China sharpens language, warns Taiwan that independence 'means war'

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, tgw said:

 

Mao was a war criminal and guilty of very heavy crimes against humanity during his tenure.

Kudos to Taiwan for what they did achieve.

The US and the rest of the free world need to assert and enforce Taiwan's independence, and also protect the Hong Kong people from treaty breaches by [China].

I can see that the bitter and sad history of China attempt at unification is not your strong suit. I suggest you start with the Qin dynasty and work yourself to Mao's unification. Status quo has served Taiwan well for last 70 years. Don't need US or the rest of the free world to made things worse with no intention of intervening. 

[NanLaew]

4 hours ago, PatOngo said:

6 hours ago, webfact said:

"We warn those 'Taiwan independence' elements: those who play with fire will burn themselves, and 'Taiwan independence' means war," he added.

You've been bleating the same bull for 79 years, since 1949, you know you'll get your butt kicked if you try!

 

Who's going to kick their butt?

[ExpatOilWorker]

Taiwan should pick up the phone and give Kim a call. At the right price he might sell them some powerful fireworks and missile technology that could reach Beijing. 

Peace of our time!

[RichardColeman]

If I was a cynical person I might say that the Chinese are taking advantage and really pushing the boundaries in this pandemic. 

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, tgw said:

Mao was a war criminal and guilty of very heavy crimes against humanity during his tenure.

 

To the people that really matter here, he's a hero.

 

1 hour ago, tgw said:

Kudos to Taiwan for what they did achieve.

 

Yes, congratulations on letting yourself become nothing more the biggest domino on the table.

 

1 hour ago, tgw said:

The US and the rest of the free world need to assert and enforce Taiwan's independence, ...

 

With regard to Taiwanese legitimacy, around 92.3% of the free world have been quietly sitting on their hands since around 1949. So why get so excited now?

 

1 hour ago, tgw said:

and also protect the Hong Kong people from treaty breaches by [China].

 

AFAIK, that horse bolted the stable before 1 July 1997.

[onthedarkside]

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[tgw]

42 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

I can see that the bitter and sad history of China attempt at unification is not your strong suit. I suggest you start with the Qin dynasty and work yourself to Mao's unification. Status quo has served Taiwan well for last 70 years. Don't need US or the rest of the free world to made things worse with no intention of intervening. 

 

"unification" carries no positive connotation.

"China attempt at unification" you make it sound like the millions of farmers were dreaming about uniting China while trying to scrape together enough food to live another day.

Justifying Mao's crimes with what long dead dictators did, well done.

Here, a good educational read for you: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/

 

 

[zhounan]

"While China has never renounced the use of force to bring Taiwan under its control, it is unusual for Beijing to make such overt, verbal threats of conflict."

 

Who said that. Global Times and the 人民日报 are constantly using sharpens language.

[Trentham]

3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

it will remain status qou as all Presidents agreed to the One-China policy initiated by Nixon. Even Trump in his 2017 phone call with Xi agreed to the One-China policy. This has big implications to how US will handle the Taiwan issue and the defense agreement with Taiwan.  

Who gives a fig for what Trump agreed to. Probably allowed to make a golf course in China if he sided with XI.

[JimHuaHin]

5 hours ago, smedly said:

Let the Taiwan people decide - simple 

They have!!!  In the last two free elections (something that China does not have) on Taiwan, the pro-independence anti-PRC party won.

[PatOngo]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

 

Who's going to kick their butt?

One would hope the USA...and a coilition of the willing!

[teacherclaire]

6 hours ago, spiekerjozef said:

Banana superpower republic.

And many won't see the bananas because there are too many Chiquita's around. 

[Trentham]

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

If I was a cynical person I might say that the Chinese are taking advantage and really pushing the boundaries in this pandemic. 

I just wonder if Chine would really go to war over this issue. Chine has become great and powerful due to its trade with the world. They would immediately lose that trade if they became involved in a war with the USA.

[Trentham]

3 minutes ago, Trentham said:

I just wonder if Chine would really go to war over this issue. Chine has become great and powerful due to its trade with the world. They would immediately lose that trade if they became involved in a war with the USA.

I mean China. Sorry I am too old to use a keyboard.

[Rimmer]

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China sharpens language, warns Taiwan that independence 'means war'

[Martin71]

More countries need to officially recognise Taiwan as an independent nation.... hopefully to get China to wind its neck in..

[from the home of CC]

8 hours ago, WineOh said:

 

One can only hope that this one day comes to pass.

 

Let's set the record straight now.. Is Taiwan officially a part of China or not?

If not then surely any attempt to capture it by the Chinese is an act of war in and of itself, and the international community is obliged to take Taiwan's side in any potential conflict that may ensue? ????

pure suicide by any nation stupid enough to try..

[from the home of CC]

7 hours ago, teacherclaire said:

Taiwan, claimed by China as its own territory, reported multiple Chinese fighter jets and bombers entering its southwestern air defence identification zone last weekend, prompting Washington to urge Beijing to stop pressuring Taiwan.

 

I don't think that the times of "stop that, or we'll jump in" from Washington has any influence anymore.

 

  IMO, the US has lost its credibility of being THE Superpower. Trump played a big part in that game. 

 

imo no nation will risk nuclear war over Taiwan. I also believe no nation really has the cojones to try especially considering they're having a hard enough time just trying to keep ahead of a disease. Can you imagine the outcry if countries time, money and efforts were diverted from fighting this health emergency to fighting for an island off the coast of China? Folks would be stringing up politicians on the lampposts..

[tomyami]

China wont stop at taiwan as shown in India it does not respect boundries confrontation is inevitable

[AgMech Cowboy]

9 hours ago, Salerno said:

Perhaps time for a multinational fleet to do a prolonged freedom of navigation mission in the South China Sea.

Couldn't agree more. Will the new government of the US stand up for Taiwan?  The CCP is pushing the button(s) to find out.

[AgMech Cowboy]

51 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

Can you imagine the outcry if countries time, money and efforts were diverted from fighting this health emergency to fighting for an island off the coast of China?

Never let the last crisis divert from the next. This might be the best way to get the MSM off the COVID train.

[pedro01]

There's a new president - I would presume this saber rattling is to feel him out more than anything.

[chilli42]

9 hours ago, PatOngo said:

You've been bleating the same bull for 79 years, since 1949, you know you'll get your butt kicked if you try!

 

 

 

 

It’s a very big ocean between the USA and Taiwan and a very short distance between Taiwan and China.

[Isaan sailor]

I had hoped the election of Joe Biden would soften relations between the countries--and I still hope it will.  But now after one week with Biden in office, we see China flexing her muscles.  Chinese expansionism must be blunted.  One way to slow them--boycott Chinese products--not easy I know.  But we can all cut back drastically.

Interestingly, the Thai Baht has again followed the Chinese Yuan upward, while the USD, Euro and Pound have languished again.

[Eric Loh]

2 hours ago, Martin71 said:

More countries need to officially recognise Taiwan as an independent nation.... hopefully to get China to wind its neck in..

Probably waiting for UN's cue to recognize Taiwan and stop calling the country "Chinese Taipei". 

[PatOngo]

1 minute ago, chilli42 said:

It’s a very big ocean between the USA and Taiwan and a very short distance between Taiwan and China.

Okinawa is in close range! The USA has rebuilt their Pacific Fleet since Pearl Harbour you know!

[from the home of CC]

1 hour ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

Never let the last crisis divert from the next. This might be the best way to get the MSM off the COVID train.

getting tough to do at 100k a month dead..

[FNQ]

11 hours ago, Salerno said:

You could be forgiven to think they're looking for a fight. Certainly pushing to see where the boundaries lay.

 

Perhaps time for a multinational fleet to do a prolonged freedom of navigation mission in the South China Sea.

 

Totally agree.

A multi national Amada

on a good will visit to Taiwan will sort it one way or another.

[mrfill]

9 hours ago, Tug said:

A strong show of force by NATO would be appropriate imo call them at their game 

Assuming their game is being terrible at geography.

 

NATO is the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation and unless Taiwan plans on moving soon, is rather a long way off the North Atlantic.

[mfd101]

It's not a matter of nuclear war but of a conventional clash between Chinese & US forces if it comes to the point. The difficulty is that US projection capabilities (over LONG distances) are not what they once were, and Chinese capabilities (over SHORT distances) are hugely improved and probably overwhelming even for the Americans.

 

The only thing that will stop the Chinese now (and it could be any day) is a US flotilla of heavy planes flying in to Taiwan over several weeks laden with missiles and high-tech capabilities of all kinds for the Taiwanese military, combined with large numbers of US military trainers to train the Taiwanese. If the Americans could also keep a large offensive maritime force with aircraft carriers at the ready in the region (ie east of Taiwan), then all will go quiet. But how long can the US maintain a fleet like that in the region (noting that they're in the process of splitting the 7th Fleet in 2, but that's a multi-year task for ships & basing)? And how much grit - and resources - is available in Washington?

 

In the long run, if the Chinese are really really determined - whatever it takes - they'll probably get what they want.