Trump and 17 states back Texas bid to undo his election loss at Supreme Court

[Srikcir]

Maybe states such as California, New York et al should file the same lawsuit against Texas, North Carolina, Florida, etc. where Trump won the electoral votes, obviously through fraud since it hasn't been found (Giuliani's theory). 

In effect a USSC ruling then hypothetically invalidates all state's electoral votes and essentially destroys the electoral college. Dreaming on, the US House of Representatives then decides the election. And if it can't, good cheer - Pelosi becomes the 46th POTUS.

 

[J Town]

1 minute ago, Srikcir said:

Maybe states such as California, New York et al should file the same lawsuit against Texas, North Carolina, Florida, etc. where Trump won the electoral votes, obviously through fraud since it hasn't been found (Giuliani's theory). 

In effect a USSC ruling then hypothetically invalidates all state's electoral votes and essentially destroys the electoral college. Dreaming on, the US House of Representatives then decides the election. And if it can't, good cheer - Pelosi becomes the 46th POTUS.

 

Democrats are the adults in the room. They don't waste time/taxpayer dollars on such stupid efforts.

[LawrenceN]

3 hours ago, PatOngo said:

I can't wait for this clown to exhaust all his hair brain law suits and finally face the reality that he is a one term loser, will be interesting to see him AFTER he's thrown ALL the toys out of the pram. A disgusting man/child !

I see you couldn't bring yourself to use his name, either. Let's just refer to him as the Loser from now on. 

[ChouDoufu]

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'd love to see that. The ultimate put down to Biden.

 

Given that Biden will probably hold a social distancing event and Trump won't, Trump will have a bigger turn out, IMO.

????

 

yes, and this time he can truthfully claim his in-person attendance numbers were yuugely biglier.

 

it'll give him one last shot as leader of the free world to infect and kill more of his supporters.

[Thomas J]

You have Biden who won only 16.3% of the counties in the USA the lowest of any winning candidate in history.  Despite that he reportedly got 80 million votes the most of any candidate in history.  That should give one pause.  Additionally, Biden trailed by double digits in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and  Georgia yet somehow managed to not only recoup that deficit in one state but it all 4.  One statistician cited in the petition to the Supreme Court stated the odds of that were One in a Quadrillion.   Not sure but at the very least, if there is no fraud then it is best to let the investigation proceed.  47% of the American People according to the highly respected Rasmussen poll believe there was fraud.  That is not a good idea to have implanted in the US population that its elections are rigged.  It is best to alleviate any doubt in the integrity of the process not just for Trump but for all elections going forward. 

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2020/most_say_mail_in_voting_worked_but_47_say_fraud_likely
 

[Sujo]

29 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The argument is for the courts to decide, not you or I.

The courts already decided on that. Scotus wont take it up because they too already decided its a state issue.

 

As the conservative scholar ben ginsberg said...its like texas telling another state they have to make their citizens wear a mask.

 

 

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

You have Biden who won only 16.3% of the counties in the USA the lowest of any winning candidate in history.  Despite that he reportedly got 80 million votes the most of any candidate in history.  That should give one pause.  Additionally, Biden trailed by double digits in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and  Georgia yet somehow managed to not only recoup that deficit in one state but it all 4.  One statistician cited in the petition to the Supreme Court stated the odds of that were One in a Quadrillion.   Not sure but at the very least, if there is no fraud then it is best to let the investigation proceed.  47% of the American People according to the highly respected Rasmussen poll believe there was fraud.  That is not a good idea to have implanted in the US population that its elections are rigged.  It is best to alleviate any doubt in the integrity of the process not just for Trump but for all elections going forward. 

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2020/most_say_mail_in_voting_worked_but_47_say_fraud_likely
 

The fact that people believe there is fraud is a direct result of Trump. I mean there are plenty of stupid Americans who believe him. Plus some posters on this forum too. 

 

Many people believed the guy with the mustache too that WW1 was lost because of a certain group of religious people. Total B.S but it was believed. It just shows how easy some people are manipulated. Does not really prove that something happened. 

 

Best thing is to charge Trump for undermining democracy unless he can prove the fraud. Too bad that is not possible. But manipulators that do so much damage should be punished somehow.

[Sujo]

7 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

You have Biden who won only 16.3% of the counties in the USA the lowest of any winning candidate in history.  Despite that he reportedly got 80 million votes the most of any candidate in history.  That should give one pause.  Additionally, Biden trailed by double digits in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and  Georgia yet somehow managed to not only recoup that deficit in one state but it all 4.  One statistician cited in the petition to the Supreme Court stated the odds of that were One in a Quadrillion.   Not sure but at the very least, if there is no fraud then it is best to let the investigation proceed.  47% of the American People according to the highly respected Rasmussen poll believe there was fraud.  That is not a good idea to have implanted in the US population that its elections are rigged.  It is best to alleviate any doubt in the integrity of the process not just for Trump but for all elections going forward. 

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2020/most_say_mail_in_voting_worked_but_47_say_fraud_likely
 

The difference between beliefs and facts.

 

Go to scotus with beliefs and see how you get on.

Edited December 10, 2020 by Sujo

[ChouDoufu]

9 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

You have Biden who won only 16.3% of the counties in the USA the lowest of any winning candidate in history.  Despite that he reportedly got 80 million votes the most of any candidate in history.  That should give one pause.  Additionally, Biden trailed by double digits in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and  Georgia yet somehow managed to not only recoup that deficit in one state but it all 4.  One statistician cited in the petition to the Supreme Court stated the odds of that were One in a Quadrillion.   Not sure but at the very least, if there is no fraud then it is best to let the investigation proceed.  47% of the American People according to the highly respected Rasmussen poll believe there was fraud.  That is not a good idea to have implanted in the US population that its elections are rigged.  It is best to alleviate any doubt in the integrity of the process not just for Trump but for all elections going forward. 

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2020/most_say_mail_in_voting_worked_but_47_say_fraud_likely
 

 

"counties" don't vote, people vote.

 

for example, my county in texas with a population under 1000 covers nearly 2500 square miles.

 

do we get the same congressional representation as los angeles county with 10 million voters covering 5000 square miles?  or do we count half as much because of the overall acreage?

 

meaningless statistics.

 

 

[Caldera]

The Supreme Court should not only dismiss this frivolous case, but also find all those who are backing it in contempt, for wasting the justices' precious time. They really have enough on their plate without having to deal with those baseless claims.

[Tie Dye Samurai]

4 hours ago, PatOngo said:

I can't wait for this clown to exhaust all his hair brain law suits and finally face the reality that he is a one term loser, will be interesting to see him AFTER he's thrown ALL the toys out of the pram. A disgusting man/child !

I hate to correct you sir, but Donald Trump is a One Term IMPEACHED loser....lets try to be accurate and give credit where it is so richly deserved. 

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Frivolous?  LOL.  Could you cite any of their grievances?  They have a strong case. which I suspect will not be ignored.

Couple of best quotes of this frivolous lawsuit to go along with your strong cup of coffee; hopefully to wake you up from your fantasy ride. 

Both procedurally and substantively, it's a mess," Justin Levitt, an election law professor at Loyola Law School in California, said of the Texas lawsuit. "There's zero chance the court agrees to take the case."

 

As election law expert Richard Hasen put it about the Texas filing, "This is a press release masquerading as a lawsuit. ... What utter garbage. Dangerous garbage, but garbage."

[RJRS1301]

4 hours ago, PatOngo said:

I can't wait for this clown to exhaust all his hair brain law suits and finally face the reality that he is a one term loser, will be interesting to see him AFTER he's thrown ALL the toys out of the pram. A disgusting man/child !

He will never admit he lost irresp[ective of what occurs on December 14, and the SC.

He will refuse to attend the inauguration if Biden is sworn in, and then proceed to make even more wild claims about the "stealing of democracy" even by his own stacked court.

People are so ungrateful for the jobs for life he bestowed on them.

Ginsberg R would be furious at all this methinks

 

[spidermike007]

Other than a lack of involvement from the military, this appears to be the equivalent of an attempted take over, or a coup. They did not like the results, and the fact that the American people chose Biden by 7 million votes. All of that toxic spewing of hatred, name calling, fake info, and nastiness resulted in a resounding defeat. Yet? No, it was a fake result. No, it was rigged. Chances are, it was the GOP that attempted to rig the election, and yet the margin was still great enough for Biden to win. Sore losers would be an understatement. 

[Tie Dye Samurai]

2 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Since it's the age of pointless silly filings, it's about time California joined with the great States of Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Illinois, Oregon, Washington, Vermont and others and file with the Supreme Court to give texas back to Mexico. I mean, Mexico won the battle at the Alamo fair and square, so they should get what's spoiled, and a chunk of land where an AG is under indictment for a host of felonies (paxton) is most definitely spoiled and of no value whatsoever to the United States of America.

Texas won The Battle of San Jacinto and captured Antonio López de Santa Anna...in chess terms....Check Mate.

Edited December 10, 2020 by Tie Dye Samurai

[RJRS1301]

55 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'd love to see that. The ultimate put down to Biden.

 

Given that Biden will probably hold a social distancing event and Trump won't, Trump will have a bigger turn out, IMO.

????

Counting the infection rate and death toll from the rallies?

Great for democracy and buying up cheap land from deceased estates

[placeholder]

4 minutes ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

Texas won The Battle of San Jacinto and captured Antonio López de Santa Anna...in chess terms....Check Mate.

But they cheated! The result must be overturned!

[RJRS1301]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Agree. Up till Trump it was just the same people taking turns, IMO, and the ordinary folks always got screwed by the rich, IMO. No wonder the populace revolted and elected Trump, IMO. Love or hate Trump he made politics interesting.

Seeing as it's, IMO, going back to business as usual in American government, it'll be interesting to see if the populace revolts again in 2024.

Trump is an expert at taking from the "revolting" populace to fund his next "pie in the sky" law suit or political rally.

The populace is revolting correct, but sending the great Oz money

[Tug]

53 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'd love to see that. The ultimate put down to Biden.

 

Given that Biden will probably hold a social distancing event and Trump won't, Trump will have a bigger turn out, IMO.

????

Yup lots of trump supporters would be delighted to attend donalds super spreader event passing on this virulent virus to friends and family btw 3,000 dead today matching the toll from 911 I know people drowning in ther flem alone at home or in a hospital arnt as exciting as planes crashing into buildings but the results are the same and one other thing trump better watch his mouth he won’t enjoy the protection of beeing potus inciting violence and insurrection are a crime

[Walker88]

46 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

You have Biden who won only 16.3% of the counties in the USA the lowest of any winning candidate in history.  Despite that he reportedly got 80 million votes the most of any candidate in history.  That should give one pause.  Additionally, Biden trailed by double digits in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and  Georgia yet somehow managed to not only recoup that deficit in one state but it all 4.  One statistician cited in the petition to the Supreme Court stated the odds of that were One in a Quadrillion.   Not sure but at the very least, if there is no fraud then it is best to let the investigation proceed.  47% of the American People according to the highly respected Rasmussen poll believe there was fraud.  That is not a good idea to have implanted in the US population that its elections are rigged.  It is best to alleviate any doubt in the integrity of the process not just for Trump but for all elections going forward. 
 

 

Spurious 'argument'.

 

People vote. Land doesn't vote.  How many people are in LA County, CA?  How many are in the average county in Wyoming? LA County has 20 times more people than the entire State of Wyoming.  repubs live off that 'land' argument. Do you know that the mayor of Columbus Ohio, whose name you do not know, governs over more people than both Senators from Wyoming? The mayor of Columbus, however, doesn't get a vote on SC Justices or Cabinet picks.  The anachronism called the Senate is so stilted toward 'land' vs people that California has but two Senators, but a larger population than the combined populations of WY, AK, IA, KS, WV, SD, ND, KY, NE, UT, AL, MT, ID, OK, NV, and AR, who have 32 total Senators.

 

As for 'double digit behind in polls?  When was that, January?  Just before the election Biden had a good lead in MI, okay in WI and in PA, and both GA and AZ were considered toss ups.  Now 45's people like polls? They hated polls in 2016.

 

Now here is something that should make you pause:

 

Those 16.3% of US Counties Biden won account for over 70% of US GDP. 45's 83.7% of Counties account for less than 30% of US GDP. One would wonder if those areas who support 45 are not parasites, living off the production of Biden Counties.  Good thing they're Democrats and not Ayn Rand Libertarian types, otherwise they would take their production and Go Galt.

Edited December 10, 2020 by Walker88

[ChouDoufu]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

But they cheated! The result must be overturned!

 

sure, they cheated, but we can't prove that with actual evidence.

but we have statistical proof that the texicans could not have fielded an army that size.

there were more soldiers than residents.

they were bringing in grapeshot in the dead of night, in briscuit delivery wagons.

i've even heard it's being said that hugo chavezeses great-great-grandpappy did it in the parlour with a candlestick!

4DD checkers!

[Walker88]

11 minutes ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

Texas won The Battle of San Jacinto and captured Antonio López de Santa Anna...in chess terms....Check Mate.

 

As the saying should go....."there's two kinds of people in the world; them that's texans, and them that get down on their knees every night and thank the good lord they're not".

[FritsSikkink]

54 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

it'll give him one last shot as leader of the free world to infect and kill more of his supporters.

He is not our leader, who give the USA president the right to rule over free countries.

[vandeventer]

WOW, This is really great news soon all the red states will be backing Trump. I hope it goes to congress with 1 vote per state. This will put Trump back in the WH for 4 more years.

[Thomas J]

31 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

counties" don't vote, people vote.

 

for example, my county in texas with a population under 1000 covers nearly 2500 square miles.

 

do we get the same congressional representation as los angeles county with 10 million voters covering 5000 square miles?  or do we count half as much because of the overall acreage?

 

meaningless statistics.

You are correct that people vote.  However the statistic is still valid.  You have the fewest counties and the most votes.  Those are contradictory statistics.  People live in counties and Biden won the fewest yet somehow garnered the most votes.  Not impossible but it would mean Biden won overwhelmingly in those counties.  As stated 47% of people have doubts and there is no problem in alleviating their concerns not just now but for the future as people need to have confidence in the voting process. 

 

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

WOW, This is really great news soon all the red states will be backing Trump. I hope it goes to congress with 1 vote per state. This will put Trump back in the WH for 4 more years.

Then they'll be experiencing rejection shortly. Sad!

[J Town]

Just now, Thomas J said:

You are correct that people vote.  However the statistic is still valid.  You have the fewest counties and the most votes.  Those are contradictory statistics.  People live in counties and Biden won the fewest yet somehow garnered the most votes.  Not impossible but it would mean Biden won overwhelmingly in those counties.  As stated 47% of people have doubts and there is no problem in alleviating their concerns not just now but for the future as people need to have confidence in the voting process. 

 

Again and again and again - Very few people voted FOR Biden, they voted AGAINST the loser. It's obvious the turnout was extreme this election. The loser has hurt so many people, has trampled on SO much of the constitution, and this is why the turnout.

 

Usually it's just a tepid election between two old white guys. This time it truly was a fight to save democracy, and it's appalling that so many people stand behind this loser, willingly racing headlong into supporting a dictatorship.

[OneMoreFarang]

Banana republic USA.

 

 

Edited December 10, 2020 by onthedarkside
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[ChouDoufu]

6 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

You are correct that people vote.  However the statistic is still valid.  You have the fewest counties and the most votes.  Those are contradictory statistics.  People live in counties and Biden won the fewest yet somehow garnered the most votes.  Not impossible but it would mean Biden won overwhelmingly in those counties.  As stated 47% of people have doubts and there is no problem in alleviating their concerns not just now but for the future as people need to have confidence in the voting process. 

 

 

how it the statistic valid?

 

you're counting counties......with populations ranging from the single digits to the tens of millions and treating them as equivalent things. 

 

might as well tally the number of hair salons in counties won by each candidate.  people go to hair salons, right?  that evidence would be just as valid.

 

let's say trump won 100 counties, each with 1000 residents, with 100% of the vote.

biden on the other hand won los angeles county, 10 million residents, with 67%.

 

statistically that's a 100:1 margin of victory for trump!

[Walker88]

4 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

You are correct that people vote.  However the statistic is still valid.  You have the fewest counties and the most votes.  Those are contradictory statistics.  People live in counties and Biden won the fewest yet somehow garnered the most votes.  Not impossible but it would mean Biden won overwhelmingly in those counties.  As stated 47% of people have doubts and there is no problem in alleviating their concerns not just now but for the future as people need to have confidence in the voting process. 

 

 

Wrong. Just wrong.  Some counties in States with tiny populations have a few dozen people.  Biden need not 'win overwhelmingly' to overcome a few dozen votes. LA County has 10.5 million people. Biden won all of California with 63.5% of the vote. That sure makes up for hundreds of tiny marryyoursisterville counties.

 

As for people 'who have doubts', those doubts are being fed by a lying loser who champions conspiracy theories.  Anyway, there are also people who have doubts the Earth is round, not flat. Some people are willfully ignorant.