Biden says UK border with Ireland must be open

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, polpott said:

You mean like Obama did when he warned Brits not to vote leave? 

 

That was awesome. Got Brexit over the line. Thanks Barack. Top man .

[CorpusChristie]

4 minutes ago, polpott said:

Yes I could. Hundreds.

 

   OK thanks, I will sit here and wait for you to post them 

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, polpott said:

You mean like Obama did when he warned Brits not to vote leave? Or when Trump warned the UK that anything less than a hard Brexit would result in no trade deal?

Obamas threat fell on deaf ears and just goes to show that the Brits don't hold onto every word of the POTUS and anyone else for that matter. And just to re-iterate Biden does not run the UK, it is none of his business whether you like it or not.

[polpott]

Just now, CorpusChristie said:

 

   OK thanks, I will sit here and wait for you to post them 

You'll get piles. Easier to Google it to confirm my post. If you find anything to refute my post, post it.

 

I won't be sitting here waiting for you to post.

[polpott]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Obamas threat fell on deaf ears and just goes to show that the Brits don't hold onto every word of the POTUS and anyone else for that matter. And just to re-iterate Biden does not run the UK, it is none of his business whether you like it or not.

And Trumps threat?

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

You'll get piles. Easier to Google it to confirm my post. If you find anything to refute my post, post it.

 

I won't be sitting here waiting for you to post.

 

  No, if you make a claim, you have to back it up with evidence .

Its not for me to go searching the web looking to find out whether what you said is true or not 

[zombie nights]

Just another example of England/Wales terrible decision to leave the EU. But wait: many more will follow....and see how all the stupids who voted for 'Leave' will blame the remainers and everyone else for the mess they have created...

Edited November 25, 2020 by zombie nights

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, polpott said:

And Trumps threat?

Nobody believed a word Trump said for 4 years, now all of a sudden you are elevating him to the ranks of George Washington (I cannot tell a lie).

[polpott]

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  No, if you make a claim, you have to back it up with evidence .

Its not for me to go searching the web looking to find out whether what you said is true or not 

I don't have to do anything for you. There have been threads on TV specifically dedicated to Johnson reneging on the NI border agreement. Its been done to death. Your ignorance is not my problem.

[evadgib]

UK domestic affairs have nothing whatsoever to do with an as yet unconfirmed foreign head of state masquerading as a plastic (O)Irishman. 

The Kennedy's tried it year's ago and it didn't work then either.

 

[CorpusChristie]

3 minutes ago, polpott said:

I don't have to do anything for you. There have been threads on TV specifically dedicated to Johnson reneging on the NI border agreement. Its been done to death. Your ignorance is not my problem.

 

   You do need to provide evidence to your allegations 

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, evadgib said:

UK domestic affairs have nothing whatsoever to do with an as yet unconfirmed foreign head of state masquerading as a plastic (O)Irishman. 

The Kennedy's tried it year's ago and it didn't work then either.

 

Who brokered the Good Friday Agreement? An American, George Mitchell.

[polpott]

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   You do need to provide evidence to your allegations 

Says who? You? 

[cmarshall]

1 minute ago, evadgib said:

UK domestic affairs have nothing whatsoever to do with an as yet unconfirmed foreign head of state masquerading as a plastic (O)Irishman. 

The Kennedy's tried it year's ago and it didn't work then either.

 

 

UK domestic affairs are what more powerful nations say they are.  The Russians, you'll remember,  decided that Brexit would be a very good thing for Britain.

[Curt1591]

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Nope, before we were in the E.U. and we got told what to do by them , now we are independent , we can make our own decisions  

Don't try to make sense! 

[luckyluke]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Of course they don't set every policy...

 

This has always been the case, politics has always managed the life of the man in the street before the E.U., now and further on.

 

What is important is the quality of the daily life.

 

If you can help me with concrete examples what direction the E.U. is going, and what concrete influence it will have on my daily life, I will be able to tell you if I like or not.

 

All men in the street care about their own existence, a decent pension is one of the ways to make it pleasant, be able to expressing ones opinion(despite not being materialistic) is an important factor too.

 

But for the main business we have nothing to say, we didn't before the E.U. either.

 

We have the right to vote, yes, after that politicians decide.

 

Negotiations between the U.K. and the E.U. are going on now,  the European man in the street has zero impact on it.

 

The Leave voters ( Winners of the referendum ) have no influence at all in the negotiations.

 

They will have to accept the outcome, whatever it will be. 

 

[Rookiescot]

So basically Brexit has gone from "Taking back control" to "How dare they tell us what to do".

I cannot wait till negotiations start with countries like China and India. 

[evadgib]

33 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

 

UK domestic affairs are what more powerful nations say they are.  The Russians, you'll remember,  decided that Brexit would be a very good thing for Britain.

And you'll no doubt remember who'll be expected to prop the yanks up when they start their next war.

[rott]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well OK, another piece of political reality you wish to deny the existence of.

 

Biden has made his statement on the mater, and while you might want to wish it away, Johnson will be paying attention  - or at least which ever adult is nursing him these days will be listening.

 

The UK has chosen to be alone in the world, it will do as it is told.

Possibly they got the idea from the political arm of the IRA, Sinn Fein "ourselves alone". Biden will spout whatever his fellow traveller Adams feels is acceptable. 

[cmarshall]

30 minutes ago, evadgib said:

And you'll no doubt remember who'll be expected to prop the yanks up when they start their next war.

Not by me.  The greatest terrorist organization currently is the US military which killed upwards of one million Iraqis in the Second Iraq War, every single one of whom was innocent of WMD and 9/11.

 

The Brits never had enough military to prop up anybody.  What they did provide was political cover, which was bad enough.

[Barnabe]

I kind of understand the passion of the U.K. remainders and brexiteers, but it’s always funny to see how emotionally invested some EU people are.

 

”You left our little club, now you can’t play with us!”

 

The turning point for me was the Lisbon agreement, when the EU didn’t like the referendum results in Ireland and France, forced them to vote again, then shelved the vote in the other countries to avoid letting people “vote wrong” and just forced the agreement through national parliaments without a popular vote.

 

A lighter version of the EU as it was back then, with no euro, was a good thing. Now it’s just another layer of fat cats and regulation on top of the national ones.
 

I would be very happy if my country could leave the euro currency, it was a huge mistake for the EU periphery countries, and it will be a springboard for future fiscal integration (meaning less sovereignty).

[cmarshall]

4 minutes ago, Barnabe said:

I kind of understand the passion of the U.K. remainders and brexiteers, but it’s always funny to see how emotionally invested some EU people are.

 

”You left our little club, now you can’t play with us!”

 

The turning point for me was the Lisbon agreement, when the EU didn’t like the referendum results in Ireland and France, forced them to vote again, then shelved the vote in the other countries to avoid letting people “vote wrong” and just forced the agreement through national parliaments without a popular vote.

 

A lighter version of the EU as it was back then, with no euro, was a good thing. Now it’s just another layer of fat cats and regulation on top of the national ones.
 

I would be very happy if my country could leave the euro currency, it was a huge mistake for the EU periphery countries, and it will be a springboard for future fiscal integration (meaning less sovereignty).

 

It's certainly true that the euro was a bone-headed move from which Germany got the benefit at the expense of the Southern tier countries.  All the more bewildering that it is the Brits who are leaving and not the Greeks, for example.

 

Here's a secret about sovereignty that means so much to the average Brit even though he would be hard-pressed to say just what it is.  Sovereignty is safer in a large federation than in a small independent country.  EU membership, which kept the Scots from leaving the UK in 2014, will be a large part of the reason that they will eventually go.  

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1 hour ago, vogie said:

Surely you can remember when the Euros thought that they were being two timed by the US and all the snide remarks about the US, and they thought, how dare the Brits cheat on us.

I would put your memory lapse down to selective memory rather than claiming I made it up, I didn't.

 

As I pointed out earlier to someone who claimed that remainers hated the USA, if by USA you mean the Trump administration then yes. Otherwise, not so much.

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

 

Here's a secret about sovereignty that means so much to the average Brit even though he would be hard-pressed to say just what it is.  Sovereignty is safer in a large federation than in a small independent country.  

 

   Is that a message to the Irish and Scots ?

   

[rott]

If Chomper Higgott says exactly what is confusing him I will try to explain. 

[Chomper Higgot]

56 minutes ago, rott said:

Possibly they got the idea from the political arm of the IRA, Sinn Fein "ourselves alone". Biden will spout whatever his fellow traveller Adams feels is acceptable. 

You’ve not being paying attention.

 

Leader of the House Pelosi has already warned Johnson that there will be no US/UK trade deal if there is a hard border in Ireland.

 

Rees Mogg (among other Brexitwers) were promising a post Brexit deal with the US in the new era of the ‘Anglosphere’ with rightwing nationalists in control of Washington and London.

 

Well that’s all changed and it’s got nothing at all to do with Adams.

 

London needs to start dancing to the new tune, and it has a distinct ‘Irish Jigg’ about it.

 

Time to put Johnson out to grass, he’s not up to the job ahead of him.

[cmarshall]

12 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Is that a message to the Irish and Scots ?

   

The Irish already have and the Scots soon will be joining the EU.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, rott said:

If Chomper Higgott says exactly what is confusing him I will try to explain. 

Your total lack of understanding of the new political reality, and from that platform how are you going to explain anything?!

[cmarshall]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Time to put Johnson out to grass, he’s not up to the job ahead of him.

 

Soon.  The Tories are just waiting until the sh*t has well and truly hit the fan at which point they will blame it all on him as they boot him out the door.

[Barnabe]

16 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

Here's a secret about sovereignty that means so much to the average Brit even though he would be hard-pressed to say just what it is.  Sovereignty is safer in a large federation than in a small independent country.  EU membership, which kept the Scots from leaving the UK in 2014, will be a large part of the reason that they will eventually go.  

That’s not true at all. The federation is too diverse, all laws will have winners and losers, the scale of losses and wins is only amplified by the diversity. The EU is not the USA with a homogeneous population and culture.

 

Regulation will be forced down the throat of smaller countries whether they like it or not.

And the national elites will be fine with it, as they are getting huge chunks of free subsidy money to mismanage and pocket.

Sooner or later the Germans and Dutch will want to stop bleeding money into the poorer countries. It will be interesting to see what happens then.