The worst thing Thailand could do is lockdown. No science behind it. Stupidity reigns. 

2 minutes ago, williamk said:

The worst thing Thailand could do is lockdown. No science behind it. Stupidity reigns. 

In which case you can guarantee they will do it.

12 minutes ago, Pierre Hanot said:

Well if businesses are closed what are so many migrants  doing in one area ? Most businesses that closed in my area forced workers from other provinces to move back home north , north east ... I  also know some that moved back to Vietnam or Myanmar , even Cambodia recently .they don't have money to burn . So why would some cross the border to a land of desperation? Beats me . 

I believe the business had reopened 

Does anyone really think Thailand, (Who has a history of never reporting the truth), actually has a grip on this?

10 hours ago, Dmaxdan said:

It is not about you though. The real losers are the people who' will not be able work and therefore can't pay their bills and feed their children. Another lockdown will be catastrophic for many Thais. 

 

If a lockdown is inevitable, then the way to go should be a tier system like in the UK.  

Thank you for calling out some of the selfishness often seen on TV by expats 

10 hours ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

Well, that wasn't expected at all....

 

Given that chances are high I will arrive in Thailand this weekend, what was the last lock down like? I remember there was a curfew, no nightlife, and random foreigners were busted throwing private parties - but were there more restrictions or could you at least go get food and supplies during the day?

 

We'll be in quarantine until mid-January anyway, but wondering what happens after...

Good luck sure you will be able to get food. If you travelling to Thailand for family reasons understandable otherwise don't bother wait until 2022

I hope that I"m wrong, but a lockdown appears to be coming certainly.  

Take those numbers and multiply it by roughly ten.  That is how many are infected right now.  This stuff spreads like wildfire.  And it's spreading right now, this second.

The evidence that lockdowns reduce the “cases” is where?

11 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand faces lockdown if outbreak cannot be contained - PM

Now you acting like Donald Trump. Lock down until you get this thing under control. It’s not like we haven’t been through it before. The country isn’t going to get better at this time and if it gets out of hand, I sure you be looking for new job. 

So, just to understand this whole mess:

1. The "so called" SarsCov2 Virus is a Chinese Computer model from 2019 that has never been isolated [which means that there is no Science at all for this case !!!]
2. Based on this computer model there is a PCR test that does not look for a Virus but for genetic material [tiny parts of the real strain]
    and does not prove an infection [confirmed by courts and scientists from all over the world now]
3. The inventor of the PCR method [who got the Nobel prize for the invention]stated very clearly that the PCR test is completely useless for tests !!!
4. After 40 cycles of running the PCR test the test result is 100% positive according to Laboratories and Scientists
4. Based on a test that does not prove any infection there are now "positive test results" that do show infections [???]
 that will lead to another lockdown that will finally give the economy the final blow ???

 

... so, basically this is all just a fairy tale story of a super dangerous virus that is based on a Computer model that suggests that there might be a virus if people just believe in it ??? Sounds funny to anybody who can actually think which seems to be very rare these days.

Just now, Truth Will Set You Free said:

Now you acting like Donald Trump. Lock down until you get this thing under control. It’s not like we haven’t been through it before. The country isn’t going to get better at this time and if it gets out of hand, I sure you be looking for new job. 

Donald Trump is completely against lock downs .... ???? 

4 minutes ago, brain150 said:

So, just to understand this whole mess:

1. The "so called" SarsCov2 Virus is a Chinese Computer model from 2019 that has never been isolated [which means that there is no Science at all for this case !!!]
2. Based on this computer model there is a PCR test that does not look for a Virus but for genetic material [tiny parts of the real strain]
    and does not prove an infection [confirmed by courts and scientists from all over the world now]
3. The inventor of the PCR method [who got the Nobel prize for the invention]stated very clearly that the PCR test is completely useless for tests !!!
4. After 40 cycles of running the PCR test the test result is 100% positive according to Laboratories and Scientists
4. Based on a test that does not prove any infection there are now "positive test results" that do show infections [???]
 that will lead to another lockdown that will finally give the economy the final blow ???

 

... so, basically this is all just a fairy tale story of a super dangerous virus that is based on a Computer model that suggests that there might be a virus if people just believe in it ??? Sounds funny to anybody who can actually think which seems to be very rare these days.

HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

2 minutes ago, brain150 said:

4 minutes ago, Truth Will Set You Free said:

Now you acting like Donald Trump. Lock down until you get this thing under control. It’s not like we haven’t been through it before. The country isn’t going to get better at this time and if it gets out of hand, I sure you be looking for new job. 

Donald Trump is completely against lock downs .

If he got to think about it, then it not different. He didn’t think about it when it hit the country in March 2020. 

Most lockdowns in the World have been to late.  Look at the exodus in NYC and London when it had a delayed  start date. Plus those places never had a chance at contact tracing.    

I believe Thailand now has the real virus to fight.  I hope they can do better than the rest of the World. 

Shut it down now.  No travel for 2 weeks and hope contact tracers can get a grip on all the outbreak areas.  Sorry no NY  family gatherings or parties.   Most of the 10% of tourist workers are not getting their jobs back in 2021.  Why should one industry be protected.   Has yiur industry ever been protected?  Mine never was. The other 90% in Thailand have been doing ok.   The hiso have been posting away on all their travels to nice resorts north and South.  Postings weddings and big restaurant gathering  and concerts  and dances.  90% want government to do whatever it takes. 

Rice harvest is in.   Nobody has starved that I have seen reported.  

I can report that it's no fun in Europe. I'm in France and we've been in their second lockdown since October 26th. Restaurants, bars, cafés and public venues have been closed since that date with no sign of being allowed to reopen. Only shops have stayed open, at first only food shops. We were all home confined except for essential shopping or work until recently. Heavy fines for being caught out and about against the rules. 1 hr of outdoor exercise, recently increased to 3. Limited to 1 km from home until recently. Then 20. . Now that has been relaxed and we are also for now ( who knows) allowed to meet in groups of no more than 6. But there is now a curfew from 8pm until 6am. Only Christmas Eve excepted for families. But schools and work places have been open throughout, unlike the first lockdown here which lasted 2 months.

15 minutes ago, Kalasin Jo said:

I can report that it's no fun in Europe. I'm in France and we've been in their second lockdown since October 26th. Restaurants, bars, cafés and public venues have been closed since that date with no sign of being allowed to reopen. Only shops have stayed open, at first only food shops. We were all home confined except for essential shopping or work until recently. Heavy fines for being caught out and about against the rules. 1 hr of outdoor exercise, recently increased to 3. Limited to 1 km from home until recently. Then 20. . Now that has been relaxed and we are also for now ( who knows) allowed to meet in groups of no more than 6. But there is now a curfew from 8pm until 6am. Only Christmas Eve excepted for families. But schools and work places have been open throughout, unlike the first lockdown here which lasted 2 months.

Are you free to travel round the country? 

6 minutes ago, KhaoNiaw said:

So you're saying the lockdown measures etc. have saved a lot of lives?

is there any credible evidence that they have? and how many have they cost?

4 minutes ago, Bluedan said:

is there any credible evidence that they have? and how many have they cost?

I don't know. It seemed to be what that post was suggesting. That's why I was asking.
Are there any economic comparisons between countries that have done strict lockdowns and those that haven't or those that have flippflopped? It would be interesting to see.

2 hours ago, PGSan said:

Just spotted one or two in this thread.  Must have escaped whilst the governor was not looking!

Not noticed many different strains??? around, but clearly you are very familiar with dna and sequence your friends  regularly.  Can I visit your lab facilities sometime?

 

Yes, certainly. There are at least 6 or 7 strains identified to date. There will probably be 12 or 13 before any vaccines are widely available. Of course, vaccines won't protect against all strains, but will probably attenuate the worst effects (e.g.  the same as common flu vaccines cannot protect against all flu strains/mutations, but may protect against those identified and known from previous years).

 

By the end of 2021 the asymptomatic/mild strains will dominate and at least half the population will be partly immune through having had these strains or through vaccinations. The human genome and immune system will have incorporated memories of the virus so that it will be rarely fatal in exposed populations.

 

By 2025 this virus will just be a memory as its DNA mixes into other flu strains and few pure forms are left.

 

It may be a problem for newly borns after 2022 whose mothers were never exposed to the virus and if they are unlucky enough to catch any pure strains still doing the rounds.

 

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, KhaoNiaw said:

I don't know. It seemed to be what that post was suggesting. That's why I was asking.
Are there any economic comparisons between countries that have done strict lockdowns and those that haven't or those that have flippflopped? It would be interesting to see.

Yes i agree he was implying that. And for what its worth the stats suggest that the death toll from COVID 19 is worse than the 2018 flu, but IMO not to the degree that justifies the measures taken particularly when one considers the "collateral damage". For example The Who estimates that lockdown policies will result in more than 100 million being thrown into extreme poverty. How one measures the resultant loss of life or years of life I dont know but surely it will be a large number. Karol Sakura cancer specialist in the UK estimates 20-50,000 deaths directly due to lockdown...people not getting diagnosed or treated for cancer. There are also suggestions of many dying from untreated heart disease.

 

I haven't seen economic comparisons but given the nature of the global economy I doubt whether any nation would be immune from economic recession whether they locked down or not. Sweden didn't lock down but also suffered economic downturn..... not surprising since they are an integral part of Europe and suffered loss of tourism like all others.

 

I have however seen statistical comparisons between numerous countries with varying degrees of lockdowns and no lockdowns at all and the graphs showing fatalities look remarkably the same which suggests human intervention make little if any difference. Look at Argentina Belgium and Peru all with extremely harsh lockdowns and high death rates.

3 hours ago, PGSan said:

 

 

I see no connections here?  What is the logical argument?  But  happy that you had  a great 50B trip!

My logical argument here that you do not seam to be able to understand is that on all the borders to all the adjoining countries, the people could get a 30 day entry at the border crossings for very little money which shows that all crossings do not have to be illegal or pay corruption money. Now could your brain get what I was saying?

Lock it down and drag the economy into the ashes. 
Doesn't effect the rulers at the top.  They don't care. 
And the terminally fearful will rejoice with happiness.
Win-win.  Lock it down and weld the cover on.  Rejoice!

34 minutes ago, Blumpie said:

It's surprising that the moderators permit you to barf this kind of untruth out.

The current virus, despite all these lockdowns, has killed more in 11 months than the flu (that's flu, not flue) has killed in 10 years.  

So now you are just going to argue about some other silly thing and throw more untruths in to further prove your point - to yourself.  

the numbers don't lie.

Have a nice day.

1,7000,000 are said to have died of COVID. Its arguable that many died with COVID not of COVID given the classification criteria. However putting that argument aside, the CDC estimates between 291,000 and 646,000 people die of flu every year. At the lower estimated rate this is 5.8 years and the higher range 2.6 years of flu deaths, not 10 years of flu deaths as you suggest. Perhaps the moderators might want to remove your post since these numbers also don't lie.

Lock it all down baby.  And start mass testing too.  Then you'll finally find the reason to destroy what remains of the Thai economy. 
It's a good time to live in rural Thailand. Less drama.

1 hour ago, Blumpie said:

It's surprising that the moderators permit you to barf this kind of untruth out.

The current virus, despite all these lockdowns, has killed more in 11 months than the flu (that's flu, not flue) has killed in 10 years.  

So now you are just going to argue about some other silly thing and throw more untruths in to further prove your point - to yourself.  

the numbers don't lie.

Have a nice day.

Of course when you die for a stroke they do a PCR Corona test and declare you dead for covid . By the way the numbers say that the deaths in 2020 are in line with the average..

Do it before New Year and the government and the rest will be certainly decent toast ......... Good luck with that ! 

6 hours ago, jkcjag said:

I doubt migrant workers from Myanmar have spare money to pay bribes.

The bribes are organized by the agents getting them work, and the money is taken from their wages.

Is there anywhere to read the pm's speech in English? 

More people will die of starvation, domestic violence and suicide than this virus could ever kill, if lockdown after lockdown after lockdown are imposed. Death rates all over the world are average and in places like Germany even negative!!! We are not talking about Ebola or the Black Death here!!!! It's the long term effects of idiotic knee jerk reactions performed by useless string puppets that kill people!!!

 

What I disliked last time was the way that individual provincial Governors handled the restrictions in different ways; where some provinces remained almost unaffected while others were in total lockdown, Even with the national lockdown Phuket took it a stage further and prevented travel between districts.

 

We've now seen rules introduced in Samut Sakhon, border checks in Phuket and near total lockdown conditions in Samut Songkhram. I'm convinced last time that the (unelected) Governors tried to outo their neighbours!

 

This was a precursor of the national lockdown last time round. Same again on the way? I really hope not.