Brexit brinkmanship: Johnson says prepare for no-deal, cancels trade talks

[Percy P]

42 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I live in Thailand and have no idea about big sticks anywhere else in this world.

Mostly I look at Brexit as a kind of soap opera. You can't make it up.

  Living under a bid stick is what you are now doing in Thailand under the present Government.

[david555]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

Is it just me or do I detect the smell of sour grapes in the air.

i dont know the taste or smell of sour grapes , but it seems you know them very well....????

[Matzzon]

12 minutes ago, transam said:

Sunbeam, that is exactly what I thought you would say in a post on this thread, read and forget...Very tiresome......

You are just another EU bloke that either doesn't like or are envious of the British.....

Envious??? Oh dear! I would not at all like to be in the shoes of the Brit at present times. I actually feel sorry for and worry about the nation.

 

But, then again, some will have no problems while other will have to fight for their existence and ke big changes to their lives in the coming years.

Let´s just take all the expats in Thailand. Most of them have planned their lives so they have no problems whatsoever. Although, we will have a small fraction of, let´s say about 10-15% that can´t take another fall of 10-20% in the UK economy. That will really s**k, but it´s very close to becoming a reality.

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Wont be any grapes any more.

Not even sour ones ????

Yes I know, the Euros are going to 'fill in' the channel tunnel, that has got to be the height of bitterness. 

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

i dont know the taste or smell of sour grapes , but it seems you know them very well....????

Just read your own posts, then maybe you'll understand.

[welovesundaysatspace]

11 minutes ago, vogie said:

Is it just me or do I detect the smell of sour grapes in the air.

It’s just you. 

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

It’s just you. 

That's it, I will never buy anymore pumpernickel bread as long as I live.

[Mavideol]

6 hours ago, rooster59 said:

A so-called "Australia deal" means that the United Kingdom would trade on World Trade Organization terms: as a country without an EU trade agreement, like Australia, tariffs would be imposed under WTO rules, likely causing significant price rises.

.... the consensus was wrong on the 2016 Brexit referendum: when Britons voted by 52-48% to leave,

 

555... 555 ... what else to say,  BJ/Cummings don't understand market economics

[transam]

8 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Envious??? Oh dear! I would not at all like to be in the shoes of the Brit at present times. I actually feel sorry for and worry about the nation.

 

But, then again, some will have no problems while other will have to fight for their existence and ke big changes to their lives in the coming years.

Let´s just take all the expats in Thailand. Most of them have planned their lives so they have no problems whatsoever. Although, we will have a small fraction of, let´s say about 10-15% that can´t take another fall of 10-20% in the UK economy. That will really s**k, but it´s very close to becoming a reality.

Well you would say that............????

 

Your last para is just a farang knock, you are good at that, I remember you wanted farangs on a 14 day overstay deported, yet you worry about folk in the UK....????

 

How tall is your horse....?  ????

 

[transam]

8 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

.... the consensus was wrong on the 2016 Brexit referendum: when Britons voted by 52-48% to leave,

 

555... 555 ... what else to say,  BJ/Cummings don't understand market economics

Or you, the British people.....????

Edited October 17, 2020 by transam

[Mavideol]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Yeah, because the EU 27 are the only food producers in the world. And all those regulations make it soooooo cheap.

 

Food prices will drop in the UK as we buy from elsewhere. As will EU sales to the UK as we source from more forward looking, less protectionist countries.

get your facts straight ....

 

A so-called "Australia deal" means that the United Kingdom would trade on World Trade Organization terms: as a country without an EU trade agreement, like Australia, tariffs would be imposed under WTO rules, likely causing significant price rises.

 

[MRToMRT]

I think the UK people, where I live, don't give a damn, they just want closure which ever way. If its no deal its no deal. So be it. Let put this to bed and get on with trying to make our futures.

 

 

[Mavideol]

2 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

Our fishing industry will expand rapidly without the merciless competition from the EU super trawlers.

fishing may expand, unfortunately nobody to buy it, EU will prioritize buying from their members

[transam]

1 minute ago, MRToMRT said:

I think the UK people, where I live, don't give a damn, they just want closure which ever way. If its no deal its no deal. So be it. Let put this to bed and get on with trying to make our futures.

 

 

Yep, they have seen the EU in action, a deal could be made, but they want to carry on using our waters for starters. I think us Brits stand stead fast in that our land and waters revert to our own control, we then go from there....

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

fishing may expand, unfortunately nobody to buy it, EU will prioritize buying from their members

You are an EU insider...?

[evadgib]

Meanwhile HMG are still getting on with trading with the RotW:

 

Joint Statement on the Anglo-Chilean Trade Dialogue

 

HMG launches Export Growth Plan to help businesses

 

The United Kingdom and Côte d’Ivoire sign Economic Partnership Agreement (Rhubarbed in a separate thread yesterday)

 

Restating the UK's relationship with its Overseas Territories

Key paragraph applicable to this board:

Quote

"as we negotiate a future relationship with the European Union, the United Kingdom has committed fully to involve the Overseas Territories, including Gibraltar, to ensure that their priorities are taken into account at every stage of the process. Given that Gibraltar has a particularly strong interest in that question we have also established a separate UK-Gibraltar Joint Ministerial Council on Gibraltar-EU negotiations".

 

& here's what Boris said about the ???????? to the ???????? electorate yesterday.

 

PM statement on negotiations with the EU: 16 October 2020

 

Edited October 17, 2020 by evadgib

[luckyluke]

48 minutes ago, transam said:

another EU bloke that either doesn't like or are envious of the British.....

Doesn't like is a fair possibility.

Envious, you're not the only one mentioning this.

It's rather insightful , some Britons are so full of themselves that they are really convinced that other nationalities are envious of them.

Which explain partially why they are not liked.

[OneMoreFarang]

43 minutes ago, Percy P said:

  Living under a bid stick is what you are now doing in Thailand under the present Government.

Really?

I am not a big fan of the current government. But it's a lot better than all those years with Thaksin and his little sister.

And look at Covid. I think Prayut did a great job in that regard.

[transam]

6 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Doesn't like is a fair possibility.

Envious, you're not the only one mentioning this.

It's rather insightful , some Britons are so full of themselves that they are really convinced that other nationalities are envious of them.

Which explain partially why they are not liked.

That's only the bar stool ones........

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Doesn't like is a fair possibility.

Envious, you're not the only one mentioning this.

It's rather insightful , some Britons are so full of themselves that they are really convinced that other nationalities are envious of them.

Which explain partially why they are not liked.

Don't hold back Luke, say what you think.????????????

[transam]

6 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Really?

I am not a big fan of the current government. But it's a lot better than all those years with Thaksin and his little sister.

And look at Covid. I think Prayut did a great job in that regard.

You're a tea total-er then....The big stick drinking at home ban didn't affect you.....????

[herfiehandbag]

2 hours ago, david555 said:

That is just why the E.U. is made for , we can SHARE not oppress each other , all our governments are  coalitions , strange to understand that for polarized country's like  those 2 anglophile ones I guess 

Come on, it will be like watching two ferrets in a sandbag!

[luckyluke]

17 minutes ago, transam said:

That's only the bar stool ones........

Not my experience,

I generally don't like the Britons of Pattaya, because I not understand the way they speak English.

I don't like the Britons I met in Thonglor, generally full of themselves, despite that in every way they don't come to the ankles of the Japanese residing there.

 

[transam]

1 minute ago, luckyluke said:

Not my experience,

I generally don't like the Britons of Pattaya, because I not understand the way they speak English.

I don't like the Britons I met in Thonglor, generally full of themselves, despite that in every way they don't come to the ankles of the Japanese residing there.

 

Aaaaah, but you have never met me, or even heard me sing.  .

Many from here have, never to be seen again, until I told them I gave up singing........????

[Scott Tracy]

3 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I’m afraid you’re living in lala land; that’s not how business works. 
 

And had there been any goodwill to treat you like our child, you gambled it away with all your lies and abusive language about “Brussels dictators”, “unelected bureaucrats” and so on. You wanted to be treated as a third country, you are being treated as a third country. So stop the whining. 

That's the point though...treat the UK as a 3rd country. Don't fish the UK's waters, don't dictate the so called 'level playing field'. 

 

The European Union, as such does not exist right now. It's France versus the UK, and the other member states remain silent apart from Germany, who appear to try to mediate.

 

27 disperate states, many of whom are members because they could see the big cash cow called the EU, and the big EU members could see an increase in influence. Let's not call it Empire, but that's basically what the EU is. 

 

British fish will not kill anyone. If the EU doesn't want to buy it, someone else will, or the UK will stop fishing and conserve stocks.

 

Level playing field, my backside. Look at the argument  between the US and the EU over subsidies to the aircraft manufacturers.

 

Sorry, got carried away, like the cod wars....

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Wont be any grapes any more.

Not even sour ones ????

You are exposing your myopic views again.

 

Australia, South Africa and South America have fantastic grapes and I suspect British consumers will be buying them ahead of EU sour grapes until they give us a fair and mutually beneficial FTA. 

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, edwinchester said:

There will be no downside to Brexit, only considerable upside.

David Davis

 

The day after we vote to leave we hold all the cards and can choose the path we want.

Michael Gove

 

Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy, the UK holds most of the cards.

John Redwood

 

The FTA that we do with the EU should be one of the easiest in human history.

Liam Fox

 

I think we could very easily get a better trade deal than we have at the moment.

Douglas Carswell

 

Trade relations can be sorted out in an afternoon over a cup of tea.

Gerald Batten

 

One day these lying incompetents will be held to account for the damage they have inflicted and continue to inflict on the UK.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No they won't. By using the words can be, should be. could be etc, most of these these statements held hope for what could have been achieved if both parties had recognised that a sensible and fair arrangement would have been far the best for both. Of course they forgot that we were dealing with the protectionist (ye of little good faith) European Union. After 43 years as a member, everyone should have known better, of course.

[nauseus]

7 hours ago, Matzzon said:

Yes, it seems like no one is caring about what Mr, Johnson is saying, which at least show some intelligence somewhere in the leadership of Britain.

This is a total moron, that do not understand that he can not go against his peoples wishes. I guess the common citizen of the UK is going to have to change much of their daily life, just because ne person have a bad brain.

He isn't going against his people's wishes.

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, luckyluke said:

"However, Barnier and his British counterpart David Frost had agreed to speak again early next week, Downing Street said." 

 

I don't read the meeting of next week, will take place in the U.K..

ET phone home....

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, dimitriv said:

 

I answered your question. It can be part of a deal. Macron asks one thing, and in return the UK fishermen can sell their fish to the EU. Selling to the EU is a favor the UK can get, or not if there is no deal. I really don't see the problem. The UK is independent now, so they have the right to refuse this.

 

Macron didn't say that he has warships stand-by to let French fishermen fish in UK waters. He just asks politely, and the UK can refuse. So they did. And now the UK fishermen will lose their jobs.

 

 

 

 

 

That's why the UK fishing fleet is being expanded, I suppose?