Trump says he will leave the White House if Electoral College votes for Biden

[Tippaporn]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

As has been pointed out previously, Harris is keeping her seat to be a check on any last moves by Trump. For instance, his attempt to appoint a crank to the Fed.

 

2 minutes ago, polpott said:

Why would she vacate her seat until January 20th? She's still needed in the senate. If the 2 Georgia senate seats flip to Democrat, she may be there long term as, in the event of a tied senate, she has the authority to preside over the senate and has the casting vote in any tied votes. May well be that a VP, for the first time, has a useful role. Also would do her no harm when she replaces Biden as POTUS.

 

I guess that's one way of looking at it.

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Just now, Tippaporn said:

 

 

I guess that's one way of looking at it.

Look up Occam's razor.

[Tippaporn]

Just now, placeholder said:

Look up Occam's razor.

Not an absolute law.

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1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Not an absolute law.

But one which scientists and scholars subscribe to. Conspiracy theorists not so much.

[RocketDog]

I've had to train my spell-checker to stop capitalizing the 't' in the word trump. 

It's proper meaning is   to be better than or superior to' something else.

 

Obviously such adjectives should never applied to the soon-to-be-ex-president except with sarcasm or falsely misplaced reverence. Furthermore, the initial capital is used for 'proper' nouns. There is no way that anything the man has done or said that can ever be considered proper.

 

The English language must aggressively reclaim this word to its former usefulness. 

 

Free your mind and then your spell-checker!  Do it now for everybody's sake and sanity. 

Edited November 28, 2020 by RocketDog

[polpott]

6 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

 

 

Obviously such adjectives should never applied to the soon-to-be-ex-president except with sarcasm or falsely misplaced reverence.

The English language must aggressively reclaim this word to its former usefulness. 

 

 

The Donald lives up to his name. He can clear an elevator in a nanosecond. McDonald's burgers tend to do that to you. The greatest trumper since Abraham Lincoln.

 

 

Edited November 28, 2020 by polpott

[cmarshall]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

But one which scientists and scholars subscribe to. Conspiracy theorists not so much.

 

In point of fact Occam's Razor has no basis in logic and amounts only to an aesthetic preference for the less complicated of two logically equivalent theories.  Has no more value than any other heuristic.

[cmarshall]

2 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

 

In point of fact Occam's Razor has no basis in logic and amounts only to an aesthetic preference for the less complicated of two logically equivalent theories.  Nature, of course, is not so constrained.

 

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2 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

 

In point of fact Occam's Razor has no basis in logic and amounts only to an aesthetic preference for the less complicated of two logically equivalent theories.  Has no more value than any other heuristic.

Irrelevant. We're talking about reality here not pure logic. Look up Bayesian statistics among other things. Or just consider the case of someone who claimed that the earth is carried on the back of a giant invisible turtle swimming around the sun. 

[bendejo]

Bannon has been egging on DT to make a power play "we have the courts, the Senate, and SCOTUS."  Roger Stone is still with us.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/roger-stone-tied-group-threatens-gop-if-trump-goes-down-so-does-your-senate-majority

 

 

[xylophone]

4 hours ago, pkspeaker said:

He's gonna be the president elect for the next 4 years lol

Suggest you and others who think like this, read the following.......

 

Legal commentators say the Supreme Court is unlikely to even agree to hear the campaign's appeal, let alone rule in its favour.

"This is an utter repudiation of the Trump campaign's ridiculous lawsuit by three Republican-appointed judges," said election law expert Rick Hasen.

"It shows the absurdity of the litigation. Besides the fact that the case was poorly lawyered – Rudy Giuliani's oral argument was the worst I have heard in 25 years of following election law cases – the case was as weak and conclusory in its allegations of wrongdoing as it was spectacularly anti-democratic.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/us-election-republican-judges-deny-pennsylvania-appeal-trump-to-try-supreme-court/2ASHOKIC5D2VZR57DWBMUYA6ZM/

AND: Steve Vladeck, a professor at the University of Texas School of Law, said the campaign's lawsuit had "no chance of succeeding".
"I'm not sure how a panel of three Republican-appointed judges could send a clearer, stronger message to all involved that this is over," Prof Vladeck said.

"Yes, the Trump campaign can now go to SCOTUS, but with what? The court is never going to take up this dumpster fire of a lawsuit."

[cmarshall]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Irrelevant. We're talking about reality here not pure logic. Look up Bayesian statistics among other things. Or just consider the case of someone who claimed that the earth is carried on the back of a giant invisible turtle swimming around the sun. 

 

On the contrary, if you understood Occam's razor, you would realize that you can't settle any arguments with it.  The case against turtles-all-the-way down is empirical, not derived from any "principle of economy," since reality is not constrained to be simple.

 

Google is your friend.

[Tippaporn]

12 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Suggest you and others who think like this, read the following.......

 

Legal commentators say the Supreme Court is unlikely to even agree to hear the campaign's appeal, let alone rule in its favour.

"This is an utter repudiation of the Trump campaign's ridiculous lawsuit by three Republican-appointed judges," said election law expert Rick Hasen.

"It shows the absurdity of the litigation. Besides the fact that the case was poorly lawyered – Rudy Giuliani's oral argument was the worst I have heard in 25 years of following election law cases – the case was as weak and conclusory in its allegations of wrongdoing as it was spectacularly anti-democratic.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/us-election-republican-judges-deny-pennsylvania-appeal-trump-to-try-supreme-court/2ASHOKIC5D2VZR57DWBMUYA6ZM/

AND: Steve Vladeck, a professor at the University of Texas School of Law, said the campaign's lawsuit had "no chance of succeeding".
"I'm not sure how a panel of three Republican-appointed judges could send a clearer, stronger message to all involved that this is over," Prof Vladeck said.

"Yes, the Trump campaign can now go to SCOTUS, but with what? The court is never going to take up this dumpster fire of a lawsuit."

Prior to the SCOTUS decision in Bush v. Gore, every federal court and every state supreme court had ruled for Gore over Bush every time until SCOTUS. Election contests only start next week, and the key procedural aspect of Bush v. Gore was it started as an election contest.

 

Legal commentators are a dime a dozen.  Not hard to find as many as you want who will agree with one's preferred outcome.

[herfiehandbag]

22 hours ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

Does this mean there will be no Mt Rushmore renovation?

I believe that there are some rock formations, around the back of Mount Rushmore, and somewhat lower down, which may lend themselves to certain represrntations

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Prior to the SCOTUS decision in Bush v. Gore, every federal court and every state supreme court had ruled for Gore over Bush every time until SCOTUS.

Every state supreme court? Only Florida was in contention in which the candidates were separated by a few hundred votes. Serious apples and oranges.

[bendejo]

21 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Legal commentators say the Supreme Court is unlikely to even agree to hear the campaign's appeal, let alone rule in its favour.

Optimistic.  If it goes before SCOTUS he'll win 5-4, two jacks and three jokers.  GOP fealty.

Roberts, hopefully, won't accept the case.  History will remember it as the hallmark of the Roberts court and ensure him a place in infamy.

 

 

[scorecard]

On 11/27/2020 at 11:17 AM, Kelsall said:

I'm glad this is news.  The article should lay to rest people's fears of a military takeover or something else by Trump should he lose in the EC.

 Seems to me very doubtful the military would obey him.

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, cmarshall said:

 

As the President of the Senate, Vice President Harris will actually have considerably more power than merely breaking ties.  The practice of allowing the Majority Leader to exert complete control over the legislative agenda comes neither from the Constitution nor the Standing Rules of the Senate, but was unilaterally instituted by VP John Nance "job-is-not-worth-a-bucket-of-warm-<deleted>" Garner in 1937 out of thin air and therefore persists only as a mere custom.  It therefore lies in the power of the President of the Senate to exercise complete control of the Senate agenda reducing the Majority Leader to the same level of power as the ninety-nine other senators.

 

https://blog.usejournal.com/mitch-mcconnell-an-emperor-without-clothes-c0096ac51e36

Now there may be something worth watching! Mrs Harris may use this to carve out a new role for the Vice President, who is after all elected nationally rather than by a majority of voters in one state. I get the impression that she is motivated by a desire to reform and perhaps break the log jam in American Politics by which Mr McConnell seems to have positioned himself of the arbiter of what policies and appointments stand and fall. This could be fun!

[polpott]

5 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Now there may be something worth watching! Mrs Harris may use this to carve out a new role for the Vice President, who is after all elected nationally rather than by a majority of voters in one state. I get the impression that she is motivated by a desire to reform and perhaps break the log jam in American Politics by which Mr McConnell seems to have positioned himself of the arbiter of what policies and appointments stand and fall. This could be fun!

If the Democrats win the 2 senate seats in Georgia. Odds against, I would say. However Trump does seem to be doing his best to swing it for the Democrats.

[Thingamabob]

On 11/27/2020 at 6:43 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

I hope he doesn't walk out. I hope he will be dragged out of the White House.

Maybe put it live on TV and let someone tell him: You're fired!

 

Grow up.

[OneMoreFarang]

2 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Grow up.

I am not the one who has problems with accepting reality... 

loser.com

 

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7 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Grow up.

You might want to share that advice with President Trump.

[Seth1a2a]

12 hours ago, bendejo said:

people who get their hands dirty making their living are giving $$ to him.  How dumb do you have to be for..., umm, never mind.

A few of them are starting to waking up from their hate induced comas.

 

Donor sues pro-Trump group for $2.5M over 'empty promises' on voter fraud

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/donor-sues-pro-trump-group-inability-to-prove-voter-fraud

 

..... they tried to give him a million to keep things quiet......Hopefully there's going to be a lot more like him who realize they were being duped for their hard earned dollars and dimes.....

 

[cmarshall]

24 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Now there may be something worth watching! Mrs Harris may use this to carve out a new role for the Vice President, who is after all elected nationally rather than by a majority of voters in one state. I get the impression that she is motivated by a desire to reform and perhaps break the log jam in American Politics by which Mr McConnell seems to have positioned himself of the arbiter of what policies and appointments stand and fall. This could be fun!

 

The possibility is there, but it remains to be seen whether the Dems have the cojones to take advantage of it.  I have my doubts.  Vice President Biden was the President of the Senate during the period from 2011 until 2017 when McConnell was the Majority Leader and fully controlled the agenda of the Senate.  Biden never took the control he could have taken as President of the Senate.

[cmarshall]

40 minutes ago, polpott said:

If the Democrats win the 2 senate seats in Georgia. Odds against, I would say. However Trump does seem to be doing his best to swing it for the Democrats.

 

As I explained, President of the Senate Harris can fully control the agenda of the Senate even with a Republican majority.

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, cmarshall said:

 

You are ignoring the most basic fact: the duration of a successful lockdown is a function of the length of the contagious period for those infected, not the number of the infected, as long as the lockdown is effective.  At the end of the lockdown, the disease can be controlled with testing, isolation, and contact-tracing.  So, China stopped the outbreak in Wuhan (pop. 11 million) in 76 days while the Australians did the same in Melbourne (pop. 5 million) in 111 days.  

 

I am always baffled by commentators such as yourself whose interest in the control of Covid stops with white people.  Why cite Australia, which has a population the size of Metropolitan New York City, when the case of China is available?  The R0 In Wuhan and in the US in the early days of the outbreak was almost exactly the same.  Yet, China controlled it, while the US failed miserably.  China the model to follow more than Australia.

 

It's certainly true that the Chinese achieved high degrees of compliance, which the US will not be able to match.  However, the US would be able to achieve an acceptable degree of compliance by compensating households and businesses for economic losses.  

 

So, if the Americans do just wait passively for the vaccine there will be hundreds of thousands of additional and unnecessary deaths before it comes under control, assuming that the vaccines work as expected.

If you can tell me how to trace everyone who has been in contact with 5.2 million active cases, and then who has been in contact with them, I'm all ears. There could be fortunes to be made based on such technology.

Why not cite white people? The Australian genetic mix is quite similar to that of America. The big difference is in the Australian ability to accept what is for the greater good, check out the subject of gun control. One can't compare the Chinese authoritarian regime with Australian democracy.

IMO you are ignoring something fairly basic too, facts and evidence. Australia had 1.4 million Chinese visitors in the year prior to the gate being shut. In the same time, Thailand had 12 million Chinese visitors, and the borders were shut later than Australia. Then there was the exodus of Thais returning to their villages from Bangkok after being fired from their jobs. By rights, Thailand should have been drowning in COVID-19 cases. Evidently, a mix of cultural, environmental and maybe even genetic factors were at work in ensuring Thailand was comparatively unaffected.

Compensation for households and businesses in America? Over a Republican's dead body. Or should I say cold dead hand.

I don't disagree with the statement lockdowns work. What I am saying is American exceptionalism is the reason a lockdown won't work there.

Edited November 28, 2020 by Lacessit

[1FinickyOne]

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

his legacy to Biden is a poisoned chalice.

But I thought the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true? 

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

So who has video of Trump saying he'll leave the White House if the Electoral College confirms Biden?  Anybody?

He said it was a "possibility". Then laid into the reporter who asked the question, usual arrogance and claims of fraud without evidence. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-27/donald-trump-says-he-will-leave-white-house/12926866

[cmarshall]

18 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

If you can tell me how to trace everyone who has been in contact with 5.2 million active cases, and then who has been in contact with them, I'm all ears. There could be fortunes to be made based on such technology.

Why not cite white people? The Australian genetic mix is quite similar to that of America. The big difference is in the Australian ability to accept what is for the greater good, check out the subject of gun control. One can't compare the Chinese authoritarian regime with Australian democracy.

IMO you are ignoring something fairly basic too, facts and evidence. Australia had 1.4 million Chinese visitors in the year prior to the gate being shut. In the same time, Thailand had 12 million Chinese visitors, and the borders were shut later than Australia. Then there was the exodus of Thais returning to their villages from Bangkok after being fired from their jobs. By rights, Thailand should have been drowning in COVID-19 cases. Evidently, a mix of cultural, environmental and maybe even genetic factors were at work in ensuring Thailand was comparatively unaffected.

Compensation for households and businesses in America? Over a Republican's dead body. Or should I say cold dead hand.

I don't disagree with the statement lockdowns work. What I am saying is American exceptionalism is the reason a lockdown won't work there.

 

Every point you make is wrong.  There is zero evidence to support the notion that the Thais controlled their outbreak through luck rather than effective public health measures.  There is zero evidence that genetic factors played any significant role.  Frankly, your theory of Thailand's Covid response success smacks of racism.

 

You seem unable to grasp the concept of control of the virus through public health measures.  Let me spell it out for you.  If it's already out of control you enter a strict lockdown a la Wuhan for eight to twelve weeks during which time contact tracing cannot be pursued.  Following the lockdown, transmission rates will be low enough that contract tracing will be effective, provided that there is adequate testing, and infected persons can be quarantined effectively, which means not necessarily voluntarily.  Thereafter, testing, isolation, and contact tracing will be enough to contain it.  If there is a local spike, then a local lockdown may be needed.  

 

Americans were motivated to enlist in the military and accept vast changes in their society following the death of 2500 military personnel at Pearl Harbor in 1941.  I find it hard to believe that with the right leadership carrying out a national lockdown in the US with compensation for economic losses would necessarily fail.  The US has failed so far with Covid, because the leadership was the most incompetent in the history of the Republic.

Edited November 28, 2020 by cmarshall

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

 

Every point you make is wrong.  There is zero evidence to support the notion that the Thais controlled their outbreak through luck rather than effective public health measures.  There is zero evidence that genetic factors played any significant role.  Frankly, your theory of Thailand's Covid response smacks of racism.

 

You seem unable to grasp the concept of control of the virus through public health measures.  Let me spell it out for you.  If it's already out of control you enter a strict lockdown a la Wuhan for eight to twelve weeks during which time contact tracing cannot be pursued.  Following the lockdown, transmission rates will be low enough that contract tracing will be effective, provided that there is adequate testing, and infected persons can be quarantined effectively, which means not necessarily voluntarily.  Thereafter, testing, isolation, and contact tracing will be enough to contain it.  If there is a local spike, then a local lockdown may be needed.  

 

Americans were motivated to enlist in the military and accept vast changes in their society following the death of 2500 military personnel at Pearl Harbor in 1941.  I find it hard to believe that with the right leadership carrying out a national lockdown in the US with compensation for economic losses would necessarily fail.  The US has failed so far with Covid, because the leadership was the most incompetent in the history of the Republic.

I have a Thai GF, does that make me a racist? Best woman in my life. My urologist in Melbourne is Chinese. The epicanthic fold of Asians is a beneficial adaptation to prevent snow blindness.

I won't debate any further with you, I have my opinions on the subject, you have yours. Time will tell who is right.

I don't accept an accusation of racism from anyone, that's dishonest ad hominem argument. On ignore now.