'America is back,' Biden says, as he dumps Trump's foreign policy approach

[Jingthing]

16 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

I tend to think that Trump won't run in 2024.  He'll be 4 years older and frankly, Trump didn't seem like he really enjoyed the job much.  Sure he enjoyed being the center of attention and having all that power.  But the policy stuff, the actual governing....not his cup of tea.  But you can never tell what's going on in that crazy brain of his.  Like right now, Trump knows darn well he's lost.  But he won't concede because he's still raising money off of this "Stop the Steal" nonsense.  So maybe he'll start his own far right network and grab all the attention by saying that he'll run.  Then when 2024 comes around, he'll back out.  Trump knows he has a huge following and knowing how he only cares about himself, he'll figure out a way to monetize all that adulation.  He never cared much about his supporters beyond what he can get out of them. 

I totally agree.

He won't run again. 

But he may hold the possibility of running again to keep in power in the republican party.

If he runs again he would probably be a two time loser. He can't even handle being a one time loser.

But there are so many unknowables at this point.

Such as his health and whether he will be convicted and sent to prison. 

Or he might just dissappear in shame of being a loser and or leave the country to evade prosecution.

Edited November 25, 2020 by Jingthing

[Phoenix Rising]

37 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. CNN needs Trump for their ratings, IMO. Doesn't matter if they don't show part of his speeches as any publicity is good publicity and especially if it's free. He just needs to keep in the public eye and bring every error Biden makes to the attention of the voters till 2024.

Here's the thing tough, he won't be allowed a cell phone in jail so tweeting will not be an option.

[Phoenix Rising]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Indeed. Had Trump done the right thing and fired Sessions when he recused himself all that chaos would have been avoided and probably Trump would have easily won this time. 

I really don't see how firing Sessions would have had an impact on his deadly mishandling of the Covid pandemic.

Edited November 25, 2020 by Phoenix Rising

[RoyLee]

"Biden dumps Trump's foreign policy" ... translation : crank up the war machine. The swamp is back with a vengeance, though it never really went away.  

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Here's the thing tough, he won't be allowed a cell phone in jail so tweeting will not be an option.

If he continues to tweet incendiary violence promoting garbage as he has as potus Twitter will ban him anyway just as they would to any private citizen.

[thaibeachlovers]

13 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

I tend to think that Trump won't run in 2024.  He'll be 4 years older and frankly, Trump didn't seem like he really enjoyed the job much.  Sure he enjoyed being the center of attention and having all that power.  But the policy stuff, the actual governing....not his cup of tea.  But you can never tell what's going on in that crazy brain of his.  Like right now, Trump knows darn well he's lost.  But he won't concede because he's still raising money off of this "Stop the Steal" nonsense.  So maybe he'll start his own far right network and grab all the attention by saying that he'll run.  Then when 2024 comes around, he'll back out.  Trump knows he has a huge following and knowing how he only cares about himself, he'll figure out a way to monetize all that adulation.  He never cared much about his supporters beyond what he can get out of them. 

Will not surprise me at all if Trump never concedes and starts his election campaign for 2024 the day after Biden takes the oath, using the election to garner supporters.

IMO whatever Biden does, Trump will be there shouting at him. Normally ex presidents stay out of it once retired, but IMO Trump will regard it as a second term with a four year break. He has a plan and he'd like to see it through, IMO.

Any GOP member of congress up for re election in 2022 will know that if they go against Trump they are likely to be replaced, IMO.

[GeorgeCross]

back to WAAAAAAAAAAAR!

 

party of peace my <deleted> 

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I totally agree.

He won't run again. 

But he may hold the possibility of running again to keep in power in the republican party.

If he runs again he would probably be a two time loser. He can't even handle being a one time loser.

But there are so many unknowables at this point.

Such as his health and whether he will be convicted and sent to prison. 

Or he might just dissappear in shame of being a loser and or leave the country to evade prosecution.

IMO he'll be waiting to take revenge in 2022, 2024 against all those GOP politicians that came out against him when they thought he was finished. His base are, no doubt in my mind, willing to vote them out. Many think that the election was stolen and IMO think some GOP politicians colluded, and they will be looking for payback, IMO.

 

Even if he is in jail it's not going to stop him communicating, so don't, IMO, hold out for that to stop him.

[johnnybangkok]

52 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Indeed, lets not forget about them, and lets hope that "dumping" Trump's policies does not include starting any wars or drones killing innocent people.

 

From what I've seen of Biden's picks, it's a case of "back to the past", and that wasn't so great IMO.

 

I doubt Trump will be going away quietly, as he will still have twitter to communicate on, and according to loads of results on google according to a poll a majority of Republicans want him to run in 2024. At least CNN will be able to keep him in the public eye till then- so much free publicity!

 

Seems it's not over yet by a long shot, and to think that just a couple of days ago I was wondering what posters would have to talk about once he's gone. Far from gone, he'll still be right there getting in Biden's face every time he messes up.

 

2024.

For many years you have been on this forum trying desperately to convince us all that you are not a Trump fan. I think that thin veneer has finally fallen away when you are not even remotely prepared to give Biden a chance to show you what he has got. The man isn't even in the Oval office yet you have already written him off and are actively looking forward to Trump getting 'in Biden's face every time he messes up' and a Trump revival in 2024.

It's this type of intransigence that typifies the standard Trump fan and is why healing the nation is going to be so much harder and why the frustration with Trump fans is just going to get much greater.

Identity politics and blind obedience to this man even to the detriment of country (which is being shown on a daily basis with his refusal to accept the election results) is doing even more damage to an already severely damaged country.

Perhaps his picks are "back to the past"; who knows, but we certainly do know is it's far too early to judge. 

 

 

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, GeorgeCross said:

back to WAAAAAAAAAAAR!

 

party of peace my <deleted> 

Give him a chance. 

[johnnybangkok]

23 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   That isnt asking though, is it ?

That is written down .

Different kettle of fish having to speak and explain

It's called a manifesto (something Trump couldn't be bothered to write down).

Why don't you have a read of it and compare him over the next 4 years to what he has promised in his manifesto? If he breaks these promises then you have every right to call him on it. 

Or is reading your next Presidents promises too much to ask? 

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Iran is a prime example.

The world seems to be unable to do something against the will of the US president. Even if a huge part of the world agreed to work with Iran and not against them.

 

I don't think the world needs US leadership. But we need US cooperation. 

Think Iran is a bad example, world were doing fine until Trump screwed it up. 

[Phoenix Rising]

15 minutes ago, GeorgeCross said:

back to WAAAAAAAAAAAR!

 

party of peace my <deleted> 

Hyperbole alert!

[placeholder]

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Will not surprise me at all if Trump never concedes and starts his election campaign for 2024 the day after Biden takes the oath, using the election to garner supporters.

IMO whatever Biden does, Trump will be there shouting at him. Normally ex presidents stay out of it once retired, but IMO Trump will regard it as a second term with a four year break. He has a plan and he'd like to see it through, IMO.

Any GOP member of congress up for re election in 2022 will know that if they go against Trump they are likely to be replaced, IMO.

Trump has a plan? Funny. Whenever he was asked even by friendly interviewers what his plans for the next 4 years were, he just divagated into irrelevancies. 

[CorpusChristie]

3 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Oh, that cunning old fox, is that really what he wants to do, be friends with everyone instead of only the dictators and strongmen? Well I never!!!

 

  I meant that he intends to do it a in a friendly way, rather than an aggressive way

[Eric Loh]

52 minutes ago, yellowboat said:

Why weren't the Russians stopped?  It was illegal.  

 

Ukraine is not a NATO member and under its treaty NATO can't intervene directly.

 

52 minutes ago, yellowboat said:

Yes all the people.   Trump got 7 million more votes this election than the last election, many coming from minorities.     Biden may get a pass from the media, but others will be watching him very closely when it comes to current US wars,  Hong Kong/Taiwan/China and the economy. 

Trump did surprised but he still lost. Most battleground states have certified Biden and Trump's lawsuits are fading fast. I don't think Biden will wavered much on tough stance against China. As for the economy, seem Wall Street gave a resounding confident to Biden's appointments.

 

52 minutes ago, yellowboat said:

I was referring to the Mueller report.   This is still a bitter memory.

The Muller Report did said that Trump committed crimes but can't be inducted because of his position. Might change after he leave office. 

Edited November 25, 2020 by Eric Loh
wrong word

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, johnnybangkok said:

I'm sure there will be plenty of time for that when the free press is once again allowed to do it's job and he talks to all media and not just to his echo chambers.

 

 

  He seems a bit confused and muddled up about things 

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Apart from Russia, North Korea and every other tinpot dictator in the world. 

And where has he said he wants American supremacy? All I read is him saying America is "ready to lead again on the global stage'. That doesn't necessitate supremacy, just involvement. 

 

  Leading means to be at the front, In front of everyone else , the best, supreme 

[johnnybangkok]

4 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  He seems a bit confused and muddled up about things 

A narrative pushed by Trump and the GOP and any of his willing acolytes who are too lazy to look at policy.

As has been explained to you many, many times before, Biden stammered when he was a kid and still suffers from this making his speach somewhat halted at times. It doesn't mean he's confused or muddled. He wasn't confused and muddled when he convincingly beat Trump.

[johnnybangkok]

3 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Leading means to be at the front, In front of everyone else , the best, supreme 

Leading may mean to be at the front but it doesn't neccessarily mean 'supremacy'. Supremacy is about being superior. Biden isn't talking about that at all and no amount of you trying to twist the meaning will change that.

 

su·prem·a·cy

1.the state or condition of being superior to all others in authority, power, or status.

 

 

[xylophone]

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Suggest ignore them. trump trolls have re-emerged after some days of reasonable posts. 

 

I have put most of them on ignore because their frequent far right lies and nonsense were so ridiculous one would have to be a sandwich short of a picnic (old English saying) to believe them. However they seem to resonate with others of that ilk!

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO he'll be waiting to take revenge in 2022, 2024 against all those GOP politicians that came out against him when they thought he was finished. His base are, no doubt in my mind, willing to vote them out. Many think that the election was stolen and IMO think some GOP politicians colluded, and they will be looking for payback, IMO.

 

Even if he is in jail it's not going to stop him communicating, so don't, IMO, hold out for that to stop him.

Revenge against who? The vast, vast majority is still supporting him, and seem to be willing to support him to the grave.

[CorpusChristie]

Could all the Biden supporters stop talking about Trump ?

Four mentions of him in the last few posts

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Could all the Biden supporters stop talking about Trump ?

Four mentions of him in the last few posts

Why?

[placeholder]

31 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

I'm not sure why you are taking this so personally. My comments were not a personal attack but rather a true dipiction of what you have been saying for many, many years on this forum. And I was debating the OP and specifically your comments that basically condemn Biden before he's had a chance to do anything.

All I am saying is give the guy a chance. If he turns out to be a nightmare, then you and all others have the absolute right to come on here and condemn him. But to do so without him having done anything other thasn name a few people to his administration is disingenuous at best, hypocritical at worse.

What's really hypocritical about this is the fact that Trump supporters overwhelmigly backed the appointment of such characters as Steve Mnuchin on the grounds that he knew all the tricks of those Wall Street lowlifes and would be able to keep them in line. Instead he relaxed enforcement on them. And this pattern was repeated again and again in Trump's other appointments. Such a pseudo populist but a genuine swamp filler.

[johnnybangkok]

11 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  That hasnt been explained to me many times, its actually the first time that I have heard about that .

  I have just watched some of his videos where hes generally talking and he doesnt stutter at all .

   You are just making excuses for his incoherence . 

The fact you cannot notice it is testiment to this man and his hard work over many, many years to get it under control. 

'Before his rise in politics, though, Biden dealt with stuttering throughout his childhood and into his twenties.

“I never had professional therapy, but a couple of nuns taught me to put a cadence to my speaking, and that's why I spent so much time reading poetry – Emerson and Yeats,” Biden wrote. “But even in my small, boys' prep school, I got nailed in Latin class with the nickname Joe Impedimenta. You get so desperate, you're so embarrassed.”

https://www.stutteringhelp.org/content/joe-biden

[Rimmer]

Multiple off topic posts about Hong Kong that were hijacking the topic have been removed, also replies

[yellowboat]

29 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

As for the economy, seem Wall Street gave a resounding confident to Biden's appointments.

Half of Americans own stock in the US market.  What is good for Wall Street is not necessarily good for the other 45%.  Same stands true for Thailand wouldn't you say?  Does the SET help those who struggle to survive in Thailand?  

 

36 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

The Muller Report did said that Trump committed crimes but can't be inducted because of his position. Might change after he leave office. 

Then why didn't they try to impeach based on the report?   Why will they go after him in court now, when they could have impeached him earlier?   They will indict him for cable news ratings and to keep him from running again.   Will that be persecution or prosecution?

 

We probably won't see the end of the ugliness for some time.  Don't see a kumbaya moment coming any time soon. 

[placeholder]

18 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Could all the Biden supporters stop talking about Trump ?

Four mentions of him in the last few posts

Maybe you should actually read the name of this topic. Trump' name actually appears in it.

[Eric Loh]

6 minutes ago, yellowboat said:

Half of Americans own stock in the US market.  What is good for Wall Street is not necessarily good for the other 45%.  Same stands true for Thailand wouldn't you say?  Does the SET help those who struggle to survive in Thailand?  

 

Then why didn't they try to impeach based on the report?   Why will they go after him in court now, when they could have impeached him earlier?   They will indict him for cable news ratings and to keep him from running again.   Will that be persecution or prosecution?

 

We probably won't see the end of the ugliness for some time.  Don't see a kumbaya moment coming any time soon. 

Sentiment of Wall Street is a forward looking barometer of the confidence of the economy. Main Street will need much assistance from Congress to pass the additional stimulus Bill. 
 

As for whether Trump can be charged after leaving office, Muller say yes. 
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/07/24/robert-mueller-donald-trump-can-charged-after-leaving-office/1814190001/

 

Agree with you that the ugliness of a divided country will last for a while. Biden and Harris have their job cut out to erase the stench of last 4 years.