UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

[welovesundaysatspace]

And while we are grabbing some pieces of the financial services sector, the EU has finalized an investment agreement with China that was being negotiated over the last 7 years. 

[Surelynot]

The only trade deal in history to erect trade barriers, seriously damage financial services and limit peoples freedom to travel........and we have the gall to poke fun at Thai politicians???

Edited December 31, 2020 by Surelynot

[transam]

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

The only trade deal in history to erect trade barriers, seriously damage financial services and limit peoples freedom to travel........and we have the gaul to poke fun at Thai politicians???

I missed that post, where is it, can't find it...?....

[david555]

14 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

The only trade deal in history to erect trade barriers, seriously damage financial services and limit peoples freedom to travel........and we have the gall to poke fun at Thai politicians???

The Thais lost their leading position now  in the ranking of "the shoot your own foot " countest to U.K....after years long  holding it ????????????

[david555]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Just like Tom Cruise. 

You mean like" Mission impossible ...? "????

[onthedarkside]

A further exchange of bickering and off-topic posts has been removed.

 

Posters are welcome to address the actual topic:

 

UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

 

 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

You mean like" Mission impossible ...? "????

 

Didn't think of that 555.

[Hi from France]

5 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

And while we are grabbing some pieces of the financial services sector, the EU has finalized an investment agreement with China that was being negotiated over the last 7 years. 

Even if the UK manages to be nice enough with China to get to copy the deal, China will still use the same tactics as with Australia (the famous Australian deal again ???? ).

 

And how can Global Britain get access to the Chinese services market? 

 

 

On the plus side, it was a nice, generous, move opening borders to Hong Kong immigration. The top estimates say it could reach the 600.000.

Not really in line with the "control our borders, control immigration" promise of Brexit, though. And not the same profile as Polish plumbers and Spanish nurses.. 

 

Now assimilating all the know-how and capital from Hong Kong could be a pretty good operation, with a potential to compensate some of the costs of Brexit. 

[CorpusChristie]

11 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

Even if the UK manages to be nice enough with China to get to copy the deal, China will still use the same tactics as with Australia (the famous Australian deal again ???? ).

 

And how can Global Britain get access to the Chinese services market? 

 

 

On the plus side, it was a nice, generous, move opening borders to Hong Kong immigration. The top estimates say it could reach the 600.000.

Not really in line with the "control our borders, control immigration" promise of Brexit, though. And not the same profile as Polish plumbers and Spanish nurses.. 

 

Now assimilating all the know-how and capital from Hong Kong could be a pretty good operation, with a potential to compensate some of the costs of Brexit. 

 

  Yes, it would be great in the UK could move Hong Kong to the Isle of Wight 

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, Hi from France said:

 

On the plus side, it was a nice, generous, move opening borders to Hong Kong immigration. The top estimates say it could reach the 600.000.

Not really in line with the "control our borders, control immigration" promise of Brexit, though. And not the same profile as Polish plumbers and Spanish nurses.. 

 

I'd say it's fairly obvious that we consider the Hong Kongers and their profiles will bring more to the UK than the Europeans did. There's the new control for you - we decide who and when, not an EU free for all.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Yes, it would be great in the UK could move Hong Kong to the Isle of Wight 

 

Kowloon instead of Cowes?

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Hi from France said:

Even if the UK manages to be nice enough with China to get to copy the deal, China will still use the same tactics as with Australia (the famous Australian deal again ???? ).

 

And how can Global Britain get access to the Chinese services market? 

 

 

On the plus side, it was a nice, generous, move opening borders to Hong Kong immigration. The top estimates say it could reach the 600.000.

Not really in line with the "control our borders, control immigration" promise of Brexit, though. And not the same profile as Polish plumbers and Spanish nurses.. 

 

Now assimilating all the know-how and capital from Hong Kong could be a pretty good operation, with a potential to compensate some of the costs of Brexit. 

 

As many of the Hong Kongese will have been raised in a British-governed Hong Kong, it is entirely proper that the UK show some responsibility and offer sanctuary.

[kingdong]

9 hours ago, Hi from France said:

remainers are traitors, that's what you mean?

 

 

Now about the democracy that you claim to defend

• This deal, arguably the most important in British history was passed in one day and without any proper scrutiny. You call that democracy? The Guardian said on the Brexit debate: no scrutiny, no choice
• And as you know full well, if the people of Britain had had the right to accept the deal by referendum, it would very likely have been rejected.
• As the "5 reasons the UK failed in Brexit talks" show, with a bit of thinking, the UK should never have accepted that deal. As far as negotiations come this has been a disaster: From services to industry and even fishing, the deal you are so happy with is a loosing deal.

 

 

 

Now the point of political clumsiness is described for TM ("We should have waited until we knew what we wanted and only then pulled the trigger rather than blundering in without knowing our desired end point.") but also albeit differently for BJ ("We willfully destroyed the EU’s trust in our commitment to implement what we had already agreed by threatening to unilaterally renege on the Northern Ireland Protocol. No. 10 reportedly thought they could provoke a crisis and thereby give themselves the whip hand as the EU panicked. Instead the EU kept calmly ploughing on and achieved its objectives while we wasted time on silly tactical games. We were forced to back down before we could sign the FTA, so we made no substantive gain")

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/5-reasons-uk-failed-brexit-talks/

On your first point i didn,t say that, you did ,typical remainer tactic you couldn,t counter my point intellectually so you had to resort to lying....link oxford english dictionary . " to lie ....to make a false statement " as you,ve been caught bang to rights i refuse to reply to or even read the rest of your post.

Edited December 31, 2020 by kingdong

[kingdong]

42 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

As many of the Hong Kongese will have been raised in a British-governed Hong Kong, it is entirely proper that the UK show some responsibility and offer sanctuary.

Pity they didn,t to the former residents of Rhodesia.

Edited December 31, 2020 by kingdong

[kingdong]

7 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

And while we are grabbing some pieces of the financial services sector, the EU has finalized an investment agreement with China that was being negotiated over the last 7 years. 

Those champions of human rights and democracy,pity they can,t make them members of the eu.

[stevenl]

28 minutes ago, kingdong said:

On your first point i didn,t say that, you did ,typical remainer tactic you couldn,t couter my point intellectually so you had to resort to lying....link oxford english dictionary . " to lie ....to make a false statement " as you,ve been caught bang to rights i refuse to reply to or even read the rest of your post.

Neither did he claim you said that. He asked a question, did you mean this "remainers are traitors, that's what you mean?", up to you to answer.

 

One could now say 'typically brexiteer tactic, you couldn,t couter the point intellectually so you had to resort to lying....link oxford english dictionary . " to lie ....to make a false statement " .

But I won't.

[kingdong]

8 hours ago, Surelynot said:

The only trade deal in history to erect trade barriers, seriously damage financial services and limit peoples freedom to travel........and we have the gall to poke fun at Thai politicians???

Are you referring to the deal the eu made with china?

[kingdong]

20 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Neither did he claim you said that. 

Oh yes he did.and whys it " up to me "to answer? Thats "up to me"not you or anyone else.

Edited December 31, 2020 by kingdong

[sandyf]

11 hours ago, vogie said:

Did the majority in Scotland vote to remain in the EU or not?

 

Again why we are going down the 'it's all about me' road. Sandy, for the umpteenth time, it was not a Scottish vote, it was a United Kingdom decision to leave the EU, and as much as you don't like it that is the reality.

And if blaming the English persistantly makes you sleep better in your bed at night, feel free to do so, we are getting used to it from the Scottish Nationalists, it's what they do, sadly.

No answer, and any reference to this question was noted by it's absence.

 

Scotland was a sovereign nation before entering into a union, does any nation have the right to reclaim sovereignty from a union?

[kingdong]

6 minutes ago, sandyf said:

No answer, and any reference to this question was noted by it's absence.

 

Scotland was a sovereign nation before entering into a union, does any nation have the right to reclaim sovereignty from a union?

No

[sandyf]

10 hours ago, transam said:

Time for you to do your homework on how things actually work....???? 

It has nothing to do with how things work, governments can change that with the stroke of a pen.

We are all quite aware that England wants to keep Scotland as a subservient nation, after all the colonies have seen the light and broke free, they have to hang on to something.

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

No answer, and any reference to this question was noted by it's absence.

 

Scotland was a sovereign nation before entering into a union, does any nation have the right to reclaim sovereignty from a union?

Oh perleaase, how far do you want to go back Sandy, the Celts were a sovereign nation before the Romans invaded, stop being silly. We are now one sovereign nation and if you wish to change that you can always put a SNP candidate in every seat in the UK and when you gain a majority in Westminster, you may stand a chance of partitioning the UK, till then, no chance.

They don't call you Mr Twisty for nothing now do they.????????????

[sandyf]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Oh perleaase, how far do you want to go back Sandy, the Celts were a sovereign nation before the Romans invaded, stop being silly. We are now one sovereign nation and if you wish to change that you can always put a SNP candidate in every seat in the UK and when you gain a majority in Westminster, you may stand a chance of partitioning the UK, till then, no chance.

They don't call you Mr Twisty for nothing now do they.????????????

That's classic, the Europeans have been fishing  certain waters for centuries and you want to take it away from them.

Brexit has always been about morality, or the lack of it and every post made highlights the fact.

[vogie]

10 minutes ago, sandyf said:

That's classic, the Europeans have been fishing  certain waters for centuries and you want to take it away from them.

Brexit has always been about morality, or the lack of it and every post made highlights the fact.

Mrs Sturgeon and the SNP have totally brought Scotland to its knees in the last 13 years, she wants to give control of Scottish fishing to the EU. She has just voted for a no-deal Brexit after stating that a no deal would be disastrous for Scotland. Please tell me Sandy what do the followers of this woman see in her that the rest of us don't, is your desire to get away from the English so strong you will sacrifice your country to acheive your goal.

Edited December 31, 2020 by vogie
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[Hi from France]

One guy who has a clear vision of the situation and the consequences of the deal we're dealing with... 

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-father-stanley-johnson-french-citizenship/

Edited December 31, 2020 by Hi from France

[Hi from France]

18 minutes ago, vogie said:

Mrs Sturgeon and the SNP have totally brought Scotland to its knees in the last 13 years, she wants to give control of Scottish fishing to the EU. 

Maybe she would have a better deal negotiating for Scotland than letting the English trade Scottish fishing zones against a better terms for manufacturing electric cars? 

 

Now the path to Scottish independence was complicated and is made much harder by Brexit. If Scotland had been independent, only the rest of the UK would have left the European Union. 

 

Now Scotland is out and in addition to the "normal" issues of becoming independent (currency, national debt, borders.. ) they would have to apply for entry into the EU, which is not an easy process. 

 

Not to mention the international market bill has stripped them off from some major devolved powers, so the situation looks more like a colony. 

 

. 

Edited December 31, 2020 by Hi from France

[kingdong]

28 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

One guy who has a clear vision of the situation and the consequences of the deal we're dealing with... 

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-father-stanley-johnson-french-citizenship/

If hes anything like his son hes probably partial to a bit of ooooh la la.

[kingdong]

20 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

Maybe she would have a better deal negotiating for Scotland than letting the English trade Scottish fishing zones against a better terms for manufacturing electric cars? 

 

Now the path to Scottish independence was complicated and is made much harder by Brexit. If Scotland had been independent, only the rest of the UK would have left the European Union. 

 

Now Scotland is out and in addition to the "normal" issues of becoming independent (currency, national debt, borders.. ) they would have to apply for entry into the EU, which is not an easy process. 

 

Not to mention the international market bill has stripped them off from some major devolved powers, so the situation looks more like a colony. 

 

. 

If,s but,s and maybe,s hindsight is a wonderfull thing.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, kingdong said:

On your first point i didn,t say that, you did ,typical remainer tactic you couldn,t counter my point intellectually so you had to resort to lying....link oxford english dictionary . " to lie ....to make a false statement " as you,ve been caught bang to rights i refuse to reply to or even read the rest of your post.

I find it quite amusing when people reply to a poster by saying "what you really mean is........... 

 

My reply is simply I mean what I wrote. Please don't twist my words to suit your agenda because that would be a lie. 

[Chomper Higgot]

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

As many of the Hong Kongese will have been raised in a British-governed Hong Kong, it is entirely proper that the UK show some responsibility and offer sanctuary.

The same could be said d of a few hundred million people born and raised in the British Empire.