U.S. President Trump and Melania test positive for COVID-19

[stevenl]

20 minutes ago, TKDfella said:

Read Posts #480 where  stevenl  said that he didn't wish Pres Trump dead but wished him seriously ill. My reply was #488. So I didn't make it up but perhaps you need new glasses, eh?

Your representation of my post is dishonest.

[Neeranam]

4 hours ago, RocketDog said:

The health of my country and society are vastly more important to me than this man's fate

The great thing about the USA is that there are Democratic elections where the people get to vote for their leader. 

[polpott]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

The great thing about the USA is that there are Democratic elections where the people get to vote for their leader. 

But the majority don't always get what they voted for. Faux democracy.

[TKDfella]

5 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Your representation of my post is dishonest.

Not so because I gave the post numbers for verification. The other poster argued that I had made it up and I didn't...you wrote it and that is true. You need to calm down and stop wishing ill to others and perhaps take some of your own advice (hoping Pres. Trump would learn). Step back and ask yourself if you really want others to see you as an ill wisher.

[pegman]

4 hours ago, Tagged said:

The good thing, he do volounteer for not proven treatment, and has received a single 8 gram dose of Regeneron's polyclonal antibody cocktail that still is undergoing a clinical trial. 

 

I do not know if that means they do take it serous, or thay by now, know it is safe. Exiting times. 

 

 

Get well mr President. 

 

 

 

 It definitely sounds to me like they are taking desperate measures so you would think he's in desperate shape.

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

But the majority don't always get what they voted for. Faux democracy.

lol another sore laser from 4 years ago.  For God's sake man, get over it. You also have a voice to change the way the elections operate. Did you complain when Bush won that way? Thought so. You only sing when you're winning 

[polpott]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

lol another sore laser from 4 years ago.  For God's sake man, get over it. You also have a voice to change the way the elections operate. Did you complain when Bush won that way? Thought so. You only sing when you're winning 

Not complaining, just giving you the reality of democracy in the US. 

[stevenl]

6 minutes ago, TKDfella said:

Not so because I gave the post numbers for verification. The other poster argued that I had made it up and I didn't...you wrote it and that is true. You need to calm down and stop wishing ill to others and perhaps take some of your own advice (hoping Pres. Trump would learn). Step back and ask yourself if you really want others to see you as an ill wisher.

Yes, you did represent my opinion dishonestly. You mentioned I wished him ill, but by by omitting my other comments (hope he recovers fast, gets beaten in the election, gets investigated and comes away a better person) you misrepresented.

[RocketDog]

Just now, Neeranam said:

The great thing about the USA is that there are Democratic elections where the people get to vote for their leader. 

The tragic thing about the USA is that the Republican party, the President, and several State Governors have been doing all they can to suppress the electorate they cannot capture and to invalidate the process this very day to discourage voters. Houston Texas is part of Harris County, a huge county. The Governor of Texas just forced the closure of all ballot boxes except for a single one in every county in Texas; case in point. I lived in Houston for 5 years and know that it could well take me several hours to drive across Houston itself and perhaps another few hours waiting in line to put my ballot in the box. This is conceived and executed by a Republican Governor of a Red state.

 

A democratically elected presidency would have seen Clinton elected in 2016. The sad truth is that an antiquated device called the Electoral College meets well after the election is over to 'certify' the winner. This process is only vaguely related to the popular vote in each State.

 

It has become painfully obvious that America is a democracy in trouble. When a minority party seizes control of the government that is surely NOT a democracy.

[Opl]

1 minute ago, RocketDog said:

The tragic thing about the USA is that the Republican party, the President, and several State Governors have been doing all they can to suppress the electorate they cannot capture and to invalidate the process this very day to discourage voters. Houston Texas is part of Harris County, a huge county. The Governor of Texas just forced the closure of all ballot boxes except for a single one in every county in Texas; case in point. I lived in Houston for 5 years and know that it could well take me several hours to drive across Houston itself and perhaps another few hours waiting in line to put my ballot in the box. This is conceived and executed by a Republican Governor of a Red state.

 

A democratically elected presidency would have seen Clinton elected in 2016. The sad truth is that an antiquated device called the Electoral College meets well after the election is over to 'certify' the winner. This process is only vaguely related to the popular vote in each State.

 

It has become painfully obvious that America is a democracy in trouble. When a minority party seizes control of the government that is surely NOT a democracy.

and once you managed to insert your ballot in the box, how is the Box's integrity monitored?  

[Neeranam]

3 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

It has become painfully obvious that America is a democracy in trouble. When a minority party seizes control of the government that is surely NOT a democracy.

Please tell me why you didn't change after Bush won, getting less votes?

[RocketDog]

19 hours ago, Mick501 said:

If it turns out that Joe is a super spreader, at least they will have identified something he is good at.

well, it has 'turned out' now.

 

The result? Trump'Melania (and a host of his friends) are infected and they likely are spreaders themselves. At least they HAVE identified something he is good at.

 

Joe tested negative.

 

[RocketDog]

Just now, Neeranam said:

Please tell me why you didn't change after Bush won, getting less votes?

If it was in my power I would have eliminated the Federal Reserve and the Electoral College long ago.

 

Your question is relevant though, and is being considered very seriously now across America. Several States have signed a 'Compact' pledging their electoral candidates to vote for the winner of the popular vote in that state. This may be the beginning of a tide of change.

 

I have often stated that the only possible benefit to the Trump era is that America will wake up to the fact that demagogues are always among us and vigilance is necessary for a healthy democracy.

 

Let's hope that he and his ilk will never again seize power illegitimately.

[RocketDog]

4 minutes ago, Opl said:

and once you managed to insert your ballot in the box, how is the Box's integrity monitored?  

Good point. With the GOP frantically poisoning the electoral process at every opportunity and in every manner possible  it's impossible to know who can be trusted.

 

This whole presidency is a cautionary tale and wake up call for Americans.

[onthedarkside]

The topic here is - U.S. President Trump and Melania test positive for COVID-19

 

Off-topic and bickering posts have been removed, along with an ongoing posters' debate over Trump's past mocking of a New York Times reporter who has a disability.

 

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, polpott said:

"Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord" and Trump and his entourage all come down with Covid. Its a sign from God. Those bible belters will all be voting Biden now.

You presume logic will be followed.

 

Bible Belt fundamentalism doesn't really do logic!

[johnnybangkok]

23 hours ago, Cod Face said:

Not as many as are normally killed by the flu every year, though.  Relax.

 

Bear in mind that the death numbers that you quoted are for those who tested positive for Covid-19 at the time of death and include those who would have died anyway from underlying illnesses even if they hadn't contracted the virus.  Being C-19 positive at the time of death doesn't mean that C-19 was the cause of death.

 

Relax.

Willful ignorance at its absolute finest. 
Each and every one of your “facts” has been debunked numerous times. To keep quoting this nonsense is why the US has the problem it does. 

[RocketDog]

this topic is now a dead horse.

 

The only thing we can do now is wait to see how many of the white house staff and true believers are infected, how they fare, and how they react to sharing a real life experience with the millions of Americans they have callously ignored for the last 10 months. "It is what it is", no?

 

One thing is guaranteed however: they will receive much better medical care than most Americans could every hope to.

[EVENKEEL]

It's going to rock when Trump's walks out of the hospital wearing his MAGA hat ready for the election.

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

Disagree, I hope it will make him a better man with empathy for other human beings. So not vengeful at all, but hopeful his darkness can be turned into lightness.

Sadly I expect you will be disappointed.

 

If he returns to public life, or even twittering, it will be "me, me, me"!

 

[Cod Face]

4 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Willful ignorance at its absolute finest. 
Each and every one of your “facts” has been debunked numerous times. To keep quoting this nonsense is why the US has the problem it does. 

Nonsense.  Debunked by whom?

[polpott]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

It's going to rock when Trump's walks out of the hospital wearing his MAGA hat ready for the election.

After the election (if he lives to see it).

[Neeranam]

16 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

One thing is guaranteed however: they will receive much better medical care than most Americans could every hope to.

Would you want any different treatment for your president?

 

Although I don't like Trump or support him, I hope he gets well soon as he is the better man to run the country now and 4 years ago. 

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, TKDfella said:

It does seem that Pres. Trump has not taken care of his physical state and at his age it may turn serious.

I thought that he had announced some time ago that the Doctors were astonished at just how fit he was for a man of his age...

[xylophone]

5 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

I thought that he had announced some time ago that the Doctors were astonished at just how fit he was for a man of his age...

Surely he wasn't lying, was he????

[stevenl]

22 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Sadly I expect you will be disappointed.

 

If he returns to public life, or even twittering, it will be "me, me, me"!

 

So do I, unfortunately.

[herfiehandbag]

2 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

the candidate(s) would be replaced by their respective political committees.  any electors won by the deceased would be requested, although not required in most states, to cast their ballot for the replacement candidate.

 

representative democracy can get messy.

Thank you. That does raise another question - tracing those electors does rather invalidate the secret ballot?

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

funny we didn't heard anything from him yet, is he avoiding the news outlets?

It would be unseemly for a man of his stature to appear on TV giggling like Peter Sellers in an "Inspector Cleuseau" out take!

[johnnybangkok]

25 minutes ago, Cod Face said:

Nonsense.  Debunked by whom?

Deaths in the United States from the novel coronavirus topped more than 62,000 Thursday, making it deadlier than any flu season since 1967, according to data compiled by Reuters. 

The only deadlier flu seasons were in 1967 when about 100,000 Americans died, 1957 when 116,000 died and the Spanish flu of 1918 when 675,000 died, according to the CDC. https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/how-us-covid-19-fatalities-compare-to-worst-flu-seasons/731964

 

People who believe Covid-19 is not a big deal and is something we should just live with, like the flu, argue that the death toll is inflated because many of those who have died were old or had underlying medical conditions and would have died soon anyway. The argument is not only morally reprehensible but also scientifically flawed, experts say. If a person has a medical condition that puts them at greater risk of complications from Covid-19, and they catch the disease and die, epidemiologists say their death certificate should list Covid-19 as the cause of death. “People with underlying conditions such as diabetes & high blood pressure who died with Covid also died of Covid because they wouldn’t have died at that point in time without Covid,” Nisreen Alwan, PhD, associate professor in public health at the University of Southampton in England, said on Twitter.   https://elemental.medium.com/theres-nothing-contrived-about-the-coronavirus-death-toll-b729f2526cec

 

This is not difficult information to find, hence why I believe you are being willfully ignorant and NOT getting a cross section of scientifically backed information. You are only looking to back your own myopic view.

 

 

[ChouDoufu]

19 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Thank you. That does raise another question - tracing those electors does rather invalidate the secret ballot?

 

the people voting have secret ballots.  the electors?  maybe....but not all states have secret ballots for electors.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/19/how-does-the-electoral-college-actually-vote-an-explainer/

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/electoral-college-electors-232791

 

 

Edited October 3, 2020 by ChouDoufu