Trump supporters who stormed U.S. Capitol could face sedition charges -prosecutor

[bunnydrops]

11 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

fun fact:  the red button on the president's desk summons the butler.

Ha, Thanks for that bit of info. But I always thought that one was a ketchup spill

[worldexpress]

Funny... was just writing to describe them as racist misfit country bumkins. 

[Walker88]

1 hour ago, cmarshall said:

 

That's just brand management.

I believe the famous scene from Casablanca where 'Louie' closes down Rick's as he accepts his night's gambling winnings seems appropriate here.

 

Shocked shocked that 45 turns out to be an insurrectionist.

Edited January 8, 2021 by Walker88

[spiekerjozef]

19 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

fun fact:  the red button on the president's desk summons the butler.

lol I thought that was for the mental institution.

[cmarshall]

1 minute ago, Walker88 said:

I believe the famous scene from Casablanca where 'Louie' closes down Rick's as he accepts his night's gambling winnings seems appropriate here.

 

Shocked shocked that 45 turns out to be an insurrectionist.

 

I don't think the plot is necessarily over.  Chao and DeVos may have resigned specifically to prevent the invocation of the 25th Amendment since it is not clear that the next level official in those departments has the authority to vote on the decision.  

 

I expect Trump to pardon all the terrorists who entered the Capitol yesterday.  A poll has shown that 45% of Republicans support the attack on the Congress.  This may turn out to be a win for Trump.

[cmarshall]

9 minutes ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

Does anybody actually think that Donald Trump is going to care enough about this cross section of the Hee Haw viewing demographic that he pulled his Jedi Mind Trick on, in the next 12 days, to find out who they are and pardon them? He is currently consumed with saving his and the inner circle's own collective seditious asses...and when he can get a good tee time on January 20th....and his upcoming unveiling of taxes in the State Of New York.

 

Easy-peasey.  "I hereby extend a full pardon to any person who was present at the Capitol or on its grounds on Jan. 7 for any crime they have committed or may have committed."  Done. That's more less how Andrew Johnson pardoned the whole Confederate army after the Civil War.

[Tie Dye Samurai]

1 minute ago, cmarshall said:

 

Easy-peasey.  "I hereby extend a full pardon to any person who was present at the Capitol or on its grounds on Jan. 7 for any crime they have committed or may have committed."  Done. That's more less how Andrew Johnson pardoned the whole Confederate army after the Civil War.

The confederate army was registered adn on record....the only real accounting of this bunch of scholars would be a Neilson ratings survey of Duck Dynasty...

[cmarshall]

1 minute ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

The confederate army was registered adn on record....the only real accounting of this bunch of scholars would be a Neilson ratings survey of Duck Dynasty...

 

 

You don't understand how it works.  If Trump pardons yesterday's terrorists there is no need to have any list of their names, by pardoning, for instance, "any person present at the Capitol or on its grounds on Jan 7," then no one on earth can be charged with any crime that was committed there that day.  They don't have to be listed by name.  

 

Here is Jimmy Carter's Proclamation granting unconditional pardon to draft evaders of the Vietnam era.  The effect, without naming anyone, is that no such crimes can be charged for that period of time:

 

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
A PROCLAMATION

 

Acting pursuant to the grant of authority in Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution of the United States, I, Jimmy Carter, President of the United States, do hereby grant a full, complete and unconditional pardon to: (1) all persons who may have committed any offense between August 4, 1964 and March 28, 1973 in violation of the Military Selective Service Act or any rule or regulation promulgated thereunder; and (2) all persons heretofore convicted, irrespective of the date of conviction, of any offense committed between August 4, 1964 and March 28, 1973 in violation of the Military Selective Service Act, or any rule or regulation promulgated thereunder, restoring to them full political, civil and other rights.

 

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/proclamation-4483-granting-pardon-violations-selective-service-act

[cdemundo]

3 hours ago, Emdog said:

Not the sharpest pencils in the box, this crowd.

Nice of them not to wear covid masks, so identification so much easier with full face photos

 

At least one has already gotten the pink slip from his employer (US News) 

"One of the people shown in the D.C. police photos wore his work identification badge inside the capitol and was identified and fired by his employer"

Probably a great loss to his employer with that kind of foresight. 

 

 

 

[Walker88]

In addition to 45's flags and emblems, there were protesters wearing QAnon gear, carrying Confederate flags, and with "Camp Auschwitz" and "6MWE" logos on their clothes, as well as other Neo Nazi emblems.

 

"We love you; you're very special people"  -----45

 

Shame.

[bendejo]

1 hour ago, cmarshall said:

It could have been a massacre of the Congress yesterday followed by a decree of martial law including an indefinite postponement of the inauguration.  I don't know if that was in the minds of the putschists, but I'll bet it was in Trump's mind.

 

Also of Flynn and Bannon.  And that female lawyer Sydney.  I would suspect Stone.  All the best people.

Rudy, sanely, did not like it.

 

Actually I was expecting death, hostages and arson.

If there are not some arrests and convictions they're going to be back, better organized, with real objectives and strategies.  And sponsored.  Like the Tea Party was.

 

 

[ChouDoufu]

3 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

In addition to 45's flags and emblems, there were protesters wearing QAnon gear, carrying Confederate flags, and with "Camp Auschwitz" and "6MWE" logos on their clothes, as well as other Neo Nazi emblems.

 

"We love you; you're very special people"  -----45

 

Shame.

 

trump was right about one thing; after the election (in this case, the electoral vote tally), no one would be talking about covid, covid, covid.

 

 

The US reported more than 4,000 Covid-19 deaths in one day for the first time ever  (January 8, 2021)

 

(CNN)The US reported more than 4,000 Covid-19 deaths Thursday -- the most virus-related deaths the country has reported in one day since the pandemic's start.

 

It's the third day in a row of record daily deaths from the disease, according to data from Johns Hopkins University, while the number of people who have been infected topped more than 21.56 million.

 

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's most recent forecast projected there will be between 405,000 and 438,000 deaths by the end of the month. The previous forecast, published December 30, projected up to 424,000 deaths by January 23.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/07/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html

[cdemundo]

 

The strange thing about True Believers is that even though the Storm didn't come they will still believe.  The Millerite Christian Sect  thought the 2nd Coming was gonna happen in 1844, when it didn't come they called it The Great Disappointment.  Millerites went on to found two new denominations that are still around today.  I think that somehow they always find a way to explain failures of prophecy so faith is even stronger.

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[onthedarkside]

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[Walker88]

If the FBI is really intent on rounding up the terrorists, then can also get records from phone companies which will indicate location during the hours of the insurrection. Most of the terrorists were carrying cellphones, and these leave a footprint.

 

Breaching the Capitol  building is a felony.  Approximately 10,000 of the terrorists breached the Capitol building and grounds, though some estimates run as high as 40,000. 40,000 felony convictions means 40,000 fewer people allowed to own or possess any firearms.

[xylophone]

3 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

CNN is running lots of interviews with people who attacked the building.  Wow!  What a bunch of nuts!  Clearly, not very smart people and not in touch with reality.  Sadly, driven by the lies of Trump, and the conspiracy theories on social media.  They need to seek professional help.  Perhaps deprogramming?

I really don't know what the common denominator is for this bunch of idiots, or for that matter for trump supporters because none of them seem very smart, so perhaps I answered my own question.

 

One guy interviewed yesterday pointed back towards the building and said something along the lines of, "see how easy it was to breach their defences". Of course he didn't stop to think that "their defences" was in fact the defence of American democracy which they had trodden all over.

 

And one thing that riled me whilst watching BBC news last night was an interview with a woman republican spokesperson who when asked about the rioting and whether some of the blame should be laid at the feet of Donald Trump, said that one had to see it in perspective......and then proceeded to talk about how people felt regarding the election being "stolen". 

 

At this time the interviewer interrupted and said that Trump and his cohorts had urged the mob to attack and take back the election, so surely that was inciting a riot, said the interviewer, but the Republican spokesperson refused to address it and one could see that the interviewer was really angry and astounded by this, and good on her, she said, "in that case we'll have to agree to disagree".

 

That there are still senior Republican members who do not see anything wrong in what Donald Trump has done is not only tantamount to sedition in itself, but to plain, pure stupidity, yet they are in charge of the country (for a while anyway). Unbelievable. 

[ChouDoufu]

what is trump doing today (as another 4,000 die)?

 

The president’s publicly available schedule was empty yet again on Thursday as a statement released to the press read: “President Trump will work from early in the morning until late in the evening. He will make many calls and have many meetings.” 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/where-is-trump-today-capitol-riots-pence-b1783889.html

[Walker88]

I almost forgot this !

 

Last summer, 45 signed an Executive Order that anyone who desecrates Federal property gets an automatic 10 years in jail.

 

The terrorists might have taken the time to look above 45's bigly signature to see what the EO said.

[stevenl]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well he could try, but given the evidence of him  inciting the attack he can easily be considered a coconspirator - good luck getting the pardon from a coconspirator to hold up in court.

Trump will never be seen as a co-conspirator. He didn't tell them to enter the building and/or use violence. His tweets will be considered free speech. Now all thinking people know what happened and he incited and bears full responsibility. But he'll get away with this one.

[cmarshall]

41 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Breaching the Capitol  building is a felony.  

 

Which apparently has a maximum prison sentence of twenty years.

[Chomper Higgot]

17 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Trump will never be seen as a co-conspirator. He didn't tell them to enter the building and/or use violence. His tweets will be considered free speech. Now all thinking people know what happened and he incited and bears full responsibility. But he'll get away with this one.

I don’t believe he will get away with this.

 

As has been noted, he’ll not accept this defeat and will continue to agitate his base when out of office.

 

That needs to be stopped and the way to stop it is throw him in the slammer.

 

Take the easiest proven crime first and carry on until his sentences exceed his remaining life.

 

 

[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t believe he will get away with this.

 

As has been noted, he’ll not accept this defeat and will continue to agitate his base when out of office.

 

That needs to be stopped and the way to stop it is throw him in the slammer.

 

Take the easiest proven crime first and carry on until his sentences exceed his remaining life.

 

 

Rumor has it the WH legal counsel, and some of his closest allies, made Trump do that speech to help clear him of any wrong doing.  Let's see how long this lasts.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

18 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Rumor has it the WH legal counsel, and some of his closest allies, made Trump do that speech to help clear him of any wrong doing.  Let's see how long this lasts.

 

 

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However, following the riots Trump's White House Counsel, Pat Cipollone, advised the president that he could face legal jeopardy for encouraging his supporters to storm the Capitol building, according to sources familiar with their discussions.

 

https://abc7news.com/politics/trump-mulling-self-pardon-sources-say/9444376/

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/under-pressure-trump-condemns-violence-at-capitol-and-acknowledges-election-loss-11610069019

 

"Advisers said the president remains consumed with anger toward Vice President Mike Pence over what he saw as a betrayal for refusing to try to block the congressional certification of President-elect Joe Biden’s election victory.

 

Several White House officials steered clear of the Oval Office on Thursday, wanting to avoid a president described by one adviser as “in a dark place.” Advisers said the president appears more consumed with his election loss than remorseful for the riot.

 

“It’s like watching someone self-destruct in front of your very eyes, and you can’t do anything,” said another adviser who recently spoke to the president."

 

From all indications, the conciliatory language of his recent public statement was crafted by his aides and intended to help calm the storm and perhaps lessen his potential legal liability for the insurrection.

 

But from the above, does he really sound like a guy who's done and ready to move on?

 

[than]

Protesters are being prosecuted at the federal level, so Trump will have every opportunity to pardon them before he leaves the White House... as he did for the members of his relatives ????

[CharlieH]

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[klauskunkel]

6 hours ago, Emdog said:

Not the sharpest pencils in the box, this crowd.

Alas the US has over 70 Mio unsharp pencils, and this needs to be addressed:

 

Edited January 8, 2021 by onthedarkside
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[stevenl]

56 minutes ago, than said:

Protesters are being prosecuted at the federal level, so Trump will have every opportunity to pardon them before he leaves the White House... as he did for the members of his relatives ????

This means names must be known within the next 12 days. If they're wise they put this on hold till the 20th noon.

[Chomper Higgot]

49 minutes ago, klauskunkel said:

Alas the US has over 70 Mio unsharp pencils, and this needs to be addressed:

 

Take heart from the observation that Trump supporters here on TVF (those that have spent the past five years echoing his lies and attacks on the media) have evaporated.

 

The same is largely true across social media. 

 

Trump isn’t done yet, but all except the radicalized members of his base have seemingly been confronted with something they are unable or willing to defend.

 

 

Edited January 8, 2021 by Chomper Higgot

[Sujo]

32 minutes ago, stevenl said:

This means names must be known within the next 12 days. If they're wise they put this on hold till the 20th noon.

I hope jnr and eric and rudy are placed on hold. They certainly crossed the line.