Trump faces calls for removal, possible impeachment after Capitol chaos

[Kwasaki]

37 minutes ago, J Town said:

He never conceded. He still remains deluded, saying it's a rigged system.

That's not what I saw him say on French 24 news. 

Not that I give a dam any US govt is I'd dangerous to world peace never mind USA. 

 

Edited January 9, 2021 by Kwasaki

[Mavideol]

35 minutes ago, J Town said:

There were too many terrorists who invaded the capitol under the color of law. That guy with a belt full of police zip tie loops? You don't get those unless you are connected to law enforcement.

as I said on a previous post, to get as far as they did somebody on the inside helped them

[Andy from Kent]

 

 

I read somewhere the first order of business for Joe Biden is to buy a truckload of room deodorizers to rid the White House of Donald Trump's stench.

 

 

[Mavideol]

5 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Great article to try and understand Trump's supporters.  It's complex, but mainly blamed on media outlets.  Sadly!!

 

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/22217822/us-capitol-attack-trump-right-wing-media-misinformation

you are correct,  all in the name of huge profits & billion dollars deals, Fox, News Max, Twitter, FB and affiliates all should be banned from accepting his comments/rants inciting to violence, some type of guidance/censorship laws should be imposed on these extremist news outlets, unfortunately that will never happen because the US citizens will be crying foul about their freedom/free speech has been taken away, thus we should expect more of the same in a very near future because the $$$$ involved with the news outlets it's all worth it

[Sujo]

And yet he has complete control of nuclear code and can launch. He needs to be gone asap.

 

https://www.thesundaily.my/world/us-president-has-sole-power-to-launch-nuclear-strike-says-pentagon-s-top-general-AA6020763

[joecoolfrog]

5 hours ago, KhunFred said:

Nothing they do to Trump will be nearly enough. Four years of this should be a great learning experience, but I fear that voter amnesia is as strong as it has ever been.

I think you underestimate the damage done. Pretty hard work for Trumpers to now claim they are patriotic or on the side of law and order.

Sure a hard core will continue to stay in denial but a large number of republicans will be sickened , treason resonates with them.

[xylophone]

7 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

As I said Trump has conceded already.

The police were at fault for letting the protesters get violet and the person in charge has resigned.

Maybe the protesters will release Violet without harming her!

[shdmn]

11 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

I saw a female protester being interviewed , she said " We have to back Trump , he is Americas last chance , we have to be saved from the socialists and communists "

Im thinking whoa , this is a throwback from the fifties , does she actually know what communism is.

I cant help but believe there is some kind of genetic inbalance at work here , did the lizard people contaminate the water or the cornbread ?

Their right wing media brainwashing has told them  communism bad, socialism bad, therefore democrats bad.  While at the same time Putin/Russia good.  In other words, they are idiots who have no idea what they are talking about.

[shdmn]

Florida man, because of course he is.

 

Adam Christian Johnson, 36, of Parrish has been identified as the man carrying a U.S. House lectern during a pro-Trump riot at the U.S. Capitol. (Images: Facebook/Pinellas County Jail)

Edited January 9, 2021 by shdmn

[joecoolfrog]

49 minutes ago, shdmn said:

Their right wing media brainwashing has told them  communism bad, socialism bad, therefore democrats bad.  While at the same time Putin/Russia good.  In other words, they are idiots who have no idea what they are talking about.

To be fair its been a while since any communists held sway in Russia .Putin resembles Mussolini more than Lenin , a good old fashioned  flag waving Fascist.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

6 hours ago, Sujo said:

And yet he has complete control of nuclear code and can launch. He needs to be gone asap.

 

https://www.thesundaily.my/world/us-president-has-sole-power-to-launch-nuclear-strike-says-pentagon-s-top-general-AA6020763

 

 

Not much reassurance here.... But sickening that we find ourselves having to ponder these questions:

 

Pelosi Pressed Pentagon on Safeguards to Prevent Trump From Ordering Military Action

 

"Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California on Friday took the unprecedented step of asking the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff about “available precautions” to prevent President Trump from initiating military action abroad or using his sole authority to launch nuclear weapons in the last days of his term.

 

In a phone call to the chairman, Gen. Mark A. Milley, Ms. Pelosi appeared to be seeking to have the Pentagon leadership essentially remove Mr. Trump from his authorities as the commander in chief. That could be accomplished by ignoring the president’s orders or slowing them by questioning whether they were issued legally.

 

But General Milley appears to have made no commitments. Short of the cabinet invoking the 25th Amendment or removing Mr. Trump through impeachment in the House and conviction in the Senate, it is unconstitutional to defy legal orders from the commander in chief."

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/politics/trump-pelosi-nuclear-military.html

 

The only protection for the guy's remaining time in office would appear to be the following:

 

"While military officials can refuse to carry out orders they view as illegal — or slow the process by sending those orders for careful legal review — they cannot remove the president from the chain of command."

 

Edited January 9, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Scott]

A troll post with a nonsensical meme has been removed along with a post where the quoted text has been put in bold.  Do not do anything to quoted text.  

 

[Jeffr2]

8 hours ago, shdmn said:

Florida man, because of course he is.

 

Adam Christian Johnson, 36, of Parrish has been identified as the man carrying a U.S. House lectern during a pro-Trump riot at the U.S. Capitol. (Images: Facebook/Pinellas County Jail)

And him with a picture of another terrorist:

 

[paddypower]

20 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

At the very least its symbolic , in the record books he goes down as an even bigger loser.

360,000 dead Americans x by family members who survived to date will never forget this monster and his family. I hope to heck he is banned from public office. that would bury his reputation permanently.

 

[paddypower]

19 hours ago, heybruce said:

Regular troops always stand down unless receiving legal orders through their chain of command to go into action.  That's how a professional military works.

Please explain how no level of security was called up, despite weeks of social media posts calling for exactly what happened in the Capitol? How was it that the Secty. of Defense refused to call up the National Guard, even after the Capital buildings were stormed. ? How come even the Capitol police were not supplemented with extras drafted in? Under those suspicious circumstances, I would disarm Trump of his powers, by Impeachment by Congress and attempt to convict by  super-majority in the Senate. If the latter fails, a simple majority will ensure he is banned from public office. The latter is attractive to potential GOP candidates who may harbour plans to run in 2024.

 

[paddypower]

Just picked this up: Candid Camera for 2 morons:

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, paddypower said:

Just picked this up: Candid Camera for 2 morons:

Both should go to jail.  I saw a speech by Don Jr. telling people to get ready to fight.  They did.

[bendejo]

10 hours ago, shdmn said:

In other words, they are idiots who have no idea what they are talking about.

Indeed, wouldn't know a socialist from a social worker.

 

 

[kwonitoy]

45 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Both should go to jail.  I saw a speech by Don Jr. telling people to get ready to fight.  They did.

Podium guy is from Florida and has been arrested

Stay at home dad of 5, his Doctor wife has also been fired.

[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, kwonitoy said:

Podium guy is from Florida and has been arrested

Stay at home dad of 5, his Doctor wife has also been fired.

Another life ruined by MAGA nuts.

[bendejo]

Mitch is as full of fertilizer as ever.  He's doing his last trick -- he won't start until the day before inauguration, which ensures if it goes through it will be after the 20th.  One possible judgement could be DT he is not allowed to hold office again.  If DT goes into exile it might have an effect in the Congressional vote, his scared-shirtless lackies might stand up for themselves, the big bad wolf is gone.

 

 

Edited January 10, 2021 by bendejo

[stevenl]

4 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Breaking news.  Pence is not ruling out the 25th Amendment.  Keeping this in play in case Trump's mental state gets worse.

Or to prevent impeachment, and thereby keeping a Trump run in 2024 open?

[jvs]

2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Another life ruined by MAGA nuts.

Make that 7 lives ruined,and for what?

[cmarshall]

4 hours ago, paddypower said:

 I would disarm Trump of his powers, by Impeachment by Congress and attempt to convict by  super-majority in the Senate. If the latter fails, a simple majority will ensure he is banned from public office. 

 

 

As far as I know banning the President from holding office in the future could only be imposed as a sentence after conviction by the same two-thirds of senators present required to impose a sentence of removal from office.  

[Opl]

4 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

 

As far as I know banning the President from holding office in the future could only be imposed as a sentence after conviction by the same two-thirds of senators present required to impose a sentence of removal from office.  

And even so, then you'll get..1st in line of succession  Don Jr and his girlfriend .. "the best is to come"

Edited January 10, 2021 by Opl

[cmarshall]

Here is a way that a Senate trial could convict Trump.  The two-thirds requirement of senators for a conviction is two-thirds of the senators present, not two-thirds of the entire Senate body of 100 senators.  So, the Dems in the Senate could convict Trump if roughly thirty or more Republican senators declined to attend the trial.  I wouldn't say it's very likely, but some may decide that sitting it out allows them to dispose of Trump while ducking at least some of the blame in the eyes of Republican voters.

[cmarshall]

33 minutes ago, crobe said:

The article of impeachment from the House Democrats states incitement to insurrection, which will be easily passed in the house but may be more problematic to gain support in the Senate, however, additional evidence of Trump delaying the deployment of the National Guard by 90 minutes while the riot was ensuing, may become more pivotal.

 

While I think the delay in calling in the D.C. National Guard or authorizing the entry of the Maryland National Guard into the city is indeed evidence of a conspiracy to commit insurrection, I haven't seen any evidence tying either decision directly to Trump nor do I expect to see any.  Trump, like any crime boss, takes pains to isolate himself from incriminating evidence.

[crobe]

2 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

 

While I think the delay in calling in the D.C. National Guard or authorizing the entry of the Maryland National Guard into the city is indeed evidence of a conspiracy to commit insurrection, I haven't seen any evidence tying either decision directly to Trump nor do I expect to see any.  Trump, like any crime boss, takes pains to isolate himself from incriminating evidence.

There is testimony on some of the news channels that the pentagon officials, after the requests from the local police forces and mayor, could not authorize the deployment for 90 minutes as they were waiting for higher authority from the President. In the end the authorization came from the Vice-president (Pence).

If it turns out that Trump did indeed delay the deployment then it is damning

[cmarshall]

Just now, crobe said:

There is testimony on some of the news channels that the pentagon officials, after the requests from the local police forces and mayor, could not authorize the deployment for 90 minutes as they were waiting for higher authority from the President. In the end the authorization came from the Vice-president (Pence).

If it turns out that Trump did indeed delay the deployment then it is damning

 

There were at least separate instances.  The one you refer to was the authorization of the DC National Guard to go to the defense of Congress.  Apparently, that authorization was refused by Trump and ultimately issued by Pence, who, however, lacks authority give such permission.  

 

The other instance was the request by Governor Larry Hogan to the Secretary of Defense for authorization to send Maryland National Guard troops as requested by Rep. Steny Hoyer to the defense of Congress.  The Acting (and unconfirmed) Secretary of Defense declined to take the call from the Governor and never took any action.  In a later phone call with the Secretary of the Army Ryan D. McCarthy, the Secretary advised the Governor to go ahead and send the Maryland National Guard to the Capitol.  The Secretary of the Army had no authority to give such permission as Governor Hogan undoubtedly knew.

 

So, at no time did the Trump administration actually legitimately authorize the use of any National Guard troops to protect the Congress.

 

Wednesday was intended to be the American Reichstag Fire.

[J Town]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Or to prevent impeachment, and thereby keeping a Trump run in 2024 open?

Pence does NOT want to compete against 45 in 2024.