Meet the Americans 'standing by' for possible election violence

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

Prior to the recent Corona Relief package, the first 3 years of Obama presidency saw a larger 3 year increase in debt than the first 3 years under Trump.  Just pointing out the folks in glass houses should be careful throwing stones.  LOL

So you're comparing a stable economy that Trump inherited, without any need for increasing debt, to the crisis economy Obama inherited.

[Opl]

6 hours ago, DBath said:

I don’t have to prove squat to you and I’m not here to do your bidding, dude. Too many to post, do it yourself, it’s easy. Perhaps you can’t handle the truth?

3 self-proclaimed members of the far-right 'boogaloo' movement were arrested on domestic terrorism charges for trying to spark violence during protests

https://www.businessinsider.fr/us/3-boogaloo-men-terror-charges-george-floyd-protest-riot-conspiracy-2020-6

 

" Twitter says fake "Antifa" account was run by white supremacists ... in majority white suburbs, in the name of the Black Lives Matter movement. ... associated with a group called the "Boogaloo Bois" near the site of a protest."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/twitter-fake-antifa-acount-white-supremacists-removal/

 

just a foretaste

 

Edited October 12, 2020 by Opl

[Morch]

12 hours ago, pookondee said:

That may be true, but do you really think Biden has the mental capacity to handle those challenges?

He seems confused a lot of the time.

Most likely it will be left to his team and those around him to wing it.

 

Your post does sound positive about Covid however, so i can appreciate that. 

 

But as far as..Partial lockdowns and not much unexpected left about Covid..

 

I wish it were the case for Australia.

they still will not allow us to travel out of the country

 

"..do .you really think Biden has the mental capacity to handle those challenges?

He seems confused a lot of the time."

 

Even if that was so, still better than the 'stable genius'. At least he seems to listen to his advisors.

Edited October 12, 2020 by Morch

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

Prior to the recent Corona Relief package, the first 3 years of Obama presidency saw a larger 3 year increase in debt than the first 3 years under Trump.  Just pointing out the folks in glass houses should be careful throwing stones.  LOL

The economy was in free fall, it needed deficit spending to be saved.

 

It's really not that complicated.  When an economy is collapsing it is necessary to borrow money to save it.  When the economy is doing well the debt should be brought down. 

 

Trump ran the deficit up even though the economy was doing well.  Republicans generally are big fans of borrow and spend economics, regardless of the state of the economy, when they hold the White House, and obsess about deficit spending regardless of the state of the economy when a Democrat is in the White House.

[candide]

5 hours ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

Prior to the recent Corona Relief package, the first 3 years of Obama presidency saw a larger 3 year increase in debt than the first 3 years under Trump.  Just pointing out the folks in glass houses should be careful throwing stones.  LOL

As already objected by other posters, the two economic contexts are not comparable.

However, the last three years of Obama's tenure are quite comparable with Trumps first three years (pre Covid relief package): steady growth and similar GDP growth rates.

Obama: + $2.421 trillion debt

Trump: + $3.655 trillion debt

https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296

[Tie Dye Samurai]

22 hours ago, xofswen said:

You have the floor, use your time wisely.

Dont give up so easily....tell us how Trump got Mexico to pay for the wall and how he also released his taxes to the public....you know, those promises made...

Edited October 12, 2020 by Tie Dye Samurai

[kingdong]

On 10/9/2020 at 12:59 PM, Surelynot said:

A whole nation gone mental...thanks to.......????

Jimmy Clitheroe? 

[sangtip2]

On ‎10‎/‎9‎/‎2020 at 8:49 PM, Morch said:

 

In what meaningful way were election results not 'accepted'? Trump supporters seem to be unable to address this point, and it's been almost four years now...

 

As for policies - another old chestnut. There's a whole lot of them, check out the Democratic Party's website or Biden's.

 

The voting public voted Democrat. In 2016 and 2018. Only in Trump supporters' minds did Trump win a majority.

 

Discrediting Trump is a lot to do with how the man himself acts and carries on. You want to imagine all these 'attempts' have nothing to do with real stuff? Go right ahead.

 

Just to make it clear - you're whining about Biden being an 'elderly rich white man', when pitted against Trump? Are you for real?

Nobody said he won a "Majority"   He won the "Electoral College" which is how US elections are won or lost.    That is how the US constitution is written.     Democrats are trying to change that .  

[Sujo]

11 minutes ago, sangtip2 said:

Nobody said he won a "Majority"   He won the "Electoral College" which is how US elections are won or lost.    That is how the US constitution is written.     Democrats are trying to change that .  

Trump also disagrees with the electoral college.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, sangtip2 said:

Nobody said he won a "Majority"   He won the "Electoral College" which is how US elections are won or lost.    That is how the US constitution is written.     Democrats are trying to change that .  

Many have claimed he won a majority.

[owl sees all]

1 hour ago, sangtip2 said:

Nobody said he won a "Majority"   He won the "Electoral College" which is how US elections are won or lost.    That is how the US constitution is written.     Democrats are trying to change that

 

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

Trump also disagrees with the electoral college.

I disagree too.

 

BUT! As long as it doesn't stop me collecting my winnings when The Don wins; I'm easy.

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1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Many have claimed he won a majority.

Among them, Trump. As you will recall, he claimed that he only lost the popular vote because of voter fraud.

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

 

I disagree too.

 

BUT! As long as it doesn't stop me collecting my winnings when The Don wins; I'm easy.

The virus may stop you.

[placeholder]

On 10/12/2020 at 6:12 AM, RoadWarrior371 said:

The deficit is "income" - "expenses".  If the Nation can increase overall income by reducing constraining taxes, there is not a direct negative impact of tax cuts.  Europe is an example, you cannot tax yourself to prosperity.  Next thread, let's talk expenses, or the $Trillions of dollars of tax hikes required to support the Democrat's agenda. ????

Not really clear what you're on about. You use "income" twice and don't seem to understand that you're referring to 2 different things.  The deficit is a governmental thing. You know when, when spending exceeds revenue (what I think you're calling "income" in the first instance), that revenue mostly being in the form of taxes. The second use of income is more or less GDP.

 

The claim of conservatives since the Reagan Administration is that tax cuts will pay for themselves because the resulting increase in economic activity will generate enough additional tax revenue to pay for the cuts. That was the claim from the Reagan administration, the G.W. Bush, Administration, and the Trump administration. And all 3 times the predictions failed. Big time.

 

The Trump administration claimed that these tax cuts would promote investments. That was another lie. Business investment ultimately fell. Most of the money that corporations saved from the Trump tax cuts went to stock buybacks. And when the Covid recession hit, the money that corporations could have used to protect themselves had been squandered in these buybacks. By the way, until the Reagan era, stock buybacks were illegal. That's because they were viewed as price manipulation. And that, in fact, is what they were and are. Liberals had predicted that this would happen, given that it had happened before when similar tax cuts were made. 

[Morch]

3 hours ago, sangtip2 said:

Nobody said he won a "Majority"   He won the "Electoral College" which is how US elections are won or lost.    That is how the US constitution is written.     Democrats are trying to change that .  

 

These topic are peppered with Trump supporter comments about majority, silent or otherwise, what 'most' Americans support and so on. Other than that, Trump himself rejected the popular vote results alleging a massive voting fraud - which he couldn't substantiate. Democrats are trying to change that? I don't know about that, and not taking your word for it. I am aware that there are views in the USA supporting changes to various elements of the political system - doubt they are restricted to one of the parties.

[Scott]

Troll post and reply removed.   Use correct terminology.  It is a pandemic.

 

[jcsmith]

On 10/12/2020 at 9:58 AM, heybruce said:

The economy was in free fall, it needed deficit spending to be saved.

 

It's really not that complicated.  When an economy is collapsing it is necessary to borrow money to save it.  When the economy is doing well the debt should be brought down. 

 

Trump ran the deficit up even though the economy was doing well.  Republicans generally are big fans of borrow and spend economics, regardless of the state of the economy, when they hold the White House, and obsess about deficit spending regardless of the state of the economy when a Democrat is in the White House.

And the ridiculous thing about it is that as he ran it up to historic levels the same republicans who opposed things like bail outs when Obama was in charge, said nothing. Nothing at all. 

[onthedarkside]

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Meet the Americans 'standing by' for possible election violence

 

 

[bendejo]

On 10/9/2020 at 7:21 PM, soalbundy said:

Maybe now they should be putting the stars and stripes on bananas 

Do a little research on the 20th century history of Central America, particularly the part that involves United Fruit Company, and you will find that, effectively, this has already happened.

 

 

[soalbundy]

55 minutes ago, bendejo said:

Do a little research on the 20th century history of Central America, particularly the part that involves United Fruit Company, and you will find that, effectively, this has already happened.

 

 

Yes, but I was referring to the form of government, under Trump it has taken the form of a banana republic.