Muslims have 'right to punish' French, says Malaysia's Mahathir

[Odysseus123]

1 hour ago, onebir said:

Might I recommend a wander on the streets of Caephilly at Saturday night closing time?

I have long suspected (on a whim?) that Caerphilly was the centre of the known universe....

[John Drake]

2 minutes ago, polpott said:

And was it full of women? I found Malaysia the hardest country I've been to to get my leg over.

 

It was a reception held by the Malaysian military and had to do with a symposium on World War II, and it was something right out of Kipling. Uniformed cadets were stationed behind everyone's chair at dinner and made to serve. There were no women.

[from the home of CC]

no, they don't, and as an influential person it is immoral for trying to inflame people... 

[Captain Monday]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

And was it full of women? I found Malaysia the hardest country I've been to to get my leg over.

Go to the regular Malay oriented local bars near Maxwell Food Centre in Singapore.

 

 

[Mavideol]

1 hour ago, Redline said:

The French can run their country as they see fit.  Muslims should no longer attempt to move to democratic countries, unless they can follow the constitution and laws.  It appears the only want to set up their own communities~not integrate with the country or culture.

agree 250% with you.... it always amazes me to see Muslims living in western democracy countries going into protests, manifestations/walk out about anything and everything they think doesn't fit their ideal, however if they were back in their own country they wouldn't dare to raise their voices or risking jail. I thought the fact they left their country was to look for freedom and to follow/agree with rules/regulations on the country they chose to settle, it appears I was completely wrong, they can't fit into our way of life as they have completely different traditions and ways of life, some come under the pretext of asking for political asylum and a better life,  while in reality they come to destroy what took us a long time to built

[polpott]

3 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

Go to the regular Malay oriented local bars near Maxwell Food Centre in Singapore.

 

 

Singapore was no problem. I was having a meal in Chinatown when a local girl sat next to me and offered to go to my hotel for 5 SGD. Couldn't believe it. Obviously I did the gentlemanly thing and offered her a bed for the night.

[Opl]

14 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

no, they don't, and as an influential person it is immoral for trying to inflame people... 

We  have to understand what can push an individual to commit such an act, and the answer is very simple: already some form of psychological instability (I am not talking about madness) plus a low IQ which facilitates manipulation and indoctrination,  and our suburbs are filled with this kind of profile - the same who launched a call on twitter to go after every Chinese they find on their way.. just wait

Edited October 30, 2020 by Opl

[TheFreqFlyer]

6 hours ago, John Drake said:

Might not be too safe to be a white person in Malaysia, French or not. This guy just said it is open season on them. How many British still think it's better to retire to Malaysia than Thailand?

Good point.

 

I like Malaysia, but have always felt a bit more on edge there than in Thailand. I've had locals say things to me that I found a little threatening...making me dance on eggshells to ensure I don't unintentionally offend. Whereas in Thailand you'd have to do a whole lot more before that happens. And it's almost unheard of for a Thai to be confrontational towards a farang for a minor cultural faux pas. 

[mrfill]

2 hours ago, Ganesh108 said:

 

I would dispute that there's any illegitimate manipulation. How many times does the 'prophet' speak of killing infidels? 100 or so?

Some research suggests...

http://churchandstate.org.uk/2017/06/bible-vs-quran-test-your-knowledge-of-who-deserves-death-in-which-religion/

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/violence-more-common-bible-quran-text-analysis-reveals-a6863381.html

[polpott]

9 minutes ago, Opl said:

We  have to understand what can push an individual to commit such an act, and the answer is very simple: already some form of psychological instability (I am not talking about madness) plus a low IQ which facilitates manipulation and indoctrination,  and our suburbs are filled with this kind of profile
 

St Denis was scary enough for me.

[Morch]

31 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

The South Park franchise is particularly blasphemous as I recall depicting gay relationship in hell between 

"Satan" and Saddam Hussein. Are they smart enough to not to offend the image of the prophet? PBUH

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/201_(South_Park)

[ravip]

12 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

agree 250% with you.... it always amazes me to see Muslims living in western democracy countries going into protests, manifestations/walk out about anything and everything they think doesn't fit their ideal, however if they were back in their own country they wouldn't dare to raise their voices or risking jail. I thought the fact they left their country was to look for freedom and to follow/agree with rules/regulations on the country they chose to settle, it appears I was completely wrong, they can't fit into our way of life as they have completely different traditions and ways of life, some come under the pretext of asking for political asylum and a better life,  while in reality they come to destroy what took us a long time to built

Seems  everyone who left their country looking for freedom, creates problems in the host country.

[SunsetT]

5 hours ago, onebir said:

Works for crocodiles!

And Thai buffaloes...????.

[Opl]

13 minutes ago, polpott said:

St Denis was scary enough for me.

Rightly - the best thing to do in those areas is to keep low profile. If you do not look like a Jew or Asian, it's  even better.

( on the subject of sandwich, choose a café that is not under Chinese management, go inside, ask if they offer goat cheese baguette sandwich with oliv oil and Provence herbs spices -) 

 

Edited October 30, 2020 by Opl

[El Matador]

Between COVID and the recent events, I guess my French passport has never been this bad. -_-

 

What I read on social networks is quite disturbing. Many young Muslim people (in France or Arabic countries) think Charlie and France deserve in someway what is happening. Younger generations tend to be more integrist than older generations. Our good friend Saudi Arabia has spread its influence in all the Islamic world ;  mainly Arabic countries but even far countries like Malaysia or Indonesia got some of the bad influence in the last few decades. When you see how the muslim world looked like 50 years ago you are wondering what went wrong. Obviously only a very small minority wants a proper war but a majority of young Muslims would be happy to see laws dominated by their religion (meaning impossibility to criticize religion, domination over women, ban homosexuals, etc.). There was a big gap between generations in a recent poll on this matter in France. The vast majority of old Muslim people was against it whereas many younger ones were in favour of it. This makes me quite pessimistic for the future.

 

When you see the discourse of Erdogan or this ex Malaysian Prime Minister, who are supposed to be moderate Muslim leaders, I think it is pointless to integrate more people from those countries till they fight actively against Islamism in their own countries. Getting your head cut for a cartoon, seriously...

 

Edited October 30, 2020 by El Matador

[polpott]

7 minutes ago, Opl said:

on the subject of sandwich, chose a café that is not under Chinese management, go inside, ask if they offer goat cheese baguette sandwich with oliv oil and Provence herbal spices

Yes I had one, superb. Still got asked if I wanted ham in it though. 555

[Mavideol]

13 minutes ago, ravip said:

Seems  everyone who left their country looking for freedom, creates problems in the host country.

are you talking by experience .... remember the old saying "in Rome do as the Romans"

[Rookiescot]

OK on the one hand you have some mildly offensive cartoons.

On the other hand you have people beheading civilians in public places.

And this guy decides the cartoons are worse?

Most people on here who know me think I'm a left wing care bear but when it comes to stuff like this I'm sorry we need to be as ruthless as they are.

Christians are persecuted in many muslim countries. Not a word of protest from anyone about that.

So  its OK. If they want to live in a utopian medieval state with no running water and electricity then the west can arrange that for them.  

[TKDfella]

It would be funny if it wasn't serious. Totally irresponsible statement to make. Fortunately at present there is there Covid crisis and many countries are 'locked up' because of that but it is probably helping to stop, or at least, make it very difficult for any would-be new fanatical cells springing up.

[Captain Monday]

24 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/201_(South_Park)

Wow. Too much to unravel.

No rational person, no criminal act can be justified  based on reaction to absurd satire.

 

The depiction of Buddha snorting cocaine in "200" and "201" prompted the government of Sri Lanka to ban the entire series outright.^{[50 (Did anybody in Sri Lanka notice actually?)}

 

Edited October 30, 2020 by Captain Monday

[digger70]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Muslims have 'right to punish' French, says Malaysia's Mahathir

So what he's saying that Muslims Think that they can do what they want and that they are Above the  Law, Western Law?

 

 

 

law

[Opl]

17 minutes ago, digger70 said:

So what he's saying that Muslims Think that they can do what they want and that they are Above the  Law, Western Law?

 

 

 

law

He's saying that Muslims are entitled to submit the French to Sharia Law

Al Qaida, Al Nosra, Aqmi, approve this message 

Edited October 30, 2020 by Opl

[cyril sneer]

7 hours ago, Grumpy one said:

Its a good thing this sick puppy is 95

Not much longer to put up with him

problem is he's speaking for the majority of them

[Morch]

Just now, cyril sneer said:

problem is he's speaking for the majority of them

 

And you know that...how?

[sead]

7 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I can't recall any British saying that.

Haven't read that either 

[3NUMBAS]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13051418/france-terrorist-mother-church-beheaded-italy-expulsion/

 

A TUNISIAN terrorist was pictured grinning after arriving in Italy weeks before he was "freed from detention to slaughter three in Nice".

Brahim Aoussaoui, 21, arrived in Europe just weeks before launching Thursday's bloody attack, using a foot-long knife to butcher his victims.

⚠️ Read our France terror attack live blog for the latest news & updates

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Brahim is pictured smiling after arriving into Italy

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Brahim Aoussaoui, a 21-year-old Tunisian migrant who killed three church-goers, was pictured for the first time yesterday

A security source told the Parisien newspaper that Aoussaoui had followed the "classic migratory route" to Europe from North Africa, and arrived on the Italian island of Lampedusa on a small boat on September 20.

"The young man was then suspected of having contracted Covid-19 and was placed in solitary confinement on a ship," said the source.

According to the source, Aoussaoui should have been jailed before deportation after disembarking on October 9 in the port of Bari with no papers and clearly suffering health problems.

Instead, authorities failed to confirm the killer's identity and he was let free.

He then made his way to Paris, and then to Nice, travelling by train in a manner that did not alert officials.

An investigation is currently underway to "determine the causes of this dysfunction," the source reported.

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Forensic officers work in front of Notre Dame Basilica where the attacker killed three peopleCredit: Getty Images - Getty

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Kmar (L), the mother, and Yacine, the brother, of Nice assailant Brahim AoussaouiCredit: AFP or licensors

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Kmar (R), mother of Nice assailant Brahim Aoussaoui cries at her home in TunisiaCredit: AFP or licensors

An unidentified 47-year-old man was also in custody following meetings he had with the infected killer on the eve of Thursday’s bloodbath.

One theory being examined is that both were linked to a network run by Al-Qaeda, the Islamist terrorist group which has called for a jihad.

Aoussaoui's family are now being quizzed about his links to a jihadi organisation.

His relatives, speaking at their home in the Tunisian town of Bouhajla where he previously lived, said the 21-year-old had been in contact with them since he arrived in France.

According to his family, the attacker even sent them a photo of the Notre Dame cathedral before murdering the three victims.

Brahim’s brother Yacine told Al Arabiya, an Arab media outlet: “He told me he wanted to spend the night in front of the cathedral. 

“He also sent me a photo of the building. He phoned me when he arrived in France.”

Brahim’s brother went on to tell of the shock that his family felt when they found out that he was responsible for the terrorist attack.

“What we saw in the images is him, our son,” Yacine told the TV network.

Tunisia on Thursday announced it had opened an investigation into the alleged attacker.

Matteo Salvini, the head of Italy's League party, accused the government of being too lax on immigration controls.

“If it is confirmed that the attacker landed on Lampedusa in September, then went to Bari and then fled, then we will ask for the resignation of the interior minister,” said Mr Salvini.

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Simone Barreto Silva was murdered by the maniac jihadi

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The first victim was named as Vincent Loquès

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French police's elite RAID unit stands outside Basilica of Notre-Dame in NiceCredit: Goff Photos

Aoussaoui had arrived in Nice at around 6.30am via the railway station, where he quickly changed his clothes, French prosecutor Jean-Francois Ricard told journalists yesterday.

CCTV then showed him arriving in the church at 8.30am and staying there for nearly half an hour.  

Three worshippers were killed in the rampage as the terrorist stormed the Basilica of Notre-Dame in Nice, later being neutralised by cops who shot him.

He survived, despite being shot 14 times by police, and is under armed guard in a secure hospital wing.

Sacristan Vincent Loquès, 54, had his throat slit as he prepared for the first Mass of the day, while one woman was found partially beheaded near the holy water font.

Loquès, a dad-of-two, was the building's 54-year-old sacristan, an officer charged with taking care of the church.

Parishioners paid tribute to him as a man who loved his church, saying "he helped, he served, he gave", reports Nice-Matin.

He was said to be preparing the church for Sunday's upcoming All Saint's Day when he was attacked by the knifeman.

Brazilian-born Simone Barreto Silva, 44, fled the carnage inside the church and ran into a nearby cafe, where she died of her injuries after telling paramedics: "Tell my children that I love them".

What we know so far:

• Three dead - one beheaded - in suspected terror attack at Basilica of Notre-Dame in Nice, France
• Suspect has been named as Brahim Aoussaoui - reportedly a 21-year-old Tunisian
• The first victim has been named as Vincent Loquès, 54, the church warden
• Emmanuel Macron denounces violence as an "Islamic terror attack" and deploys 7,000 soldiers to the streets of France
• Knifeman doing a "Nazi salute" shot dead in Avignon after threatening police hours after attack in Nice
• Security guard stabbed by attacker at the French consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
• Fears of an attempted "copycat attack" after man with knife pulled over near church in Paris
• Man arrested with a 12-inch knife at a tram stop in Lyon
• France has provoked fury over its refusal to condemn cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed published by Charlie Hebdo
• Mass protests have been seen in many Muslim countries and calls for boycotts of French goods
• Incidents follow double stabbing in Paris near old Charlie Hebdo office in September 24 and the beheading of teacher Charles Paty on October 16

Armed cops who swooped on the church following Thursday's murder spree found a bag with two more knives that the terrorist had armed himself with.

Elsewhere, there have been at least three other incidents as French president Emmanuel Macron described his country as "under attack".

In Avignon, a far-right knifeman was also shot dead by cops and a security guard was stabbed at the French consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia as France was rocked by a day of violence.

It was reported a knifeman was caught near a church in Paris after telling his family he wanted to copy the attack in Nice, while another man was arrested while he was about to board a tram armed with a 12-inch knife.

Emmanuel Macron's government had moved the terror alert level to the highest 'emergency' level. 

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Paramedics place a victim on a stretcher outside the church Credit: supplied by Pixel8000

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President Emmanuel Macron denounced the attack in Nice as an 'Islamic terror attack' Credit: EPA

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Moment gunshots are heard ringing out from the church Credit: Reuters

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France's state prosecutor said that the killer used a 12-inch blade to slaughter church-goersCredit: AFP or licensors

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Mourners gathered at the Notre Dame basilica to remember the three church-goers murdered in Thursday's barbaric attackCredit: EPA

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Police remained on patrol outside the Notre Dame church in NiceCredit: EPA

'THREAT LEVEL RAISED'

Macron denounced the Nice bloodbath as an "Islamic terror attack" and defiantly said the nation would not "give up on our values".

The president announced up to 7,000 soldiers will be deployed to the streets across France in the wake of the violence to protect landmarks, schools and places of worships.

France has now raised its alert status to the highest possible level of "terror attack emergency".

Last night mourners gathered at Nice's Notre Dame basilica to hold a candlelit vigil in memory of the victims, as the Cannes Film Festival laid out a black carpet at its entrance.

It is reported the church was preparing to open for mass when the knifeman attacked, sparking a swoop by armed police who shot and wounded him at around 9am local time.

Nice mayor Christian Estrosi said the attacker kept shouting "Allahu Akbar" even after he had been shot - and said it had all the hallmarks of a "terror attack".

He said: "Enough is enough. It's time now for France to exonerate itself from the laws of peace in order to definitively wipe out Islamo-fascism from our territory."

It comes amid heightened security fears in France due to an ongoing row over cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed published by satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo.

And the two attacks have also happened as Muslims celebrate the holy day Mawlid, which marks the birth of Mohammed.

Samuel Paty, 47, was beheaded by 18-year-old Abdullah Anzorov on October 17 after using the cartoons to teach his students about the importance of free speech.

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Forensics officers deploy stretchers at the site of a knife attack as French soldiers stand guard the street in NiceCredit: AFP or licensors

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Police stand guard outside Notre-Dame in NiceCredit: EPA

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French police on patrol near Notre DameCredit: EPA

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Another parishioner reacts to the horror in NiceCredit: AFP or licensors

Daniel Conilh, a 32-year-old waiter at the Grand Cafe de Lyon, a block from the church, said it was shortly before 9am when "shots were fired and everybody took off running."

"A woman came in straight from the church and said, 'Run, run, someone has been stabbing people'," he told AFP

Another witness told Nice-Matin: "I saw a guy come out like crazy from the church, running.

"Within thirty seconds, between four and six city policemen chased."

One local told BFMTV: "I was selling croissants when a man came in and said to me: ‘Monsieur, there’s a decapitated woman in the cathedral’.

"I didn’t believe him at first but he repeated it. I went to the cathedral and saw the municipal police and called to them. They came quickly."

Terror in France

France has seen hundreds of people killed in terror attacks over the last five years.

• January 7, 2015 - Two gunmen break into satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo's offices and killed 12 people.
• January 9, 2015 - Terrorist kills a policewoman before taking hostages at a supermarket - killing four before police shot him dead.
• November 13, 2015 - Paris rocked by multiple gun and bomb attacks which saw 130 people killed and 368 wounded.
• June 14, 2016 - Police commander and his partner stabbed to death outside his home in a Paris suburb.
• July 14, 2016 - Gunman drives a heavy truck into a crowd celebrating Bastille Day in Nice, killing 86 people and injuring scores more.
• July 26, 2016 - Two attackers butcher a priest and seriously wound another hostage in a church in Normandy
• March 23, 2018 - Gunman kills three people in southwestern France after holding up a car, firing on police and taking hostages in a supermarket.
• October 3, 2019 - IT specialist with security clearance to work in the Paris police headquarter, kills three police officers and one civilian employee.
• September 24, 2020 - Two people stabbed and wounded in Paris near the former offices of the Charlie Hebdo
• October 16, 2020 - School teacher Samuel Paty beheaded on the street of a Paris suburb after showing his pupils cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a class on freedom of expression.
• October 29, 2020 - Three people killed, including a woman being beheaded, at the Basilica of Notre-Dame in Nice

Nice previously suffered at the hands of terrorists in July 2016, when 86 people were killed in the city when a terrorist rammed a 19-tonne cargo truck through crowds on Bastille Day.

The bloodshed is a chilling echo of the murder of 85-year-old priest Jacques Hamel, who had his throat slit by two extremists at his church in Normandy also in July 2016.

The fresh outbreak of violence has seen both the murder of Paty and the stabbing of two people outside the former offices of Charlie Hebdo in Paris.

The French anti-terrorist prosecutor's department said it had been asked to investigate the attack.

Macron visited the scene on October 29 Mayor Estrosi, while France's National Assembly observed a minute's silence in solidarity with the victims.

Prime Minister Jean Castex said the government's response will be "relentless and immediate".

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Samuel Paty was beheaded by a terrorist in Paris

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Special forces stand guard near the scene of a reported knife attack at Notre DameCredit: Reuters

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Forensic specialists inspect the sceneCredit: AP:Associated Press

Italian leader Giuseppe Conte also condemned the "vile attack"- and said it "will not shake the common front defending the values of freedom and peace."

He added: "Our convictions are stronger than fanaticism, hatred and terror."

In a statement, a representative of the French Council for the Muslim Faith said: "As a sign of mourning and solidarity with the victims and their loved ones, I call on all Muslims in France to cancel all the celebrations of the holiday of Mawlid."

Irans foreign minister also strongly condemned the deadly knife attack in southern France and called it a terrorist attack.

Pope Francis prayed for the victims of an attack by a knifeman in a Nice church Thursday, as the Vatican said "terrorism and violence can never be accepted".

The killings occurred just ahead of the Catholic holy day of All Saints Day on Sunday.

France has provoked the ire of nations such as Iran and Turkey as it has taken a tough line in defending the controversial cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed.

Prophet Mohammed cartoons have been displayed in France in solidarity with Paty to defend what many in the country see as its values of free speech and secularism.

Macron has said he would redouble efforts to stop conservative Islamic beliefs subverting French values - which has angered many Muslims.

 

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On October 28 Iranian president Hassan Rouhani warned the row over the cartoons could lead to "violence and bloodshed".

He said: "It's a surprise that this would come from those claiming culture and democracy, that they would somehow, even if unintentionally, encourage violence and bloodshed."

Rouhani added: "Westerners must understand the great Prophet of Islam is loved by all Muslims and freedom-lovers of the world.

"Insulting the Prophet is insulting all Muslims. Insulting the Prophet is insulting all prophets, human values, and amounts to undermining ethic."

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Muslims burn posters with the picture of French President Emmanuel Macron in Quetta, PakistanCredit: AFP or licensors

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France has been met with fury over the cartoons of Prophet Mohammed Credit: AFP or licensors

Moment gunshots are heard from inside the Notre Dame Church in Nice

 

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[Emdog]

“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” Voltaire

Religion is the main culprit, although cults such as many who see Trump as sent by God fit into this category

“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”
― Steven Weinberg

I do wonder how those so upset are so sure the cartoons are of big Mo. It's not like they have any portraits of him...

I have Muslim friends. They are good people, better than general populace IMO

[Kerryd]

Very, very long post below.
Be warned if you hate posts that have 2 or more words in them.

Let me preface this by saying, I spent just over 10 years living, working and travelling in the Middle East. Working/living in Afghanistan, travelling in Egypt and some time in places like the UAE and Bahrain (and India for that matter). I met a lot of Muslims during that time.
I've also read an English language translation (done by an English Professor) of the Koran (which is only supposed to be read in Arabic, regardless of which country you are in. Keeps dumb people ignorant and prevents the "word" from being watered down as it gets translated over and over again, as happens with the Christian bible.)
For years, my best friend in Thailand was a Muslim, which I didn't realize until about 3 or 4 years after I first met him. I know a few other Muslims in Thailand too, but I don't spend a lot of time around them for various reasons.

Muslims do not depict Muhammed, or Allah, because the Koran forbids the worship of idols (unlike how Christians worship the "cross" or "Christ on a cross"). You are only supposed to worship Allah himself, not a picture of him or a statue of Muhammed.  Keeps things like "White Jesus" and "Black Jesus" from happening or people worshipping fraudulent "death shrouds" that even their own church won't claim to be authentic.

It is Islamic Doctrine that the "13th Imam" will not return until the WHOLE world is Muslim. (Sort of like the return of Jesus.) The 13th Imam was the 13th leader of Islam after Muhammed. Supposedly he "mysteriously" disappeared (probably murdered) but somehow it got turned into a religious event (propaganda) like the "resurrection" in Christianity.

Note that the 2nd and 3rd leaders of Islam were both assassinated and the 4th, who was Muhammed's son-in-law (and cousin) was also killed (thus creating the rift between the Shias and Sunnis). It seems there was a whole lot of power, and money, at stake for whoever the leader was, kind of like it is for the Pope (or used to be for centuries).
As a way to help control their followers and the religion, the story was made up that the 13th Imam was waiting until the whole world was Muslim, then he'd make his (miraculous) return.

Most "moderate" Muslims will not say squat about any atrocities committed by their fellow Muslims because most of them, deep down, support any actions that help spread Islam throughout the world. (To hasten the glorious return of the Imam.)

That is simple fact. Moderates tend to be those who don't have the stones to become Fundamentalists.

Note that after 9/11, there was not a lot of condemnation from the Islamic world. A little bit, but not much. A lot of celebrations went on though (supposedly).

There was very little Muslim condemnation of the actions of ISIS in Syria either and most of that was only when something happened to other Muslims (like when they burnt that captured Jordanian Air Force pilot alive and posted the video of it online).

Basically, the way Islam works is, if you don't swear allegiance to me, believe exactly as I do and follow all of my orders, you are a heretic and I can (justifiably) kill you, even if you are a Muslim, because Islam allows you to kill "bad Muslims". That's how they can justify murdering any other Muslim they come across.

Many Syrians are Alawites (a branch of Shia Islam) or Yazidi but are still considered "heretics" as are Kurds and followers of Zoroastrianism which predates Islam by a thousand years (or more).

Raping Yazidi women and forcing them into brothels ? No problem, they are just heretics anyways. Murdering Kurdish village elders as "initiation" rituals for new members ? Same thing. Who cares about infidel scum.  
Throwing gays (or suspected gays) from rooftops ? Barely a whisper of outrage from anyone.
Meanwhile the crooks, er, righteous followers of Muhammed, were stealing everything in sight and selling it on the black market (you know, despite the Koran forbidding theft). That is the stuff that was small enough to move. The big stuff they just destroyed, like the Taliban did with the Buddha statues in Bamiyan.

Why ? Because, believe it or not, ISIS was actually living very close to the same way that Muhammed did 1,400 years ago, just with better weapons and technology. And Muslims around the world supported that, atrocities and all. Thousands of believers were flocking to Turkey to try and get into Syria so they could join the "Jihad" (and take part in all those atrocities). Thousands more would have joined but were prevented from leaving their home countries (or didn't have the means to travel that far). It was as close to being next to Muhammed as they could imagine. Even more were supporting ISIS through donations to "charities" that then funneled the money to the terrorists. (The same way Omar Khadr's father used Charities set up in Canada to funnel money to Al Qaeda and finance things like embassy bombings in Pakistan in the mid 1990s.)

Talk about massacring millions. Islam didn't spread around the world by being "just and merciful". Neither did Christianity.
They both used rape, torture and murder to force people to convert. They used fire and sword to spread their messages of "love and peace". Up until the end of the Dark Ages, the Christian Church was just as cruel as Islam still is.

There are 13 countries in the world where being an atheist is punishable by death. All are Muslim countries. Those same countries also punish Blasphemy with death (though the sentence isn't always carried out, or the victim is murdered before the sentence can be carried out). Pakistan and Bangladesh are famous for that.
In many Islamic countries, being an Apostate (leaving the religion or converting to another religion) is also grounds for death.

Islam has never been a religion of "peace". More like a religion of "pieces", as in what will be left of you if you don't convert and adhere to their rules. Most of you probably won't remember (or even know) but back in the 70s when the "Black Power" groups were rising in the US, many Black Americans converted to Islam (not just Cassius Clay, better known as Mohammed Ali).

They did it not because they hated Jews or didn't want to eat pork anymore, but because they saw it as a "Warrior" religion that would go to war against "the white man".

I've drank booze with Egyptians in Cairo (when I asked them about it they claimed they were more "progressive" than other Muslims). Certain nightclubs around the city would still be "rocking" at 10 in the morning, their parking lots filled with very, very expensive cars belonging to the Saudi males who were drinking and womanizing inside (while their wives were at the hotels or out shopping).

I've had Muslims in Afghanistan ask me for booze and pornography, while other Muslims in the country wouldn't eat shrimp fried rice because the Koran forbids consuming shellfish.
I've worked with decent, honest Afghans who were great guys, but if their religious leaders told them to, they'd slit your throat in an instant (then sit on your body while eating their meal).
I've seen kids (well, late teens/early 20s) fresh from religious schools in Pakistan, coming onto military bases to scope out targets for suicide bombings.

At the airport in Kabul they used to confiscate any booze they detected in anyone's luggage. At one point they had a pile in a rooms that would have stocked half the bars on Soi 6 (for a couple nights at least). They couldn't get rid of it because they thought they couldn't let alcohol touch them at all and trying to pour it down a toilet or sewer drain could result in them being splashed by it (and therefore going straight to hell).
They couldn't even use alcohol based cleaning products like Windex "just in case".

Then one day, they stopped scanning the luggage of foreigners arriving. Still scanned the luggage of Afghans or other (obvious) Muslims, but as soon as they saw you were a foreigner or possibly working for a foreign company (like the Nepalese, Indians and Filipinos) they'd just wave you through.
Why ? Because they had that huge stack of booze, but noticed it was getting smaller and smaller. Their own people were stealing from the pile and smuggling it home. So to prevent that, they just stopped confiscating it from the foreigners. (Never found out what happened to the rest of the stash.)

(For most of the 2 years I was in Kabul, I had a "green" Airport ID Card which allowed me access to any part of the airport (it was a security matter and I often had to go "air side" for various reasons or visit the control tower). Got to bypass the Immigration and security/customs people and walk right out onto the tarmac quite often. Got to know a few of the Immigration and Security people there as well. Regular Muslims who would probably have been very confused if you asked them if they were "moderate" or "fundamentalist" as most of them would see any difference between the two. One might prefer to shoot you while the other might prefer to stone you to death.)

I've drank booze and eaten all manner of shellfish with Muslims in Thailand (who also smoke ganja like there's no tomorrow). But they won't touch pork and they all hate Jews, even though most of them couldn't point out Israel on a map to save their lives and don't really know why they hate Jews (or what they look like for that matter). Their religious leaders told them they had to hate Jews so they do.

Meanwhile, Islam continues to spread it's influence throughout the world, right under people's noses and most of them are clueless. Whether it's women wearing face coverings (Muslim scholars admit that it's not a requirement in Islam for women to cover their faces), mosques blaring calls to prayers 5 times daily, store clerks refusing to ring up pork products (that are sealed and wrapped), attempts to introduce "blasphemy" and "anti-Islamophobia" laws into Western countries to make it illegal to criticize anything done in the name of Islam, even demands to have Sharia law apply (in certain cases) in Western countries, overriding their laws (where convenient).

Literally everything they do is meant to broadcast that "Islam" is here and taking over.

Most of you have no clue why the Uighurs are such a problem in China. I've been following (some) news from that area for over 17 years now. The Uighurs were trying to force Islamic life onto everyone else in the area, including on the ethnic Han Chinese. 
Clashes between the 2 have been breaking out for decades, sometimes resulting in the Army having to come in and contain the situation. One instance started because a Chinese butcher shop put up a sign in it's window advertising "Halal Pork". Riots broke out over that.

And what happens when the annoying mosquito keeps pestering the big red dragon ? The dragon gets P.O'd and swats the mosquito. That is basically what is happening now. The mosquitoes are being swatted. Most of it happens in the remote western regions of China where no one sees, or hears anything.

A lot of the hookers, er, I mean "waitress" that worked in the Chinese restaurants (aka brothels that "also serve food") in Kabul were flown in from Ürümqi, a city in the West of China (Xinjiang province) which is also where most of the Uighur population hails from.

Here's one bit about a riot in 2009:
"The July 2009 Ürümqi riots were a series of violent riots over several days that broke out on 5 July 2009 in Ürümqi, the capital city of the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR), in Northwestern China. The first day's rioting, which involved at least 1,000 Uyghurs, began as a protest but escalated into violent attacks that mainly targeted Han people. China's People's Armed Police were deployed and two days later hundreds of Han people clashed with both police and Uyghurs." 

Nearly 200 people, mostly Han Chinese, died by the time it was over. Of course, both sides blame the other for escalating the "protest" into a riot.

(Funny how we usually only hear the Uighur side of the story here in the West though, isn't it ? Almost like there's an agenda.)

Just like with the Rohingya from Burma. I mean, from Bangladesh. Bangladesh refuses to admit they are Bangladeshi and apparently has been trying to "push them" out of the country and into Western Burma for decades.
They started taking up residence in (Buddhist) communities and gee, guess what happened next ? I recall (Thai) news articles about incidents happening in Western Burma over a decade ago as Rohingya did things like attack Burmese butchers selling pork. 
Numerous clashes were taking place between the Muslim Rohingya and the Buddhist Burmese until, just like in China, the Army stepped in and settle the matter (no doubt quite brutally which probably shocked some who didn't think anyone else could be as brutal as themselves).

I was reading news from around the world back then on a daily basis and found it amazing how little the "West" was hearing about what was going on before the Rohingya suddenly all became "poor refugees". Before that, news agencies in Europe and North America weren't reporting on anything that didn't have "Aung Suu Kyi" in the headline.

Very similar to the insurgency in Southern Thailand. Most of the world doesn't hear squat about what is happening, unless it is something really dramatic (like 2 Buddhist monks being found beheaded in a field). That makes the headlines. A couple couples or soldiers being murdered in an ambush ? Meh, that **** happens all the time. Not worth reporting about (in the international media).

So when suddenly a story comes out about some "poor refugees" from "that" nasty country, everyone immediately sympathizes with the refugees and no one ever questions what they may have done to trigger the situation.
(And of course, they aren't likely to admit they were doing anything wrong, are they ?)

Islam has zero problem with committing all manner of atrocities but the instant someone retaliates, they cry like they are the ones being persecuted.

Look at the Middle East (and Israel). The Muslims to this day whine about the "Crusades" and protest against people wearing the "St Georges Cross". 
They make it sound like they had been living peacefully in the area since the dawn of time. Completely ignoring the fact they had invaded and conquered the area centuries before. No, when they do it, it's "God's Will" but if you stand up to them, you are "persecuting them".

The West has been drinking that kool-aid for over 75 years now and so long as they crave Arab oil, they'll keep drinking it until they drowned in it (or find their heads floating in it).

 

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9 minutes ago, Kerryd said:

It is Islamic Doctrine that the "13th Imam" will not return until the WHOLE world is Muslim.

This is why 13 is bad luck, and why they created "Friday the 13th" in America.  

 

True?  Of course not.  

 

I read the whole thing.....appreciate it.  I kind of knew everything except about this 13th Imam.  That was interesting.  

 

 

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1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

are you talking by experience .... remember the old saying "in Rome do as the Romans"

What sort of experience, may I ask?