I am unlikely to do business with a place that _______.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 minutes ago, HashBrownHarry said:

the point is that the people selling premium products ( like wine ) should know at least something about it

IMO you are assuming that the staff in restaurants ( that we can afford ) should know more about wine than those staff selling Makita tools ( very expensive and definitely premium ) at Global House know about tools. IMO that's not how it works in LOS.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

And if you wanted to buy a good wine in Asda in the UK would you expect the 16 year old stacking the shelves, or Muslim lady on the check-out till, to be able to recommend any?

Very well pointed out. Wish I'd thought of it myself.

 

 

Please note that I was not responsible for posting

"If you wanteed ( as an example ) to buy a Porche here in thailand and went in the showroom would you expect the sales person to know about the vehicle, yes or no?

That was HashBrownHarry

 

You have to quote the original post not one quoted by someone else.

[HighPriority]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

How did a thread about  i-am-unlikely-to-do-business-with ....................................

become a thread about wine?

It could become a thread about football...

????

[ChipButty]

5 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

It could become a thread about football...

????

Most likely Visa's

[spidermike007]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

i-am-unlikely-to-do-business-with restaurants that think wine is important.

IMO while you think wine is important, others don't think it is at all. Big fuss about not much IMO.

Why do you expect THAI establishments to have someone on staff that knows all that stuff? Would you expect an egg specialist to discourse on the different types of eggs that they sell, or a noodle specialist to describe the different way noodles are cooked? Probably not, so why do you expect a wine specialist? Wine to most is just another item on the menu- not important at all.

Your waiter probably never drank wine, the owner might never have drunk wine, the entire staff might never have drunk wine, and probably don't care if farangs think it's important. Except for farang customers might not have more than wine coolers in stock.

The decor is what most customers want for their money, along with food THEY like.

Thorougout the world, when a restaurant has a wine list, with hundreds of bottles, some very expensive, they typically have at least one person on staff, who is familiar with at least some of the wine. The noodle analogy is apples and oranges. Nobody spends 15, 000 baht for a bowl of noodles. 

 

I get that wine is not your thing. But, some enjoy it with a meal. And the post is dealing with preferences. OK? 

[roger101]

23 hours ago, shy coconut said:

Are you sure about the 15-20k baht monthly wage?

 

Most of the people I know work 6 day weeks in factories for around 8-10k 10 if they work 12

Hour shifts. 

As the ammonium wage is 18,172 per 40 hour week I dont believe you, unless of course their illegal immigrants.

[roger101]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Difference IMO is that watches are a machine and anyone can learn about a machine. IMO wine is an individual thing and everyone probably has different ideas about wine, so the waiter has to be able to "stroke" the customer, as well as know a lot about hundreds of different wines.

Tell me, are waiters in restaurants that sell wine in Thailand just waiters, or are they special waiters that deal only with wine ( I believe there is a special name for them )? Sooooo, if only waiters why would anyone expect them to know much about loads of different wines, and all the boogaloo that goes along with wine. For all we know they were working in a rice paddy the month before they started in the restaurant.

 

IF they are special waiters that deal only with wine I WOULD expect them to know about such.

However, I suspect that while they may very well exist in LOS, they work in restaurants where posters on TVF will never be able to afford to dine. So, seems to me that some on here are expecting to get 5* service while paying for a 2* service.

 

i-am-unlikely-to-do-business-with-a-place-that- needs a waiter that deals only with wine.

 

 

That special waiter is called a Sommelier

[kinyara]

I'm unlikely to do business with a place that.... 

 

might be frequented by Leaver.  ????

[mickyr55]

On 11/25/2020 at 3:51 PM, oldhippy said:

Restaurants and bars that force me to inhale cigarette smoke.

I would like to point out that this problem is much smaller in Thailand then in Europe.

Where in Europe? Most if not all countries have a blanket ban on smoking in bars and restaurants which I have found is very rarely not enforced. 

[Leaver]

2 hours ago, kinyara said:

I'm unlikely to do business with a place that.... 

 

might be frequented by Leaver.  ????

You will be safe in your tin cup restaurants then.  ????

[Leaver]

2 hours ago, roger101 said:

As the ammonium wage is 18,172 per 40 hour week I dont believe you, unless of course their illegal immigrants.

The cash economy is huge in Thailand, which also extend to employment and conditions.  

[oldhippy]

2 hours ago, mickyr55 said:

Where in Europe? Most if not all countries have a blanket ban on smoking in bars and restaurants which I have found is very rarely not enforced. 

Bars and restaurants in Europe have found a simple way around this law.

In front of their establishment they built a roof, with 3 sides protected against the wind / rain, and gas heaters inside.

That is considered "outside", so no ban on smoking.

When the weather is good (yes that happens sometimes), I do not want to sit "inside inside".

 

[jacko45k]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Very well pointed out. Wish I'd thought of it myself.

 

 

Please note that I was not responsible for posting

"If you wanteed ( as an example ) to buy a Porche here in thailand and went in the showroom would you expect the sales person to know about the vehicle, yes or no?

That was HashBrownHarry

 

You have to quote the original post not one quoted by someone else.

I do not see his posts so excuse me there.

[moontang]

Bars that don't have prices posted in plain view. 

[oldhippy]

2 minutes ago, moontang said:

Bars that don't have prices posted in plain view. 

or women.......

 

[bangsaenguy]

On 11/25/2020 at 4:04 PM, spidermike007 said:

Just a couple of amusing experiences. 

 

I recently went to a local mini mart. Bought six bottles of soda water. The old guy told me I had to pay 5 baht deposit, per bottle. I said ok. Went back with my bottles later, and wanted to buy some more. He quoted me a price that did not take into account my 30 baht deposit. I said I get the deposit back, and then pay you for the water, right? He said no, the deposit is one way! I would have been upset, if I was not laughing so hard. I said no, farang is one way, that way, toward the road, and never come back. I took my bottles and left. It was well worth it. Have been telling that story to my friends for weeks. We all love it!

 

I have had dozens and dozens of these kinds of encounters here in LOS. Always amazed by them. There is a complete disregard for the future, for future patronage, for the idea of loyalty, and rewarding you for such. It has happened with merchants I had been dealing with for years. Over tiny amounts of money. Of course, they lose me for life. But, they do not seem to care one iota.

I am a business owner. I will do nearly anything to retain a loyal customer. Whatever it takes. A full refund, an exchange, just tell me what you want. Here? None of that. Tomorrow? Why think about tomorrow, when I can make an extra 30 baht today?
The tale of the One Way store. Great stuff. You could not make this stuff up, if you tried!

 

I was recently with a group of friends, and we wanted to order a bottle of wine, at one of those higher end restaurants in the EmQuartier complex. It was Bella Rocca Restaurant. I asked about a 2300 baht 2011 Chianti they had on the list. I was told they were out of stock. I asked about a Barbaresco, at 2,600 baht. Again, out of stock. How about this Nebbiolo? Do you have the 2010, as stated on the list? No, we only have the 2015. OK, what is that wine like? Is it drinking well now? I do not know. Is there anyone here that is familiar with this wine list? No. Sorry sir.

 

Wait a minute. You have 300 bottles on this list, ranging from 1200 baht to 15,000 baht per bottle, and NOBODY who works here knows anything about the wines? Are you serious? We all just looked at each other, and got up and walked out. We realized the restaurant was a pretender. And more than likely the food was marginal at best. It was all dressed up to look like a very nice Italian restaurant. But, it appeared to be only window dressing. High spending tourists and ex-pats have little patience for that lack of quality and lack of service.

 

I know some on here will knock me for this, and call me a wine snob. Saw that coming. Just not true. Simply a customer willing to pay real money for a great meal, with excellent service. A pet peeve? Perhaps. Unwarranted? I don't think so. Not with the over inflated wine prices here. 

 

Didn't you post the exact text a while back? Still bothering you?

[KC 71]

Isn't open

[oldhippy]

1 hour ago, KC 71 said:

Isn't open

.....so that rules out Thailand ?

[jastheace]

11 hours ago, kinyara said:

I'm unlikely to do business with a place that.... 

 

might be frequented by Leaver.  ????

yeah i like that. which some how made me think....

I'm unlikely definitely not going to do business with a place that.... has youtube vloggers doing live streams.

you know who you are. stop it and go back to your 2k a month room please.

[spidermike007]

15 hours ago, bangsaenguy said:

Didn't you post the exact text a while back? Still bothering you?

 

Still amusing me for sure. Some experiences are so precious, so unique, so astonishing, they stay with you for years. 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/29/2020 at 6:30 PM, spidermike007 said:

Thorougout the world, when a restaurant has a wine list, with hundreds of bottles, some very expensive, they typically have at least one person on staff, who is familiar with at least some of the wine. The noodle analogy is apples and oranges. Nobody spends 15, 000 baht for a bowl of noodles. 

 

I get that wine is not your thing. But, some enjoy it with a meal. And the post is dealing with preferences. OK? 

I have absolutely no problem with anyone's food choices. Eat and drink whatever you like.

I just find it strange that anyone been in LOS more than *5 minutes* would expect a restaurant to have a knowledgeable wine guy on staff, or at least in one affordable for TVF posters to eat at.

I think if I was going to spend 15,000 baht on anything I wouldn't be asking some guy I never met to advise me on my choice. I'd research it myself before I went to buy it.

* poetic license, all right?

 

Seriously, are you actually spending 15,000 on booze when Thai people have to beg for food handouts?

[thaibeachlovers]

On 11/29/2020 at 6:42 PM, roger101 said:

As the ammonium wage is 18,172 per 40 hour week I dont believe you, unless of course their illegal immigrants.

I must be behind the times because the wage used to be 9,000 a month, though that was a while ago.

If my wife had been earning 18,000 I'd have been expecting her to pay for her own restaurant meals.

[EvetsKram]

On 11/25/2020 at 3:03 PM, Lacessit said:

The businesses that give me good service and products get my repeat business. The ones that don't, don't.

I agree with you but I've been to just a few with very bad attitude when it comes to serving foreigners. Any place giving me good service I frequent,  the others I tell & tell any local asking why

[NCC1701A]

bait and switch massage shop with a hottie out front and then hands you off to a granny. 

[Techno Viking]

On 11/29/2020 at 12:30 PM, spidermike007 said:

Thorougout the world, when a restaurant has a wine list, with hundreds of bottles, some very expensive, they typically have at least one person on staff, who is familiar with at least some of the wine. The noodle analogy is apples and oranges. Nobody spends 15, 000 baht for a bowl of noodles. 

 

I get that wine is not your thing. But, some enjoy it with a meal. And the post is dealing with preferences. OK? 

 

I usually treat wine as being like vinegar but last Friday night I came up to meet friends at Royal Cliff for some sort of wine event, some of the stuff wasn't too bad at all and the waiter certainly seemed to be knowledgeable (I know zero, so maybe he was just waffling <deleted>), food was great but I defo enjoyed whiskey after the meal with a cigar.

[Techno Viking]

On 11/29/2020 at 12:42 PM, roger101 said:

As the ammonium wage is 18,172 per 40 hour week I dont believe you, unless of course their illegal immigrants.

18k per 40 hour week is decent.

[petermik]

7 hours ago, Techno Viking said:

 

, food was great but I defo enjoyed whiskey after the meal with a cigar.

I hope you went outside to smoke it...........

[petermik]

7 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

bait and switch massage shop with a hottie out front and then hands you off to a granny. 

trying to match you up with someone in your age group.....

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, petermik said:

I hope you went outside to smoke it...........

i-am-unlikely-to-do-business-with-a-place-that-allows people to smoke cigars inside where I am.

[Techno Viking]

21 minutes ago, petermik said:

I hope you went outside to smoke it...........

 

The premises is non smoking.