Toyota Hilux Vigo 3ltr D4D auto transmission box

[Jen65]

Does anyone have information on obtaining a service exchange/reconditioned box ??  

I have some some "clunking" / slight jolt from the box when stopping or starting off and I think there may be excessive end play in the gears . It is not recommend to try and repair these ones-self or by local garage as needs specialist auto transmission company/workshop to do and best to exchange for a reconditioned box.

I would prefer NOT dealing with Toyota directly as their prices are ridiculously high but there must be companies here that do Auto Transmission repairs / exchange boxes ??

 

[pgrahmm]

I had an A/T problem & researched, looking to find a valid auto trans repair facility.....

There were none around CM, most just stuff a "good" used box in = a real roll of the dice....

Eventually, I discovered online that there was 1 good, large established shop in Bangkok...

Unfortunately, it was a few years back & I didn't keep the name as I no longer have the vehicle.....

There's a real shortage of these type of rebuilders in TH....

[Kwasaki]

Have you checked the oil level.? 

[NanLaew]

4 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Have you checked the oil level.? 

How old is the vehicle, how many km on the clock and what's the service history, especially with regard to the A/T?

[Kwasaki]

22 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

How old is the vehicle, how many km on the clock and what's the service history, especially with regard to the A/T?

OP said Toyota Hilux Vigo 3ltr D4D auto transmission box not that old.

You say "Especially with regard to the A/T?"  what on earth are you trying say. !!!

[Daffy D]

9 hours ago, Jen65 said:

I have some some "clunking" / slight jolt from the box when stopping or starting off

You realise there could be many other reasons for this "clunking", anything from engine mounts to prop shaft, rear axle, and dampers and who knows what.

 

Why not take it into Toyota and get a mechanic to check it out. 

 

You can always go somewhere else for an actual repair 

 

 

 

[Jen65]

Vehicle is 15 years old with 210,000 km on the clock and always farang owned and serviced previously by Toyota .  Full history with Toyota and vehicle is immaculate for year / well maintained  .

I now use an english mechanic as not impressed by Toyota practices and prices !   I have the workshop manual and follow that !!!

Transmission oil checked when running and is fine , no discoloration or any burning smells .   Just greased up the sliding yoke on  propshaft and marginally improved things but the "clunk" still there .

[Daffy D]

22 hours ago, Jen65 said:

some "clunking" / slight jolt from the box when stopping or starting off and I think there may be excessive end play in the gears

Unlikely to hear "Clunking" from inside the gearbox. 

 

I would still go for something loose with the drivetrain or bushes in the suspension.

 

Try to get someone to lie on the floor next to the vehicle to listen while you stop/start. Should have a better chance of identifying the origin of the "Clunking"

 

Try it with the handbrake on.

 

[pgrahmm]

3 minutes ago, Daffy D said:

Unlikely to hear "Clunking" from inside the gearbox. 

 

I would still go for something loose with the drivetrain or bushes in the suspension.

 

Try to get someone to lie on the floor next to the vehicle to listen while you stop/start. Should have a better chance of identifying the origin of the "Clunking"

 

Try it with the handbrake on.

 

If you are going to attempt this, cut off a long length of hose & use it as a stethoscope to zero in on the point of origin....If the clunk is when put into gear just have someone drop it into forward/reverse repeatedly.....

Definitely want to do it with someone that has no language barrier & is savvy about vehicles as well as safety.....

4x4 ? Adds other possibilities....

[NanLaew]

14 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

OP said Toyota Hilux Vigo 3ltr D4D auto transmission box not that old.

You say "Especially with regard to the A/T?"  what on earth are you trying say. !!!

The OP never suggested anything about his truck being "...not that old..." so that's why I asked.

 

Not being familiar as you seem to be with the service interval for Toyota A/T (automatic transmissions), I was simply asking if there was any record of anything being done to the A/T (automatic transmission).

 

Then the OP subsequently offers...

 

2 hours ago, Jen65 said:

Vehicle is 15 years old with 210,000 km on the clock and always farang owned and serviced previously by Toyota .  Full history with Toyota and vehicle is immaculate for year / well maintained  .

I now use an english mechanic as not impressed by Toyota practices and prices !   I have the workshop manual and follow that !!!

Transmission oil checked when running and is fine , no discoloration or any burning smells .   Just greased up the sliding yoke on  propshaft and marginally improved things but the "clunk" still there .

A quick google indicates that the vehicle's A/T (automatic transmission) fluid should have been changed at least twice already, at 90k and 180k. Maybe the OP can confirm if it has been done.

 

Now if you'll excuse me, I will wait till @transam's contribution to this thread as I value his knowledge and experience of driving old Toyota 'clunkers' more than that of a Jpanese bike.

 

 

 

 

[fredob43]

To the OP have a look at the U/J on the prop. They should be greased every 10k km. They are not on Toyota 10k service sheet??? and if you want them done you have to ask. With the mileage you have done they could well be Buggered. That will give you the clunking you say you get. Easy to check once on the lift. That's of cause the chap you use has a lift???

 

Oh and by the way gearbox oil should be changed every 40k (It's in the Book) and not as some have said 90k.

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

Now if you'll excuse me, I will wait till @transam's contribution to this thread as I value his knowledge and experience of driving old Toyota 'clunkers' more than that of a Jpanese bike.

Fair call, looks like his later post should of been his first post. 

 

I had the same Vigo as trans never a problem.

 

trans may come in but looks like OP has help already. 

 

I was an engineer too for part my life cars / bikes. ???? ????

[Jen65]

Thanks for all the advice and information to date .   I can feel the "clunk" on the shift lever and it's definitely there after braking and coming to a stop keeping foot on the brake and then immediately moving off .Vehicle has been on the lift and checked out - only the sliding yoke was lacking grease .  When it stops raining will investigate further - check UJ's / Try with handbrake on etc and see if can pinpoint problem , also with 2nd person on outside to listen .

[transam]

Must admit that modern autos are a bit of a mystery for me, but, there is very little to go wrong internally that would create a clunk, they just ain't built like a manual regarding internal construction, it relies on oil pressure....Torque converter is the only thing that may produce a noise if it is stuffed, I doubt it's that though, but hey, I do have the T-shirt....????

 

I believe, but not sure, that the shifter is a rod, so you will feel through it. In the past I would check UJ's and engine and gearbox mounts. There will be axle "play" which makes checking UJ's a bit of a problem, but for a "clunk" it would have to be a serious fail and you would know about that when in motion..

[NanLaew]

21 hours ago, fredob43 said:

To the OP have a look at the U/J on the prop. They should be greased every 10k km. They are not on Toyota 10k service sheet??? and if you want them done you have to ask. With the mileage you have done they could well be Buggered. That will give you the clunking you say you get. Easy to check once on the lift. That's of cause the chap you use has a lift???

 

Oh and by the way gearbox oil should be changed every 40k (It's in the Book) and not as some have said 90k.

Good point on the greasing and probably a good idea to keep an eye on what they are doing once they have your ride on the hoist. I had one intermediate service at the otherwise decent Ford dealership where they missed that part of the job. I bailed them up on it and it went back up on the hoist. Only took 2 or 3 minutes for them to complete what they should have done in the first place. Maybe a new trainee mech (or tech as they re-labeled themselves) or a shop manager not paying attention but it never happened again.

 

I had quick googled for Vigo maintenance guide and a Toyota New Zealand one came up tops saying 90 k oil change intervals for both manual and auto boxes. Maybe it's different here with the heat and humidity? With some foreign owners clutching to the recommended service intervals of yore and insisting on 5 k engine oil drops and the like, I'm not surprised by any dealerships confusion.

 

19 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Fair call, looks like his later post should of been his first post. 

 

I had the same Vigo as trans never a problem.

 

trans may come in but looks like OP has help already. 

 

I was an engineer too for part my life cars / bikes. ????????

It does indeed seem to be in-hand. Although trucks and mechanics aren't by any means my forte, my working life on remote sites where one needed to be able to 'fix' stuff in the bush before limping back to the mechanics in camp has paid dividends. Basic stuff like blocked fuel filters, flat batteries and the never to be forgotten 50 mile desert trek in a Deutz V10 powered 6x6 on 10-speed crash box with a broken clutch pedal! Taught me all I ever needed to know about double-declutching and a nearly dislocated shoulder when I got it wrong! As a habit, maybe once a month I get the crawler board out and have a good look at my truck's underpinnings (but recently I had to take the side rails off to get my gut under there).

[NanLaew]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

Must admit that modern autos are a bit of a mystery for me, but, there is very little to go wrong internally that would create a clunk, they just ain't built like a manual regarding internal construction, it relies on oil pressure....Torque converter is the only thing that may produce a noise if it is stuffed, I doubt it's that though, but hey, I do have the T-shirt....????

 

I believe, but not sure, that the shifter is a rod, so you will feel through it. In the past I would check UJ's and engine and gearbox mounts. There will be axle "play" which makes checking UJ's a bit of a problem, but for a "clunk" it would have to be a serious fail and you would know about that when in motion..

I think someone else has mentioned mounts and bushings. They either get hard, crack or break and only gravity keeps things in place vertically. I had a rental Mazda 626 years ago that had an almighty double-clunk when giving it the welly from standstill and again into second gear. Popped the bonnet and revved the bejezuz out of it but couldn't see anything. Then I noticed indentations on the liner on the underside of the hood/bonnet that were commensurate with a lifting lug and other pointy bits on the top of the engine. Turns out both main engine mounts were completely parted with gravity keeping it mostly in place until high engine revs and torque came up against an A/T sitting stationary in D and the hood/bonnet did the restraining.

[transam]

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

I think someone else has mentioned mounts and bushings. They either get hard, crack or break and only gravity keeps things in place vertically. I had a rental Mazda 626 years ago that had an almighty double-clunk when giving it the welly from standstill and again into second gear. Popped the bonnet and revved the bejezuz out of it but couldn't see anything. Then I noticed indentations on the liner on the underside of the hood/bonnet that were commensurate with a lifting lug and other pointy bits on the top of the engine. Turns out both main engine mounts were completely parted with gravity keeping it mostly in place until high engine revs and torque came up against an A/T sitting stationary in D and the hood/bonnet did the restraining.

Yep, mount rubber and steel can part, oil contamination is the usual culprit, or an engine using extreme torque, I have the T-shirt for the latter....