How security failures enabled Trump mob to storm U.S. Capitol

[Opl]

58 minutes ago, bendejo said:

So, DT addressed an antifa rally before the riot?

 

 

Trump just addressed a colourful YMCA mob, but Gaetz debunked the plot in the plot  

Edited January 8, 2021 by Opl

[onthedarkside]

A partisan political trolling post and multiples replies have been removed.

[bendejo]

1 hour ago, tomazbodner said:

I can't see Pence pardoning Trump. From how he conducts himself, I just can't see it happening.

 

Pish-tosh, hypocrisy is practically part of his religious doctrine.  Caught him being untruthful lots of times.

Pence is so pious about his religion I suspect he is covering up some vile fetishes.

 

Listening to the speech DT made before the assault, he kept saying "we" as in "we're going to march down to The Capitol."  I was expecting him to physically lead them, circled by his security detail of course.  But to paraphrase the punch line to the old Lone Ranger joke, "what mean 'we,' orange face?"

 

 

Edited January 8, 2021 by bendejo

[Salerno]

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Three days before supporters of President Donald Trump rioted at the Capitol, the Pentagon asked the US Capitol Police if it needed National Guard manpower.

 

And even as the mob descended on the building, Justice Department leaders reached out to offer FBI agents.

 

The police turned them down both times, according to senior defence officials and two people familiar with the matter.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-08/us-capitol-police-rejected-offers-of-federal-help-to-quell-riot/13042600

Edited January 8, 2021 by Salerno

[Jeffr2]

10 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-08/us-capitol-police-rejected-offers-of-federal-help-to-quell-riot/13042600

Call in the troops for BLM protests, but let Trump's nut jobs walk right into the capitol building, and walk right out.  With stolen items in hand.  Incredible.

[mtls2005]

Some excellent detail here from Ken Dilanian and Julia Ainsley
 

 

What went wrong with security at the Capitol?

 

WASHINGTON — Amid growing evidence that pro-Trump extremists were planning to target the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, the day Congress was set to certify the election of Joe Biden as president, in recent days Congressman Tim Ryan had asked the people in charge of security whether they had everything they needed.

 

"I had conversations with the sergeant-at-arms and the chief of the Capitol Police, who gave me assurances that every precaution was being taken, that we had enough manpower, that we were going to keep people completely away from the Capitol," Ryan, the Ohio Democrat who chairs the subcommittee that funds the Capitol complex, told reporters Thursday.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/what-went-wrong-security-capitol-n1253341?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_ma&fbclid=IwAR0S9AVy5FHT2N2Hz8by3LC-T8epvZR7zmgJT8mzWeEIemphWoK1iKmp6Oc

[natway09]

I find it very difficult to believe that they did not see this coming.

i was sitting on my balcony in Bangkok reading an article the night before & it was obvious this was on the cards. 

[watthong]

Oh dear, why it is so hard to understand? This "security failure" was simply a coordinated component of the coup. In the morning, Josh Hawley gave the crowd the signal (a fist-hand salute) as he walked into the Capitol prepared to voice his objection. The Capitol Police chief made sure it's a cakewalk into the building (as he had refused additional help and told everybody who was concerned that all was hunky dory days before.)  As the Republican objectors started carrying out their plan inside the chambers,  outside Trump told to the crowd to walk to the Capitol and show "strength." When he finally put out the video and told the crowd to go home, this is what they heard, "We love you, you're very special." In the meantime the mayhem unfolded for two hours. If I were a congressman, I would be furious because my life was intentionally put in danger. What I don't understand is why people refuse to see fact when it's staring them in the face.

Edited January 8, 2021 by watthong

[Opl]

11 minutes ago, watthong said:

Oh dear, why it is so hard to understand? This "security failure" was simply a coordinated component of the coup. In the morning, Josh Hawley gave the crowd the signal (a fist-hand salute) as he walked into the Capitol prepared to voice his objection. The Capitol Police chief made sure it's a cakewalk into the building (as he had refused additional help and told everybody who was concerned that all was hunky dory days before.)  As the Republican objectors started carrying out their plan inside the chambers,  outside Trump told to the crowd to walk to the Capitol and show "strength." When he finally put out the video and told the crowd to go home, this is what they heard, "We love you, you're very special." In the meantime the mayhem unfolded for two hours. If I were a congressman, I would be furious because my life was intentionally put in danger. What I don't understand is why people refuse to see fact when it's staring them in the face.

 

+ Trump: "We're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue... and we're going to the Capitol... we're going to try and give our Republicans ... the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country."

 

 

[Rimmer]

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[mtls2005]

OK, so there were ~ ten (10) investigations into Benghazi.

 

Will at least one be allowed for this rampage? 

 

 

[pegman]

2 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Some excellent detail here from Ken Dilanian and Julia Ainsley
 

 

What went wrong with security at the Capitol?

 

WASHINGTON — Amid growing evidence that pro-Trump extremists were planning to target the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, the day Congress was set to certify the election of Joe Biden as president, in recent days Congressman Tim Ryan had asked the people in charge of security whether they had everything they needed.

 

"I had conversations with the sergeant-at-arms and the chief of the Capitol Police, who gave me assurances that every precaution was being taken, that we had enough manpower, that we were going to keep people completely away from the Capitol," Ryan, the Ohio Democrat who chairs the subcommittee that funds the Capitol complex, told reporters Thursday.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/what-went-wrong-security-capitol-n1253341?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_ma&fbclid=IwAR0S9AVy5FHT2N2Hz8by3LC-T8epvZR7zmgJT8mzWeEIemphWoK1iKmp6Oc

 This is what happens when geriatrics are in charge. Nancy and Mitch were responsible for that building and obviously failed miserably.  They should both resign.  People at their age should be in old folk's homes not running the country. Seems the mayor of Washington was more concerned about protecting her turf from the feds and she should go too. Representative Ryan from Ohio  needed to get  to the bottom of things by digging deeper and should be taken off his committee chair duties. The great 4Star General Honore was on Brian Williams show tonite. He  stated that while he was working in the Pentagon part of his responsibility was making plans for protecting federal buildings in the capital region.  In his opinion there was complicity by the capital police chief and the Senate and House Sergeants at arms because that was how  they thought Trump wanted it.

[Tagged]

Who called in the National guards? Pence or Trump?

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, Tagged said:

Who called in the National guards? Pence or Trump?

The mayor. Then after 90 mins pence said yes.

[HaleySabai]

21 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Trump incited sedition. Lock him up, along with any of the "protestors" that can be identified and arrested. They soiled democracy.

IMO it was the brazen nature of the mob that caught the police off guard. Events moved too fast for them

Get your facts straight. Trump said no such thing that even comes close to "sedition".

Interestingly, there are eye-witness accounts of the barricades to the Capital Building being removed by security/police and allowing a bum-rush of agitators into the halls.

 

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, HaleySabai said:

Get your facts straight. Trump said no such thing that even comes close to "sedition".

Interestingly, there are eye-witness accounts of the barricades to the Capital Building being removed by security/police and allowing a bum-rush of agitators into the halls.

 

"Get your facts straight. Trump said no such thing that even comes close to "sedition"." Many legal experts and politicians disagree with your opinion (there is a difference between an option and a fact) here.

[Jeffr2]

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2 minutes ago, HaleySabai said:

Get your facts straight. Trump said no such thing that even comes close to "sedition".

Interestingly, there are eye-witness accounts of the barricades to the Capital Building being removed by security/police and allowing a bum-rush of agitators into the halls.

 

Any eye-witness videos?

[Jeffr2]

4 minutes ago, HaleySabai said:

Get your facts straight. Trump said no such thing that even comes close to "sedition".

Interestingly, there are eye-witness accounts of the barricades to the Capital Building being removed by security/police and allowing a bum-rush of agitators into the halls.

 

Come on.  He's been firing them up for this for weeks.  Stolen election.  Stop the steal.  Come to DC in force and be ready.  To say nothing about what Don jr. and Rudy have been spewing. 

 

Sedition.  Plain and simple.

[Salerno]

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Any eye-witness videos?

 

Looks more like a "tactical withdrawal" as the crowd move the barriers rather than opening them for the crowd per se, but ...

 

https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/vision-emerges-of-police-moving-barricades-to-allow-rioters-into-us-capitol-taking-selfies/news-story/45a9be3adf9b447b53d23cf5536c5d02

[Tagged]

32 minutes ago, Sujo said:

The mayor. Then after 90 mins pence said yes.

Trump say he did in the video this morning thai time. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 minutes ago, HaleySabai said:

...look like "Trumpers" to me....

 

I think a good clue can be taken from the image of the guy carrying the huge "Trump is my President" flag.

 

Whatever tattoo the guy in the photo has on his hand is too blurry to clearly identify.

 

 

Edited January 8, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[rudi49jr]

17 hours ago, Inn Between said:

Trump called on these people to "march on the Capitol" and "fight" for his second term. He clearly incited these low-IQ knuckle-draggers to do irreparable damage to the Fifty States of America because he has no use to it (at the moment) and couldn't care less what happens to it

On Wednesday evening he addressed those people with “we love you, you are very special”. One day later he condemns the violence and says those people are going to have to pay for what they did. How’s that for a complete 180? Way to throw your followers under the bus, Donald. Just goes to show, once again, what a sanctimonious lying and sorry excuse for a man he is. 

[Jingthing]

9 minutes ago, HaleySabai said:

...and those many "legal experts" you saw on where .....CNN?

Rewind back to the "peaceful protests" in the Dem-run cities where the political powers in those domains went megaphone bat-s%$t with seditious incitation.

Don't bother, those videos have since disappeared and history soon to be re-written.

 

Trump could of said "you have to go home now,we have to have peace,we have to have law and order"...but words like that would just destroy the ongoing negative "narrative" about him. YOU wouldn't know that he actually said that because Trump was locked out of his FB & Twitter accounts by Big-Tech.(the new government that governs your government). Thank god they did that, we could only imagine the further carnage and violence if Twitter and FaceBook would of let people see that video of Trump!

Yup, once again Big-Tech steps in and saves the day!!

 

Before you get your panties tied in a knot....I'm not a Trump supporter, other than admiring his stance on China and a willingness to drain "The Swamp".

However, I do find the serious disinformation effort by most MSM and big tech working in conjunction with each other to swing the outcome of the election to be a very interesting (and deliberate) phenomena....that's only the tip of it all.

 

But hey, out there in 'green-smoke-land' where the consensus seems to be...."what more can we say, the voting machines have spoken and the Supreme Court has concurred".... Amen.

He incited this. 

All the gaslighting in the world can't ever change that fact.

 

 

Edited January 8, 2021 by Jingthing

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Tagged said:

Trump say he did in the video this morning thai time. 

Trump said he authorized the National Guard.  Everyone else says it was Pence.

 

Who to believe?

[heybruce]

28 minutes ago, HaleySabai said:

...and those many "legal experts" you saw on where .....CNN?

Rewind back to the "peaceful protests" in the Dem-run cities where the political powers in those domains went megaphone bat-s%$t with seditious incitation.

Don't bother, those videos have since disappeared and history soon to be re-written.

 

Trump could of said "you have to go home now,we have to have peace,we have to have law and order"...but words like that would just destroy the ongoing negative "narrative" about him. YOU wouldn't know that he actually said that because Trump was locked out of his FB & Twitter accounts by Big-Tech.(the new government that governs your government). Thank god they did that, we could only imagine the further carnage and violence if Twitter and FaceBook would of let people see that video of Trump!

Yup, once again Big-Tech steps in and saves the day!!

 

Before you get your panties tied in a knot....I'm not a Trump supporter, other than admiring his stance on China and a willingness to drain "The Swamp".

However, I do find the serious disinformation effort by most MSM and big tech working in conjunction with each other to swing the outcome of the election to be a very interesting (and deliberate) phenomena....that's only the tip of it all.

 

But hey, out there in 'green-smoke-land' where the consensus seems to be...."what more can we say, the voting machines have spoken and the Supreme Court has concurred".... Amen.

You qualify your first paragraph by saying the videos that would support your claim have disappeared.  Disappeared or been discredited?  Nothing ever disappears from the internet, but your claim does let you avoid providing evidence.

 

In your second paragraph you omitted the part where Trump said he loved the protesters.

 

Regarding your third paragraph, four years of Trump's "America Alone" policies have left China ascendant, America diminished, and the swamp bigger and badder than ever.  Still admire Trump?

 

 

[placeholder]

59 minutes ago, HaleySabai said:

...and those many "legal experts" you saw on where .....CNN?

Rewind back to the "peaceful protests" in the Dem-run cities where the political powers in those domains went megaphone bat-s%$t with seditious incitation.

Don't bother, those videos have since disappeared and history soon to be re-written.

 

Trump could of said "you have to go home now,we have to have peace,we have to have law and order"...but words like that would just destroy the ongoing negative "narrative" about him. YOU wouldn't know that he actually said that because Trump was locked out of his FB & Twitter accounts by Big-Tech.(the new government that governs your government). Thank god they did that, we could only imagine the further carnage and violence if Twitter and FaceBook would of let people see that video of Trump!

Yup, once again Big-Tech steps in and saves the day!!

 

Before you get your panties tied in a knot....I'm not a Trump supporter, other than admiring his stance on China and a willingness to drain "The Swamp".

However, I do find the serious disinformation effort by most MSM and big tech working in conjunction with each other to swing the outcome of the election to be a very interesting (and deliberate) phenomena....that's only the tip of it all.

 

But hey, out there in 'green-smoke-land' where the consensus seems to be...."what more can we say, the voting machines have spoken and the Supreme Court has concurred".... Amen.

I'm not a Trump supporter but...Anybody who commends Trump for his alleged willingness to drain the swamp, given his dismal record of doing exactly the opposite,  is clearly in the bag for Trump.

[Rimmer]

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[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

Trump said he authorized the National Guard.  Everyone else says it was Pence.

 

Who to believe?

No question.

Pence. 

[Backslider]

 

this whole debacle occured because of a lack of basic security preparedness, if someone had had the forethought to prepare for what was always likely to be a potentially disruptive protest the outcome would have been much reduced.