 

They are exactly what Thailand needs. Many of us are hoping they keep it up, continue to demonstrate their convictions, their courage and their love of their nation. The army needs to get out. The sooner, the better. They are despised by the masses. 

Even if your last sentences were true, it isn't just about the army any more, is it? These demonstrators have shot themselves in the foot by bringing another (more dearly loved) institution into it - and now divided the country into two and therefor lost half of the country's support. Unwise.