Biden leads Trump by 12 points nationally among likely voters - Reuters/Ipsos poll

[Morch]

8 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

It has been the virus that has caused an downturn in the USA , nothing to do with Trumps policies .

The whole World is in turmoil at the moment .

Voting for Biden will not make the virus go away

 

Of course, because nothing negative never ever got something to do with Trump. It was the virus's fault. It was China's fault. It was the media, the Democrats and the haters' faults. It was someone else fault. Don't stop here buck, I don't take any responsibility.

 

Nothing to do with Trump policies, says partisan poster. Apparently handling the Covid-19 situation is not a Trump policy issue.

 

Voting for Biden will not make the virus go away, and nobody claims it. At best, Biden would provide a more conductive framework for dealing with the crisis. Doubt he'd make daft magic cure suggestions on live TV, or promote "doctors" going on about alien DNA and demon sperm. Yeah, I know....boring.

[Morch]

8 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Clinton got more votes in the last election and Trump still won .

Having the majority of voters doesnt necessarily mean a election victory

 

And yet, Trump supporters often make claims regarding the majority, silent or otherwise, favoring Trump. That there's not much support for that is less interesting, as facts can be replaced by alternative facts. But what is intriguing is the apparent need for such popular confirmation, while at the same time rejecting its significance.

 

That it does not, per se, decide elections is not disputed. Statistically, though, the larger the gap, the likelier that results would be manifested in other forms, such as states won etc.

[Morch]

7 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Why is he not currently doing that ?

Why is he often seen unmasked ?

 

He does encourage people to wear masks and keep social distancing. It's mentioned often enough in his comments. As for "often seen unmasked", I doubt that's based on anything much - many of the public addresses he gives are done in front of limited crowds/reporters, and keeping in line with social distancing. Any way you wish to spin or make up things, it's nowhere near Trump's conduct on this front.

[candide]

52 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

He does encourage people to wear masks and keep social distancing. It's mentioned often enough in his comments. As for "often seen unmasked", I doubt that's based on anything much - many of the public addresses he gives are done in front of limited crowds/reporters, and keeping in line with social distancing. Any way you wish to spin or make up things, it's nowhere near Trump's conduct on this front.

Too bad you missed his deleted post showing pictures from before the epidemic, as a proof of his claim! ????????????????

[Masterton]

11 hours ago, ShindenGo said:

Which is why we need to change the system when we get power to make it more equal for everyone else:

 

1. Remove minority filibuster

2. Add additional seats to the Supreme Court

3. National mail-in ballots that can be submitted a week before and a few weeks after the election

4. Commit to ALL VOTES being counted no matter what

5. Eliminate the electoral college and implement a national vote to chose the president. 
6. End presidential term limits. We can’t keep going back into the past

 

 

this is how to save America. This how to end racism in America. This is how to end systemic and institutionalized racism in America. This is how we join the global alliance. 

 

ShindenGo is clearly a troll, I am surprised more people haven't figured it out yet. Some of his posts on this thread, although ironic, are pure comedy gold. 

[forehandplus]

4 minutes ago, Masterton said:

 

ShindenGo is clearly a troll, I am surprised more people haven't figured it out yet. Some of his posts on this thread, although ironic, are pure comedy gold. 

Actually, name-calling without providing any rationale to back it up is trolling. 

Edited September 12, 2020 by forehandplus

[Masterton]

10 minutes ago, forehandplus said:

Actually, name-calling without providing any rationale to back it up is trolling. 

 

No, not really. And I am not the only one to have figured it out, but if you think those are really his/her views then please carry on ????

[forehandplus]

3 minutes ago, Masterton said:

 

No, not really. And I am not the only one to have figured it out, but if you think those are really his/her views then please carry on ????

Again, no rationale provided. Unless you believe that a vague reference to the opinions of others counts.

[Scott]

A post commenting on a source has been removed along with reply.

 

[Damual Travesty]

16 hours ago, simple1 said:

trump is not trying to end 'the war machine', in fact he's pouring massive amounts of money into the military and opening up another front; space. Increasing strategic risk to US forces by demeaning allies and so on. e.g. NATO member countries were not in breach of agree funding agreements. As we've already seen troop withdrawals have been opposed by senior military commanders, due to the flow on risks in places such as Afghanistan and Syria. trump is negotiating with terrorist groups, no cries of 'traitor' from trump supporters, in order to have a highly questionable 'win' prior to 03/11.

 

Migration into the US has overwhelmingly been n advantage to the US. There are plenty of observers saying the current policy being driven by a white nationalist / alt right promoter, Stephen Miller, will actually cause more harm than good for the US economy - I mean really, someone like Stephen Miller is a senior advisor to trump!

Trump is attempting to withdraw entirely from the Middle East. Entirely. Trump is trying to remove troops from Europe as they serve no good purpose there. Germany and France and any other ally who works against the USA is NOT an ally. Europe can defend itself against the Russians. If they are worried over there, no better method exists to get the Europeans to take care of themselves then to leave them on their own. NATO should be dissolved. I am not opposed to new agreements to take its place. Likewise Turkey is not ally either. Trump is strengthening military capability. Trump is firming up US resolve in the Asian region, especially the South China Sea. Our Senior Military Commanders who perhaps oppose withdrawal from the Middle East have been at the forefront of failed policy which surprisingly you seem to advocate. In my opinion, you do not have a clue about what you are talking about, all of your posts simply indicate an anti-American non-American claimer of understanding of that which you have no understanding of.  Migration to the USA has always had an advantage to the USA when it is done in accordance with immigration policy. No country allows for illegal immigration to the tune of millions without serious negative repercussions. Here is my prediction: Trump wins. The GOP takes back the house. Holds the Senate. However once they have won, as they did last time, a the Anti-Trumpers, the Neo-conservatives - blue dogs - and people who make money in China, and are sold out to them (mostly out there in California) will join together in bi-Partisan policy with Democrats that will do their best to water down any Trump initiatives. Hopefully this time around, the Freedom caucus will prevail and the Country will move forward with strength instead of hampered by the ill ideas of progressives who are no more then a plague upon our country. Trump is the greatest President the USA has seen since Ronald Reagan! No doubt about it! We need to continue with a strong President capable of mobilizing American resolve around the Chinese threats. The Navy needs more ships, the Australians need more ships, the British need more ships, the Japanese need more ships, The Kiwi need more ships (unless the decide to claim some sort of Neutrality, or more likely a vassal state. Vietnam needs more ships. And everyone needs to start building them yesterday!

[simple1]

12 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

Trump is attempting to withdraw entirely from the Middle East. Entirely. Trump is trying to remove troops from Europe as they serve no good purpose there. Germany and France and any other ally who works against the USA is NOT an ally. Europe can defend itself against the Russians. If they are worried over there, no better method exists to get the Europeans to take care of themselves then to leave them on their own. NATO should be dissolved. I am not opposed to new agreements to take its place. Likewise Turkey is not ally either. Trump is strengthening military capability. Trump is firming up US resolve in the Asian region, especially the South China Sea. Our Senior Military Commanders who perhaps oppose withdrawal from the Middle East have been at the forefront of failed policy which surprisingly you seem to advocate. In my opinion, you do not have a clue about what you are talking about, all of your posts simply indicate an anti-American non-American claimer of understanding of that which you have no understanding of.  Migration to the USA has always had an advantage to the USA when it is done in accordance with immigration policy. No country allows for illegal immigration to the tune of millions without serious negative repercussions. Here is my prediction: Trump wins. The GOP takes back the house. Holds the Senate. However once they have won, as they did last time, a the Anti-Trumpers, the Neo-conservatives - blue dogs - and people who make money in China, and are sold out to them (mostly out there in California) will join together in bi-Partisan policy with Democrats that will do their best to water down any Trump initiatives. Hopefully this time around, the Freedom caucus will prevail and the Country will move forward with strength instead of hampered by the ill ideas of progressives who are no more then a plague upon our country. Trump is the greatest President the USA has seen since Ronald Reagan! No doubt about it! We need to continue with a strong President capable of mobilizing American resolve around the Chinese threats. The Navy needs more ships, the Australians need more ships, the British need more ships, the Japanese need more ships, The Kiwi need more ships (unless the decide to claim some sort of Neutrality, or more likely a vassal state. Vietnam needs more ships. And everyone needs to start building them yesterday!

echo chamber, fantasy world. BTW don't confuse dislike of trump with anti-Americanism - it's a false narrative. same BS as trump - oppose my policies - you're a traitor / scum whatever. Obviously, you know nothing of Australian defence posture / investment.

Edited September 12, 2020 by simple1

[Scott]

Continued making of unsubstantiated statements as fact will earn suspensions.   You've been warned. 

 

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, Damual Travesty said:

The Navy needs more ships, the Australians need more ships, the British need more ships, the Japanese need more ships, The Kiwi need more ships (unless the decide to claim some sort of Neutrality, or more likely a vassal state. Vietnam needs more ships. And everyone needs to start building them yesterday!

Cracking idea! An arms race - they always end well!

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, Masterton said:

 

ShindenGo is clearly a troll, I am surprised more people haven't figured it out yet. Some of his posts on this thread, although ironic, are pure comedy gold. 

Shindengo said:

"1. Remove minority filibuster

2. Add additional seats to the Supreme Court

3. National mail-in ballots that can be submitted a week before and a few weeks after the election

4. Commit to ALL VOTES being counted no matter what

5. Eliminate the electoral college and implement a national vote to chose the president. 
6. End presidential term limits. We can’t keep going back into the past"

 

Points 1 to 5 seem eminently sensible, point 6 is certainly one that could be debated. 

 

Why is it trolling?

[Bluespunk]

trump’s desperation is growing
 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/12/trump-biden-drugs-fox-news-interview?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[bendejo]

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

trump’s desperation is growing
 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/12/trump-biden-drugs-fox-news-interview?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

 

Quote

“I think there’s probably – possibly – drugs involved,” Trump told Jeanine Pirro. “That’s what I hear. I mean, there’s possibly drugs. I don’t know how you can go from being so bad where you can’t even get out a sentence … ”

Trump did not finish his own sentence, but he went on

Priceless!

My ex would do underhanded things to me, then immediately accuse me of doing it.  It's a form of gaslighting.  When DT comes out with stuff like this it's a sure bet he's doing what he's accusing the other of.  Probably something they teach them in MBA school.

 

Vitamin B-12 shots used to be the standard pep-me-up for seniors, a friends grandma would hit herself up before the family arrived on Thanksgiving.

 

Quote

That’s what I hear. I mean, there’s possibly drugs.

And there's the tell. 

 

 

Edited September 13, 2020 by bendejo

[AussieBob18]

???? ???? ????  Is it 2016 again ??

 

[simple1]

1 hour ago, AussieBob18 said:

???? ???? ????  Is it 2016 again ??

 

 

Yes. Clear signals trump is unfit for the Office of the President of the USA.

[bunnydrops]

21 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So, not by much then. Hillary was ahead before the election too. It's a long time till the election in political terms. Still anyone's guess IMO.

In the last election I was kind of happy to see Trump get the Rep nomination. I would say "Hillary is so hated, that anyone except Trump would win against her". Well, I was half right. This time around the hate factor is running in reverse. There really isn't a "Never Biden" group as such. No more "lock him/her up" chants. The pollsters, have looked at where they went wrong last time in their sampling and have tried to fix it. Have they? Only time will tell.

[J Town]

2 minutes ago, bunnydrops said:

In the last election I was kind of happy to see Trump get the Rep nomination. I would say "Hillary is so hated, that anyone except Trump would win against her". Well, I was half right. This time around the hate factor is running in reverse. There really isn't a "Never Biden" group as such. No more "lock him/her up" chants. The pollsters, have looked at where they went wrong last time in their sampling and have tried to fix it. Have they? Only time will tell.

The problem this election is Biden is the great "meh." He is Republican lite. Bernie is pushing him hard to support universal health care like all the cool countries do. Biden will resist because he's just another old white guy 1 percenter in Big Pharma's pocket. This will not excite the independents who are needed in any election, being the largest voting group. You are absolutely correct in that it is the hatred for 45 that is driving this election.

[Sujo]

21 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So, not by much then. Hillary was ahead before the election too. It's a long time till the election in political terms. Still anyone's guess IMO.

Hillary was ahead also after the election.

[bunnydrops]

18 minutes ago, J Town said:

The problem this election is Biden is the great "meh." He is Republican lite. Bernie is pushing him hard to support universal health care like all the cool countries do. Biden will resist because he's just another old white guy 1 percenter in Big Pharma's pocket. This will not excite the independents who are needed in any election, being the largest voting group. You are absolutely correct in that it is the hatred for 45 that is driving this election.

I agree Biden is not exciting. But almost anyone else that was running would have been beaten over the head with the fear factor stick of "extremist, leftest". It is being used on Biden, but he is so middle of the road, its hard to get it to stick.

[Maktian D]

Not sure how many folks here are american .  but  as a american I know  a win for Biden is a win for China .  Trump is the first president who removed nafta,   put tariffs on china . make nato member pays there fair share . and the list keeps going on.   He is the only savior of whatever littls is left of america ( with all these flag burning.  america heating culture that is going on )  . 

[Sujo]

10 minutes ago, Maktian D said:

Not sure how many folks here are american .  but  as a american I know  a win for Biden is a win for China .  Trump is the first president who removed nafta,   put tariffs on china . make nato member pays there fair share . and the list keeps going on.   He is the only savior of whatever littls is left of america ( with all these flag burning.  america heating culture that is going on )  . 

Removed nafta then what.

Tarrifs on china that US pays.

Nato members were paying and upholding their agreements. that money doesnt go to the US and has no impact on US.

 

How is US winning the trade war with china?

[bunnydrops]

16 minutes ago, Maktian D said:

Not sure how many folks here are american .  but  as a american I know  a win for Biden is a win for China .  Trump is the first president who removed nafta,   put tariffs on china . make nato member pays there fair share . and the list keeps going on.   He is the only savior of whatever littls is left of america ( with all these flag burning.  america heating culture that is going on )  . 

Trumps idea?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/08/08/trumps-false-claim-that-clinton-only-recently-pledged-to-renegotiate-nafta/

[J Town]

3 minutes ago, Sujo said:

17 minutes ago, Maktian D said:

Not sure how many folks here are american .  but  as a american I know  a win for Biden is a win for China .  Trump is the first president who removed nafta,   put tariffs on china . make nato member pays there fair share . and the list keeps going on.   He is the only savior of whatever littls is left of america ( with all these flag burning.  america heating culture that is going on )  . 

Removed nafta then what.

Tarrifs on china that US pays.

Nato members were paying and upholding their agreements. that money doesnt go to the US and has no impact on US.

 

How is US winning the trade war with china?

Some people just like koolaid.

[Tie Dye Samurai]

13 hours ago, Morch said:

 

I don't know how much you've seen, but how's Biden an "obvious puppet"? And while at it, who pulls his strings? What you "guess" about Biden being "promptly replaced" is based on nothing but your imagination and Trump campaign talking points.

I agree with this....I would love for him to present his evidence that Biden is such an "obvious puppet" other than hearing the fountain of truth himself Dear President or some actual, genuine obvious puppets, Fox News Opinion, bellow it out in one of their typical rants.

[Rimmer]

A conspiracy troll post has been removed also a reply

[Meat Pie 47]

46 minutes ago, bunnydrops said:

Trumps idea?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/08/08/trumps-false-claim-that-clinton-only-recently-pledged-to-renegotiate-nafta/

More false claims by Trump

 

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-bob-woodward-books-deflating-revelation-about-donald-trump/news-story/cec554afeafc1f8f54139cefdd160062

[Morch]

8 hours ago, forehandplus said:

Actually, name-calling without providing any rationale to back it up is trolling. 

 

Doubt it's on regardless of rationale. That said, I agree with the post bellow:

 

7 hours ago, Masterton said:

 

No, not really. And I am not the only one to have figured it out, but if you think those are really his/her views then please carry on ????

 

Granted, not the best example used, the good stuff is a bit further back and about. Here's the lowdown:

 

China is the beacon to follow, Biden is an energetic savior who will heal all America's wounds, stop war races caused by Trump, and as a bonus, that he instills fear in Putin's heart. Blacks voting for Trump are "race traitors". They would do better supporting Biden because then they will be set free from their 400 years long enslavement. As a side dish, the LatinX brothers and sisters will be "uplifted" and then "finally be fully fledged American citizens". That woman accusing Biden of sexual offenses? Well, why was she wearing sexy clothing in the winter? Face it. All these riots, protests and looting are caused by Trump. It will not end if he wins. We can only secure a lasting peace free from racial strife and divisions if we only elect Joe Biden. 

 

Pulling troops from Iraq is a "horrible decision", and no veterans will support Trump - this could be because he insulted John Bolton (yeah, I know). Obama got his Nobel Prize rightfully, because of noble deeds such as freeing Libya from Gaddafi, and Syria from Assad. Assad by the way, threatened his own citizens with chemical attacks during Trump's term (nevermind the timeline).

 

As to whether it's trolling or genuine, I'd go with the first. The rationale being that of presenting a warped image of Biden's support. What gives it away, IMO, is the Latinx bit. As said earlier, the quote from Tropical Thunder seems apt - "Never go full retard". On the off chance I'm off, then it's even more sad.