UK PM Johnson appeals to party for support over controversial bill

[bannork]

53 minutes ago, Nout said:

A parliamentary vote IS the law.

Not when you've signed an international agreement.

[Rookiescot]

4 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Which part are you struggling with?

????

You never made any counter points to struggle with.

As usual. 

[Bender Rodriguez]

did corona rot the few remaining brain cells ?

[CorpusChristie]

4 minutes ago, bannork said:

Not when you've signed an international agreement.

The UK is now out the EU, we can make our own laws now 

[bannork]

6 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

The UK is now out the EU, we can make our own laws now 

Nothing to do with being in or out. We signed a withdrawal agreement accepting the terms.

Boris trumpeted it, a great deal, he said.

This bill will also fuel nationalism in Scotland and Wales as it reduces the power of their assemblies.

 Little England coming soon 

[Rookiescot]

4 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Who says we are the junior party? As the ones who are Leaving, thus setting the format for all those who follow, we are the trendsetters therefore senior party.

 

Of course it was seen coming. It is beyond you because you are a blinkered scotch nationalist and europhile. We always knew the EU is predisposed to cheating and trying to rip off the UK. The EU threatened to not have UK on "Third Country" list for  and Boris and Dominic already had a Bill prepared for it. Remainer warnings don't mean much.

 

I've been waiting for it for four years, so no problem getting used to it. Loser Remainers may have a harder time getting used to No Deal, seeing as how none of you have got over the referendum yet. Some also have still not got over the Indyref either. Seems you have a problem getting used to democracy.

Wow you come across as an angry man.

Buyers remorse perhaps?

Look you guys won. We are leaving the EU. However the EU IS a far bigger entity than little old UK. Its a fact mate. Get used to it. Being the first to flounce out does not mean anyone else will follow. Especial when they look at the UK's drama strewn departure. Its been a joke so far worthy of a Christmas panto.

So when it comes to negotiations between a huge trading group and an insignificant other party then guess who holds all the cards?

Yes its the other guys. The bigger boys.

Hey you voted for it. Enjoy what you have won and lets celebrate.

[CorpusChristie]

3 minutes ago, bannork said:

Nothing to do with being in or out. We signed a withdrawal agreement accepting the terms.

Boris trumpeted it, a great deal, he said.

This bill will also fuel nationalism in Scotland and Wales as it reduces the power of their assemblies.

 Little England coming soon 

Are you leaving us again ?

[Rookiescot]

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

Are you leaving us again ?

Its all going wrong aint it?

The UK was supposed to leave the EU and stride like a behemoth. 

Dictating the terms of withdrawal and forging a new empire.  

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Absolutely mate. Lets get it done. Lets break international law and then ask the Queen to sign it.

A twelve year stretch for her maj will be well worth the economic damage that Brexit is going to entail. 

But she will consider it her duty so you guys can have a different coloured passport.

 

You keep hoping for it mate. Still not happening.
It would be great to go to a proper court, not the tame EU jumped up one, but they are going to cave on the whole deal soon anyway.

[vogie]

24 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Thats it?

A 30 second sound bite from a rabid Brexiteer?

Oh I'm sure this is compelling evidence. The UK should have no trouble at all regarding their reneging on an international agreement.

Remainers were batting for team UK. Unfortunately they were beat in a single game by a team from English nationalism and exceptionalism. 

But it matters not a jot. We are leaving on the terms and conditions Brexiteers voted for.

Get used to it.

No ball!

 

Who would be your choice to give a fair and honest appraisal, Anna Soubry or perhaps Dominic Greive or even any of this lot?

 

 

 

 

[Loiner]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Wow you come across as an angry man.

Buyers remorse perhaps?

Look you guys won. We are leaving the EU. However the EU IS a far bigger entity than little old UK. Its a fact mate. Get used to it. Being the first to flounce out does not mean anyone else will follow. Especial when they look at the UK's drama strewn departure. Its been a joke so far worthy of a Christmas panto.

So when it comes to negotiations between a huge trading group and an insignificant other party then guess who holds all the cards?

Yes its the other guys. The bigger boys.

Hey you voted for it. Enjoy what you have won and lets celebrate.

I've been celebrating since 17th June 2016, but Remainers have regularly made me angry since then too.

No worries, we'll be having a bigger celebration from 2021. Not sure half the scotch will be invited though.

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, ukrules said:

It doesn't break 'international law', that's merely a distraction.

The Chair of the Faculty of Law at Cambridge seems to think differently. Maybe you should explain to him why he is wrong? Maybe you could explain to all of us why he is wrong?

 

The Internal Market Bill - A Perfect Constitutional Storm

 

"Public Law for Everyone is written by Mark Elliott. Mark is Professor of Public Law and Chair of the Faculty of Law at the University of Cambridge, and a Fellow of St Catharine’s College, Cambridge. He also served, from 2015 to 2019, as Legal Adviser to the House of Lords Select Committee on the Constitution. "

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

No ball!

 

Who would be your choice to give a fair and honest appraisal, Anna Soubry or perhaps Dominic Greive or even any of this lot?

 

 

 

 

Well perhaps people who know what they are talking about.

 

Maybe this guy. 

 

Philippe Sands QC, a professor of international law at University College London, said: “Every international lawyer is familiar with the Vienna convention on the law of treaties, and its article 27, which reflects a general principle: ‘A party may not invoke the provisions of its internal law as justification for its failure to perform a treaty’.

“There is simply no way around this binding rule – to opine that parliament is sovereign is, in this sense, hopeless.”

 

 

[david555]

14 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

The UK is now out the EU, we can make our own laws now 

Once more !….. why U.K. still sit on that table , hoping for what ? …. as can make all what you like don't need any other party 

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

I've been celebrating since 17th June 2016, but Remainers have regularly made me angry since then too.

No worries, we'll be having a bigger celebration from 2021. Not sure half the scotch will be invited though.

Its actually a fact that more than half of the Scots will not turn up for your wake. 

But enjoy your little self isolation party mate.

Have a ball.

And stop being angry. You won.

Now everyone else just has to deal with what you knowingly won.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

Well perhaps people who know what they are talking about.

 

Maybe this guy. 

 

Philippe Sands QC, a professor of international law at University College London, said: “Every international lawyer is familiar with the Vienna convention on the law of treaties, and its article 27, which reflects a general principle: ‘A party may not invoke the provisions of its internal law as justification for its failure to perform a treaty’.

“There is simply no way around this binding rule – to opine that parliament is sovereign is, in this sense, hopeless.”

 

 

Faux outrage, if Barnier had gotten one over on Boris instead of the other way round, you would all be doing cart wheels down the Champs Elysees. Bon chance.

[pagan1]

25 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Who says we are the junior party? As the ones who are Leaving, thus setting the format for all those who follow, we are the trendsetters therefore senior party.

 

Over the past 4 years I have read some deluded and <deleted> arguments from both sides but this statement  not only takes the biscuit but the whole afternoon tea !!! 

[Loiner]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

Its actually a fact that more than half of the Scots will not turn up for your wake. 

But enjoy your little self isolation party mate.

Have a ball.

And stop being angry. You won.

Now everyone else just has to deal with what you knowingly won.

If you want a wake, there will be a big one in Brussels.

So you finally accept that we did win, but still keep moaning and won't just deal with it.

[Rookiescot]

Just now, vogie said:

Faux outrage, if Barnier had gotten one over on Boris instead of the other way round, you would all be doing cart wheels down the Champs Elysees. Bon chance.

Now come on Vogie you should know me better than that by now.

Johnson did not get one over on anyone. Hence why the UK is looking at breaking international law and not the EU.

 

[Loiner]

1 minute ago, pagan1 said:

Over the past 4 years I have read some deluded and <deleted> arguments from both sides but this statement  not only takes the biscuit but the whole afternoon tea !!! 

Hello, another reincarnation after 4 years of non-participation?

[Rookiescot]

Just now, Loiner said:

If you want a wake, there will be a big one in Brussels.

So you finally accept that we did win, but still keep moaning and won't just deal with it.

Accepted Brexit a long time ago. When English nationalists elected Johnson in the last general election.

Hell now I want the hardest, meanest, most device Brexit going. You guys won it. You guys own it.

And the damage it does is your fault.

 

[CorpusChristie]

26 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Its all going wrong aint it?

The UK was supposed to leave the EU and stride like a behemoth. 

Dictating the terms of withdrawal and forging a new empire.  

The UK wasnt supposed  to do that , where did you get that impression from ?

[Rookiescot]

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

The UK wasnt supposed  to do that , where did you get that impression from ?

The leave campaign. Same place you got it from.

[CorpusChristie]

Just now, Rookiescot said:

The leave campaign. Same place you got it from.

Who claimed that the UK would "dictate the terms of withdrawal "

[Rookiescot]

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

Who claimed that the UK would "dictate the terms of withdrawal "

"They need us more than we need them"

"German car makers"

"Easiest trade deal in history"

"We import more from them than they do from us" as if that was a good thing lol.

 

All part of the lies put out by the leave campaign.

Tell me. Where in the leave campaign did it mention being a junior partner arguing with a massive trade block? 

Remain tried to tell you all this but you all dismissed those arguments because "Dunkirk, Agincourt and a world cup in 1966".

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

"They need us more than we need them"

"German car makers"

"Easiest trade deal in history"

"We import more from them than they do from us" as if that was a good thing lol.

 

All part of the lies put out by the leave campaign.

Tell me. Where in the leave campaign did it mention being a junior partner arguing with a massive trade block? 

Remain tried to tell you all this but you all dismissed those arguments because "Dunkirk, Agincourt and a world cup in 1966".

You didnt answer my question

Which person stated that the UK would "dictate the terms of withdrawal ? 

 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Internal Market Bill. There's a hint in the name. 
Whatever we do internally the UK, between mainland Great Britain and Northern Ireland, our own laws take precedent over other stuff. Boris has clarified it. 

What it is called is completely irrelevant. It breaks international law, a fact acknowledged by Brandon Lewis.

[puipuitom]

2 hours ago, flossie35 said:

It's not fake. There has to be a border between the EU and a neighbouring territory outside the EU. The border can't be between the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland as that would be against the Good Friday Agreement. The only alternative is the one in the agreement signed by BJ and which he now wants to rat on. That could work with proper preparation but as is normal with this bunch of incompetent bunglers the preparation hasn't been done. People have rightly turned against brexit which apart from being highly damaging politically and economically is very difficult to put into effect. The referendum was advisory and this appallingly bad advice should never have been taken.

Correct. the EU outside border OR between S +N Ireland or... somewhere else, for instance between the remain and Leave border in Northern Ireland, or.. in the sea between N Ireland and the UK or.. south of the Gealic Confederation ( S + N Ireland + Scotland ) or ....

But this all was very clear to Boris the Liar, when he signed that agreement.

[Rookiescot]

13 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

You didnt answer my question

Which person stated that the UK would "dictate the terms of withdrawal ? 

 

Oh please. The problem with rewriting history is that you have to wait till everyone who was around at the time to die off.

We both know those were the arguments made by the eave campaign as to why the UK would "win" any trade negotiations. 

Anything you say otherwise is disingenuous at best. 

[RayC]

Anyway enjoyable as this all is, I've got things to do. Robbing a bank actually. I'll be stealing the £50 notes but leaving the rest.  I accept that this breaks the law but it's only in "a specific and limited way" so, no doubt, all the  'Internal Bill' supporters, with their unique interpretation of the law, will be offering their help to me when I'm charged?