In recorded call, Trump pressures Georgia election official to change results - Washington Post

[Nojohndoe]

14 minutes ago, candide said:

She's stuck between a rock and a hard place. She must claim that people did not believe it so that no damage has been done. But she also needs to claim she believed what she said, in order to show she did not intend to defame Dominion! ????

So are "people"  (as in in  normal average  stupid  representatives of an eligible  voting  public ) excusable whereas she ( being a superior intellectual  Dumper fan) above all  social criteria? Perhaps a Hand Maiden to the rulers of the  Void? Such a  shame  Einstein was never  asked to  theorize the validity improbability  of  political sedimentary  excrement!

[Jeffr2]

11 hours ago, Sujo said:

Its ok, his lawyer now admits she was lying. Saying no reasonable person would believe what she said. 

 

So when it comes to actual evidence and saying under oath, as usual, it falls apart.

 

https://www.9news.com.au/world/sidney-powell-donald-trump-election-lawsuit-defamation-dominion-voting-systems-us-politics/b0f93c3c-d228-46ec-8ddb-62a1087c9cd0

Quite a few members here should be embarrassed at their support for the Big Lie.  They should be ashamed they fell for it, and fought for it so strongly.  Duped for sure.

[muzley]

On 3/24/2021 at 11:13 AM, Jeffr2 said:

Quite a few members here should be embarrassed at their support for the Big Lie.  They should be ashamed they fell for it, and fought for it so strongly.  Duped for sure.

Sidney Powell is not backing down. More MSM fake news!!

Wisconsin was added today to Arizona, Georgia and New Hampshire who are now doing proper audits and looking into Dominion machines results from 2020 election.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sidney-powell-dismisses-lawsuit-defense-fake-news-doubles-down-on-conspiracies/ar-BB1eURrl

 

 

[candide]

30 minutes ago, muzley said:

Sidney Powell is not backing down. More MSM fake news!!

Wisconsin was added today to Arizona, Georgia and New Hampshire who are now doing proper audits and looking into Dominion machines results from 2020 election.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sidney-powell-dismisses-lawsuit-defense-fake-news-doubles-down-on-conspiracies/ar-BB1eURrl

 

 

Complete B.S.! MSM never wrote that she was backing down!

 

You will not be able to back your claim with MSM articles claiming she backed down!

 

You fell into Powell's lies once again!

Edited March 25, 2021 by candide

[candide]

22 minutes ago, muzley said:

Wisconsin was added today to Arizona, Georgia and New Hampshire who are now doing proper audits and looking into Dominion machines results from 2020 election.

And results of investigations have already started to be publicised. 

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/forensic-audit-of-dominion-voting-machines-in-arizona-show-no-evidence-of-vote-switching/

[Sujo]

31 minutes ago, muzley said:

Sidney Powell is not backing down. More MSM fake news!!

Wisconsin was added today to Arizona, Georgia and New Hampshire who are now doing proper audits and looking into Dominion machines results from 2020 election.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sidney-powell-dismisses-lawsuit-defense-fake-news-doubles-down-on-conspiracies/ar-BB1eURrl

 

 

So saying no reasonable person would believe her lies is not backing down?

 

Thats gold medal mental gymnastics right there.

 

Perhaps she needs a cunning linguist.

[Scott]

Off-topic, troll post and replies removed.  

 

[muzley]

23 hours ago, candide said:

And results of investigations have already started to be publicised. 

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/forensic-audit-of-dominion-voting-machines-in-arizona-show-no-evidence-of-vote-switching/

This is another audit not the sham you referred to.

 

https://www.theblaze.com/news/arizona-full-hand-recount-machine-audit

 

 

[Sujo]

3 minutes ago, muzley said:

This is another audit not the sham you referred to.

 

https://www.theblaze.com/news/arizona-full-hand-recount-machine-audit

 

 

Hows the court cases for election fraud going?

 

Surely if trump thinks its an issue he will asl for recounts in all states that uses them. Or does it only matter in the states he lost, bigly.

Edited March 26, 2021 by Sujo

[candide]

9 minutes ago, muzley said:

This is another audit not the sham you referred to.

 

https://www.theblaze.com/news/arizona-full-hand-recount-machine-audit

 

 

OK, the GOP can try again if it wants.

 

BTW, where are the MSM articles claiming that Powell backed down?

[placeholder]

12 minutes ago, muzley said:

This is another audit not the sham you referred to.

 

https://www.theblaze.com/news/arizona-full-hand-recount-machine-audit

 

 

You mean just like the 100% hand count that took place in Georgia? Do you recall what the results of that one were?

[heybruce]

9 hours ago, muzley said:

This is another audit not the sham you referred to.

 

https://www.theblaze.com/news/arizona-full-hand-recount-machine-audit

 

 

That's fine.  I assume the hand count, if done honestly, will confirm the election results. 

 

Of course even if the election results are once again confirmed it won't stop people from believing the big lie.

[Jeffr2]

16 hours ago, muzley said:

This is another audit not the sham you referred to.

 

https://www.theblaze.com/news/arizona-full-hand-recount-machine-audit

 

 

Still falling for the Big Lie?  Too bad...there are more important things to worry about now.  Like voter suppression efforts by the GOP.

[Scott]

Arizona has had 2 audits of the election.  Both independent audits found the elections to bee fair.  This audit is being done by the Republicans in the Senate. 

 

A group of Trump Supporters showed up at the tabulation center and were admitted to watch the count, although letting them in violated the law. 

 

The people of AZ have also endured the conspiracies surrounding votes being destroyed and the search of the dumpster (also illegal and done on restricted property).  

It's a good idea to check the local news on issues like this and here's more on it:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2021/02/23/maricopa-countys-election-audits-show-2020-votes-counted-correctly/4550644001/

 

Now, please get back on the topic, which isn't about Arizona's election audits.

 

[muzley]

On 3/25/2021 at 9:00 PM, candide said:

Complete B.S.! MSM never wrote that she was backing down!

 

You will not be able to back your claim with MSM articles claiming she backed down!

 

You fell into Powell's lies once again!

Sidney's lawyer will clear it up for you all.

 

Official Statement from Sidney’s Lawyer
HOWARD KLEINHENDLER, ATTORNEY FOR SIDNEY POWELL, RESPONDS TO MEDIA ALLEGATIONS CONCERNING MOTION TO DISMISS FILED AGAINST DOMINION COMPLAINT

New York, New York March 23, 2021

Yesterday, several news media outlets cut and paste out of context portions of our motion to dismiss the Dominion complaint to “spin” a message that the election fraud allegations that Ms. Powell presented to various courts and to the public were not credible. I’d like to clarify what actually was presented to the court. First, let me be clear: any suggestion that “no reasonable person” would believe Ms. Powell or her comments on the election is false. The language these reports referred to is a legal standard adopted by the courts to determine whether statements qualify as opinions which are exempt from defamation liability.

As the DC Circuit reaffirmed just last week, there is no claim for defamation when the alleged “defamatory” statement is a legal opinion. Ms. Powell’s statements fall precisely into this category. Ms. Powell reviewed sworn affidavits, declarations, expert testimony, and other highly corroborated evidence concerning the election which Ms. Powell filed with the courts and shared publicly. She continues to stand by those opinions today. Our motion, in part, argues that the Dominion case should be dismissed because legal opinions are not grounds for defamation.

In sum, the legal standard of a technical legal defense crafted by the courts has been improperly manipulated by the media to tell a false narrative. Ms. Powell is not backing down or retracting her previous statements concerning Dominion. Dominion’s case lacks legal merit and should be dismissed in its entirety.

[muzley]

On 3/26/2021 at 8:20 PM, Sujo said:

Hows the court cases for election fraud going?

 

Surely if trump thinks its an issue he will asl for recounts in all states that uses them. Or does it only matter in the states he lost, bigly.

There are cases still proceeding through the courts.

[ozimoron]

12 minutes ago, muzley said:

Sidney's lawyer will clear it up for you all.

 

She continues to stand by those opinions today.

If the opinions contain claims so absurd that no sane person could possibly believe them is she still entitled to assert that they are legal opinions?

[muzley]

On 3/27/2021 at 12:40 PM, Jeffr2 said:

Still falling for the Big Lie?  Too bad...there are more important things to worry about now.  Like voter suppression efforts by the GOP.

I think you mean legalized cheating by the Dems. As stated many times you need ID for just about everything including entry into the Democratic Convention but not for elections!!! Sen Blunt grilling a Uni professor who claims purging dead voters off the electoral roll is voter suppression!!

 

It is laughable.

[Sujo]

17 minutes ago, muzley said:

There are cases still proceeding through the courts.

waiting for the kraken.

[Sujo]

24 minutes ago, muzley said:

Sidney's lawyer will clear it up for you all.

 

Official Statement from Sidney’s Lawyer
HOWARD KLEINHENDLER, ATTORNEY FOR SIDNEY POWELL, RESPONDS TO MEDIA ALLEGATIONS CONCERNING MOTION TO DISMISS FILED AGAINST DOMINION COMPLAINT

New York, New York March 23, 2021

Yesterday, several news media outlets cut and paste out of context portions of our motion to dismiss the Dominion complaint to “spin” a message that the election fraud allegations that Ms. Powell presented to various courts and to the public were not credible. I’d like to clarify what actually was presented to the court. First, let me be clear: any suggestion that “no reasonable person” would believe Ms. Powell or her comments on the election is false. The language these reports referred to is a legal standard adopted by the courts to determine whether statements qualify as opinions which are exempt from defamation liability.

As the DC Circuit reaffirmed just last week, there is no claim for defamation when the alleged “defamatory” statement is a legal opinion. Ms. Powell’s statements fall precisely into this category. Ms. Powell reviewed sworn affidavits, declarations, expert testimony, and other highly corroborated evidence concerning the election which Ms. Powell filed with the courts and shared publicly. She continues to stand by those opinions today. Our motion, in part, argues that the Dominion case should be dismissed because legal opinions are not grounds for defamation.

In sum, the legal standard of a technical legal defense crafted by the courts has been improperly manipulated by the media to tell a false narrative. Ms. Powell is not backing down or retracting her previous statements concerning Dominion. Dominion’s case lacks legal merit and should be dismissed in its entirety.

Funny how all those affidavits and expert opinions all got thrown out of court becsuse they were worthless.

 

But by all means, keep the faith.

[candide]

19 minutes ago, muzley said:

Sidney's lawyer will clear it up for you all.

 

Official Statement from Sidney’s Lawyer
HOWARD KLEINHENDLER, ATTORNEY FOR SIDNEY POWELL, RESPONDS TO MEDIA ALLEGATIONS CONCERNING MOTION TO DISMISS FILED AGAINST DOMINION COMPLAINT

New York, New York March 23, 2021

Yesterday, several news media outlets cut and paste out of context portions of our motion to dismiss the Dominion complaint to “spin” a message that the election fraud allegations that Ms. Powell presented to various courts and to the public were not credible. I’d like to clarify what actually was presented to the court. First, let me be clear: any suggestion that “no reasonable person” would believe Ms. Powell or her comments on the election is false. The language these reports referred to is a legal standard adopted by the courts to determine whether statements qualify as opinions which are exempt from defamation liability.

As the DC Circuit reaffirmed just last week, there is no claim for defamation when the alleged “defamatory” statement is a legal opinion. Ms. Powell’s statements fall precisely into this category. Ms. Powell reviewed sworn affidavits, declarations, expert testimony, and other highly corroborated evidence concerning the election which Ms. Powell filed with the courts and shared publicly. She continues to stand by those opinions today. Our motion, in part, argues that the Dominion case should be dismissed because legal opinions are not grounds for defamation.

In sum, the legal standard of a technical legal defense crafted by the courts has been improperly manipulated by the media to tell a false narrative. Ms. Powell is not backing down or retracting her previous statements concerning Dominion. Dominion’s case lacks legal merit and should be dismissed in its entirety.

And that's exactly what MSM have reported, for example CNN, including her attorney's statements:

"Indeed, Plaintiffs themselves characterize the statements at issue as 'wild accusations' and 'outlandish claims.' They are repeatedly labelled 'inherently improbable' and even 'impossible.' Such characterizations of the allegedly defamatory statements further support Defendants' position that reasonable people would not accept such statements as fact but view them only as claims that await testing by the courts through the adversary process."

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/22/politics/sidney-powell-dominion-lawsuit-election-fraud/index.html

 

The other MSM articles I read were similar. She's making up claims, as usual.

 

[candide]

23 minutes ago, muzley said:

There are cases still proceeding through the courts.

And that's good!

 

Now, one question: there have been many court cases already, and they obviously did not convince you. If these new court ruling recuse again Trump's fraud claim, will you stop believing in the Big Lie? I think I already know the answer.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, candide said:

Now, one question: there have been many court cases already, and they obviously did not convince you. If these new court ruling recuse again Trump's fraud claim, will you stop believing in the Big Lie? I think I already know the answer.

What chance have they got now that she's admitted her claims were lies?

[xylophone]

47 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

What chance have they got now that she's admitted her claims were lies?

 

1 hour ago, candide said:

And that's exactly what MSM have reported, for example CNN, including her attorney's statements:

"Indeed, Plaintiffs themselves characterize the statements at issue as 'wild accusations' and 'outlandish claims.' They are repeatedly labelled 'inherently improbable' and even 'impossible.' Such characterizations of the allegedly defamatory statements further support Defendants' position that reasonable people would not accept such statements as fact but view them only as claims that await testing by the courts through the adversary process."

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/22/politics/sidney-powell-dominion-lawsuit-election-fraud/index.html

 

The other MSM articles I read were similar. She's making up claims, as usual.

 

Yes, a sort of "Catch 22" situation I believe.

 

She came out with the accusations of fraud by Dominion and wanted everyone to believe her.

 

Now she/her lawyers are saying that her claims were so preposterous that nobody could take her claims seriously.

 

But, her claims of fraud were made in an effort to overturn the election result, so she wanted them to be believed.

 

I hope she gets sued for squillion's of dollars!! Stupid woman.
 

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, muzley said:

I think you mean legalized cheating by the Dems. As stated many times you need ID for just about everything including entry into the Democratic Convention but not for elections!!! Sen Blunt grilling a Uni professor who claims purging dead voters off the electoral roll is voter suppression!!

 

It is laughable.

I see you are still smarting from the loss by your dumb and lying ex-president, well get over it because it's long gone and none of his/their lawsuits had any merit whatsoever, and that was even the verdict of the High Court judges, who were predominantly Republican.

 

Find something else to occupy your time, how about basket weaving or flower pressing just like the "proud boys"?
 

[candide]

31 minutes ago, xylophone said:

 

Yes, a sort of "Catch 22" situation I believe.

 

She came out with the accusations of fraud by Dominion and wanted everyone to believe her.

 

Now she/her lawyers are saying that her claims were so preposterous that nobody could take her claims seriously.

 

But, her claims of fraud were made in an effort to overturn the election result, so she wanted them to be believed.

 

I hope she gets sued for squillion's of dollars!! Stupid woman.
 

It's more tricky than that. On the one hand, she must claim that no damage has been done to Dominions reputation, I.e. nobody believed it. On the other hand, she must also claim that she had no intent to defame, i.e. that she didn't know it was lies.

That why she claims at the same time that no reasonable person would have believed it, but also that she believed it and she's still believing  it. In brief, she needs to claim she's a complete moron in order to avoid conviction

[Phulublub]

2 hours ago, candide said:

In brief, she needs to claim she's a complete moron in order to avoid conviction

On that basis (and having watched only brief clips of her in action)  she should be free

 

PH

[heybruce]

8 hours ago, muzley said:

I think you mean legalized cheating by the Dems. As stated many times you need ID for just about everything including entry into the Democratic Convention but not for elections!!! Sen Blunt grilling a Uni professor who claims purging dead voters off the electoral roll is voter suppression!!

 

It is laughable.

The accusation of "legalized cheating" would carry much more weight if you could come up with evidence of widespread cheating.  Even a few examples would help.  How many dead people voted?

[placeholder]

17 hours ago, muzley said:

Sidney's lawyer will clear it up for you all.

 

Official Statement from Sidney’s Lawyer
HOWARD KLEINHENDLER, ATTORNEY FOR SIDNEY POWELL, RESPONDS TO MEDIA ALLEGATIONS CONCERNING MOTION TO DISMISS FILED AGAINST DOMINION COMPLAINT

New York, New York March 23, 2021

Yesterday, several news media outlets cut and paste out of context portions of our motion to dismiss the Dominion complaint to “spin” a message that the election fraud allegations that Ms. Powell presented to various courts and to the public were not credible. I’d like to clarify what actually was presented to the court. First, let me be clear: any suggestion that “no reasonable person” would believe Ms. Powell or her comments on the election is false. The language these reports referred to is a legal standard adopted by the courts to determine whether statements qualify as opinions which are exempt from defamation liability.

As the DC Circuit reaffirmed just last week, there is no claim for defamation when the alleged “defamatory” statement is a legal opinion. Ms. Powell’s statements fall precisely into this category. Ms. Powell reviewed sworn affidavits, declarations, expert testimony, and other highly corroborated evidence concerning the election which Ms. Powell filed with the courts and shared publicly. She continues to stand by those opinions today. Our motion, in part, argues that the Dominion case should be dismissed because legal opinions are not grounds for defamation.

In sum, the legal standard of a technical legal defense crafted by the courts has been improperly manipulated by the media to tell a false narrative. Ms. Powell is not backing down or retracting her previous statements concerning Dominion. Dominion’s case lacks legal merit and should be dismissed in its entirety.

This is nonsense of course. Labelling something a legal opinion doesn't make it so. It's one thing to make allegations in a legal document. But to speak slanderous words in public or write libelous documents not composed in service of the legal system is quite another. Just because Sidney Powell is a lawyer doesn't mean she has carte blanche to assert whatever she wants to in whatever venue she chooses. This gambit will be laughed out of court.

[Phulublub]

14 hours ago, heybruce said:

The accusation of "legalized cheating" would carry much more weight if you could come up with evidence of widespread cheating.  Even a few examples would help.  How many dead people voted?

I believe one person has been charged for voting on behalf of his deceased mother.  Not heard of any other instances.  Gues who "she" voted for?

 

PH