International bandwidth problem 3BB

[LivinLOS]

5 minutes ago, Seeall said:

 

Data sim so cheap here, if he chooses to rely on hotel wifi and complain then SUCK IT UP!

I have data.. But it doesnt measure 170 Mbit to America.. I am doing maybe 10 gig a day.. 

[Seeall]

17 hours ago, KhunBENQ said:

3bb fiber, 1000/500 package.

Similar to the entry package.. I dont think things will ever improve when falang keep upgrading paying for higher speeds that dont exist.... same as a tuk tuk.. why charge 100 THB when people will pay 500 thb? its all good...

[Seeall]

17 hours ago, KhunBENQ said:

3bb fiber, 1000/500 package.

It doesnt matter which provider or the package.. ALL will be slow outside TH

[Seeall]

16 hours ago, ukrules said:

You might find that setting up a VPN on linode Singapore does the trick for you.

 

I would imagine that a quarantine hotel is full of bored people with nothing else to do apart form watch Netflix which may be maxxing out their connection at times.

 

Thats like imagining calling the moon will connect you to pluto faster...

[Seeall]

18 hours ago, KhunBENQ said:

I don't think so. It would have made news/complaints here.

Just did an arbitrary speedtest.net to Los Angeles:

Ping 229
Download 434.47
Upload 92.11

Nothing I would complain about.

 

until you did same test 5 min later....

[Seeall]

1 hour ago, LivinLOS said:

Amazed that Thailand services its entire Thai customer base without domestic relay servers.. 

not really.... the same as most things here... get some commision and not think about expansion/future business ....

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

I have 3BB 1GB (supposedly) fiber in BKK, and was streaming just fine last night via VPN to the U.S. west coast.

 

When I check Speedtest CLI right now with the same connection with a mid-distant wifi connection to my router, I get this normal kind of result.

 

 

Suspect the hotel's local connection may be being overused/maxed out, or some other kind of localized issue.

 

[Seeall]

Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I have 3BB 1GB (supposedly) fiber in BKK, and was streaming just fine last night via VPN to the U.S. west coast.

 

When I check Speedtest CLI right now with the same connection with a mid-distant wifi connection to my router, I get this normal kind of result.

 

 

Suspect the hotel's local connection may be being overused/maxed out, or some other kind of localized issue.

 

Perhaps the blocking of pornhub will speed things up for us clean minded users?

[Amplish]

On 3BB North of Chiang Mai, with fiber 1Gb package, which currently gives me 210 down and 125 up domestic and 85 down and 65 up to New York (on the notoriously unreliable Ookla speed test, speedof.me gives me 35/15 to New York). That is very variable, so the same test within minutes can give completely didifferent results. International connection is always less and with high demand it throttles down to around 10 Mbps down, but (almost) never as bad as the OP mentions.

 

I agree it is probably demand in the ASQ place you stay.

[whiteman]

they got your money when you checked in gave you good service for a few days then put you in with the rest of the mob on there <deleted> nodes sharing with 100 people+

 

[LivinLOS]

1 hour ago, Seeall said:

It doesnt matter which provider or the package.. ALL will be slow outside TH

Not really.. I think 175 Mbit measured speed to LA (which it was for days) is a very reasonable international speed. 

Easily fast enough for fullHD live streaming. 

[LivinLOS]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Suspect the hotel's local connection may be being overused/maxed out, or some other kind of localized issue.

 

Almost without doubt that this is an issue with this hotel, 3BB, and its connection / gateway. 

I just wanted to post here to ensure it wasnt a country wide or 3BB generally problem. 

[LivinLOS]

50 minutes ago, Amplish said:

I agree it is probably demand in the ASQ place you stay.

 

dont agree with that or it would fluctuate.. Testing at 4 6 and 8am is the near exact same speed as testing at 2 6 or 8pm. 

[RichCor]

41 minutes ago, LivinLOS said:

1 hour ago, Amplish said:

I agree it is probably demand in the ASQ place you stay.

dont agree with that or it would fluctuate.. Testing at 4 6 and 8am is the near exact same speed as testing at 2 6 or 8pm. 

 

It certainly sounds like someone has since enabled traffic shaping and/or throttling.

[Luuk Chaai]

i prepared ahead,, brought an ethernet cable with me

 found the  router "under the dresser"  .  so hard wired in ,    ran great ,  no issues  for the entire time and at home I GET THISe ....

[ukrules]

5 hours ago, Seeall said:

Thats like imagining calling the moon will connect you to pluto faster...

Not really, I almost always get a very good connection to Singapore from 3BB and Singapore always has a very good onward connection to where I want to connect to in the US and Europe.

 

Connecting direct from 3BB to Europe and the US is painfully slow at times but sure - you're the expert, I've only been doing it this way every day for four or five years now with good results.....so what do I know?

 

Ignorance is bliss. Some routes out of Thailand are much faster than others, if you can force your way onto one of those faster routes then you're going to have a better experience.

 

[KhunBENQ]

5 minutes ago, ukrules said:

so what do I know?

Nothing, compared to those who see it all

Not worth to continue in this thread.

Just an addition to the ignore list.

[Susco]

17 minutes ago, ukrules said:

Not really, I almost always get a very good connection to Singapore from 3BB and Singapore always has a very good onward connection to where I want to connect to in the US and Europe.

 

That is also the way I used to almost double my international speed when I was still on the 3BB VDSL

[Dexxter]

On 11/21/2020 at 11:43 PM, LivinLOS said:

There is no vpn involved. Tho I have tried to use it while there was briefly higher international speeds to some locations. I tried to route via the country which tested well, but it really only lasted minutes before being back to useless. 

 

Here are 2 tests done right now. One a local domestic Thai speed test. One to Los Angeles West coast USA. 

 

Clearly there is an international bandwidth issue. This isn't my WiFi, my pc, etc. This is upstream at the provider international gateway kind of level. 

 

USA server

Thai server

 

Your international  jitter is quite high and should be less than 30mS.

Probably the most obvious and common cause of high jitter is simply an overcrowded network.

Not much you can do about that.

[Dexxter]

On 11/22/2020 at 12:24 AM, RichCor said:

I'm not seeing anything amiss,

 

DOMESTIC

 

INTERNATIONAL

 

Ah yes, I can see the problem now. That green dotted line over towards the left should be a solid green line, not dotted. I will get on to it right away. (has anyone seen my green pen?)

[Dexxter]

2 hours ago, Susco said:

3 hours ago, ukrules said:

Not really, I almost always get a very good connection to Singapore from 3BB and Singapore always has a very good onward connection to where I want to connect to in the US and Europe.

 

That is also the way I used to almost double my international speed when I was still on the 3BB VDSL

 

So if you use a VPN to Singapore will that force the international connection to go that path? Sounds like it might be a solution to the problem assuming the VPN is fast enough.

[LivinLOS]

3 hours ago, ukrules said:

Not really, I almost always get a very good connection to Singapore from 3BB and Singapore always has a very good onward connection to where I want to connect to in the US and Europe.

 

Connecting direct from 3BB to Europe and the US is painfully slow at times but sure - you're the expert, I've only been doing it this way every day for four or five years now with good results.....so what do I know?

 

You think a VPN to here, before linking on to America is going to help ????

 

Less than 4 down but almost 200 up. A vpn is giving to fix that.

 

 

[LivinLOS]

6 hours ago, Luuk Chaai said:

i prepared ahead,, brought an ethernet cable with me

 found the  router "under the dresser"  .  so hard wired in ,    ran great ,  no issues  for the entire time and at home I GET THISe ....

This isn't a WiFi issue, this is an upstream throttling or blockage issue

[RichCor]

3 minutes ago, LivinLOS said:

You think a VPN to here, before linking on to America is going to help ????

 

Less than 4 down but almost 200 up. A vpn is giving to fix that.

 

It's certainly possible. Ever heard of the Internet meme of "hiding behind 9 proxies"? Not only can you change the location your Internet connection appears to be made from, you can also choose the PATH the inter-connection it takes.

 

While a VPN typically only lets you make one NODE change, that redirection can mean the difference from encountering an over-sold, congested, traffic-shaped and throttled PEER Agreements of your ISP through their International Internet Gateways, to a foreign ISP and their more open and available International Internet Gateways.  

 

 BUT you have to hope that the original issue you're encountering and wanting to avoid isn't on the local equipment infrastructure before you can effect the redirection.

[LivinLOS]

9 hours ago, RichCor said:

 

It's certainly possible. Ever heard of the Internet meme of "hiding behind 9 proxies"? Not only can you change the location your Internet connection appears to be made from, you can also choose the PATH the inter-connection it takes.

 

While a VPN typically only lets you make one NODE change, that redirection can mean the difference from encountering an over-sold, congested, traffic-shaped and throttled PEER Agreements of your ISP through their International Internet Gateways, to a foreign ISP and their more open and available International Internet Gateways.  

 

 BUT you have to hope that the original issue you're encountering and wanting to avoid isn't on the local equipment infrastructure before you can effect the redirection.

Your suggestion pushes the VPN through the same restricted pipe !!! 

I have tested with a Sing VPN outbound to other places.. Its slightly worse than direct to sing. 

[Ebumbu]

My 3BB is fine. Consistent 50mbps up and down to USA. 

[RichCor]

3 hours ago, LivinLOS said:

Your suggestion pushes the VPN through the same restricted pipe !!! 

I have tested with a Sing VPN outbound to other places.. Its slightly worse than direct to sing. 

Connections to Singapore are typically treated as a 'domestic' peer to peer connection, rather than an IIG tollway hop. So if the restriction you're encountering was in the 3BB IIG to the US then a VPN connection to Singapore would bypass it.  

 

Also, CS Loxinfo Thailand status monitor is reporting multiple issues on 3BB IIG connections 

 

You could use TRACE ROUTE to see where the most likely router nodes were causing an issue, and if any potential reroute might be effective.

 

Other diagnostic tools:

 

http://gfblip.appspot.com/

 

https://gsuite.tools/my-ip     copy your IP then click TRACEROUTE and paste

...this diagnostic tool will 'trace' a connection from Finland to designated Domain or IP

 

https://toolsip.org/Traceroute

 

https://geotraceroute.com/?node=0&host=thailand.prd.go.th

 

https://traceroute-online.com/      paste or enter your IP

 

http://en.dnstools.ch/visual-traceroute.html

 

https://network-tools.webwiz.net/traceroute.htm   paste or enter your IP

[LivinLOS]

1 hour ago, RichCor said:

Connections to Singapore are typically treated as a 'domestic' peer to peer connection, rather than an IIG tollway hop. So if the restriction you're encountering was in the 3BB IIG to the US then a VPN connection to Singapore would bypass it.  

 

Also, CS Loxinfo Thailand status monitor is reporting multiple issues on 3BB IIG connections 

 

You could use TRACE ROUTE to see where the most likely router nodes were causing an issue, and if any potential reroute might be effective.

 

Other diagnostic tools:

 

http://gfblip.appspot.com/

 

https://gsuite.tools/my-ip     copy your IP then click TRACEROUTE and paste

...this diagnostic tool will 'trace' a connection from Finland to designated Domain or IP

 

https://toolsip.org/Traceroute

 

https://geotraceroute.com/?node=0&host=thailand.prd.go.th

 

https://traceroute-online.com/      paste or enter your IP

 

http://en.dnstools.ch/visual-traceroute.html

 

https://network-tools.webwiz.net/traceroute.htm   paste or enter your IP

As shown with speed tests its everywhere non domestic.. Sinagpore.. Hong Kong.. Tokyo.. La.. London.. Amsterdam.. Sydney.. 

Theres no where I can VPN to outside of Thailand thats fast, that I can use as a bounce point. 

 

[ukrules]

2 hours ago, LivinLOS said:

As shown with speed tests its everywhere non domestic.. Sinagpore.. Hong Kong.. Tokyo.. La.. London.. Amsterdam.. Sydney.. 

Theres no where I can VPN to outside of Thailand thats fast, that I can use as a bounce point. 

 

Do you have your own VPN server or are you using some public service?

 

When I'm talking about VPNs I'm renting a server and setting up a private VPN myself, the big difference being I'm the only person using it.

 

There is another option, there are datacenters in Bangkok which have very good international connectivity, if you were to install the VPN server software on one of those servers then you also get your good speed.

 

If you're using a run of the mill commercial VPN provider then all bets are off.

 

[LivinLOS]

Ipvanish and express vpn. 

 

The problem was exactly what I said, some miss configuration with the isp. As soon as a real network tech came back from the holiday weekend I was able to show him and he got onto 3bb. 

 

Within an hour international speed back to normal. 

 

If the international gateway was restricted no amount of using vpns to other countries through the same gateway changes that, quite obviously. If I had a bangkok based VPN which then used an alternative international link that may have helped, but I didn't.