Lights out: Brexit shuts off market for English cheese truckles

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not sure if you twigged it yet, but the news reports opened as topics for discussion here on TVF are selected from a wide range of news reports by the forum’s administration, they are not the entirety of news reports nor indeed the entirety of news reports from Reuters.

 

I suspect the answer to your whataboutary questions could be determined by reading wider news sources, they are certainly not questions for which I owe you an answer.

Your reply has more holes than a 50 year old piece of Swiss cheese.????????????

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

No it wasn't dismissed by anyone, nobody knew about the new regulation paperwork, we just knew we were free to run our own country. Stop making up stories.... 

Nations outside of the EU trading with the EU knew.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

A hurdle predicted by ‘Remainers’ and branded as ‘Project Fear’ by ‘Brexiteers’.

 

AKA ‘I told you do’.

So it was only Remainers that thought the paperwork would change......????

Very funny, yet another daft remainer assumption....????

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

Your reply has more holes than a 50 year old piece of Swiss cheese.????????????

Which is selling across the EU without all that additional paperwork Brexiteers chose to ignore wolfs an inevitable outcome of leaving tge EU.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Which is selling across the EU without all that additional paperwork Brexiteers chose to ignore wolfs an inevitable outcome of leaving tge EU.

Sorry, I didn't mean to cheese you off.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, transam said:

So it was only Remainers that thought the paperwork would change......????

Very funny, yet another daft remainer assumption....????

I said no such thing.

 

Which kind of makes a mess of your conclusion.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, vogie said:

Sorry, I didn't mean to cheese you off.

Well nothing goes better with cheese than a good pickle, and Brexit has put UK cheese exporters in a very fine pickle.

[RR2020]

Wonder how long it took Reuters to search out someone for this article.

 

If I want, I could find and interview someone very disappointed that Biden was elected and saying they are thinking of killing themselves.

 

This is all part of Psych-Ops..........otherwise known as "Propaganda" or "Media Manipulation" - well used in China and North Korea and Singapore and many other countries..........reporting only what you want to report..........to suit your agenda.

 

How about all the massive investments in the UK in the past months creating tens of thousands of new jobs.............awwwwwww........Reuters not want to report that ?

 

[david555]

17 hours ago, ukrules said:

 

If they're not then they soon will be plus a lot more besides.

 

Two can play at this game.

 

Target all major imports from the EU to the UK and ramp up the paperwork requirements and certification.

 

Can you still buy French cheeses in the UK?

 

Is it a problem we both (U.K. & E.U. ) eat our own cheeses ...? ????

 

I can find more than my taste in those more than enough  French, Italian , Greek , Dutch Belgium ,Luxembourg and German cheeses ...... more even in the  27 all  together .....

Edited February 3, 2021 by david555

[Chomper Higgot]

23 minutes ago, RR2020 said:

Wonder how long it took Reuters to search out someone for this article.

 

If I want, I could find and interview someone very disappointed that Biden was elected and saying they are thinking of killing themselves.

 

This is all part of Psych-Ops..........otherwise known as "Propaganda" or "Media Manipulation" - well used in China and North Korea and Singapore and many other countries..........reporting only what you want to report..........to suit your agenda.

 

How about all the massive investments in the UK in the past months creating tens of thousands of new jobs.............awwwwwww........Reuters not want to report that ?

 

More blaming the news bringer and incidentally factually incorrect.

 

Reuters publish the news as it is, you’ll perhaps not have a problem with the following:

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-unemployment-idUKKCN1Q80Y0

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, transam said:

Plus, never a word about that from the EU lovey's here either, just digging for UK negativity. Mind you, their numbers are dwindling on here, think they all went to Portugal....????

Anyone had a postcard from the man-o'-war, Bomber....? ????

Is referring to people who disagree with you on Brexit as ‘EU luvey’s’ Helping with the paperwork or is it just a snide dig in the absence of a reasoned argument?

[vogie]

5 minutes ago, david555 said:

Is it a problem we both (U.K. & E.U. ) eat our own cheeses ...? ????

 

I can find more than my taste in those more than enough  French, Italian , Greek , Dutch Belgium ,Luxembourg and German cheeses ...... more even in the  27 all  together .....

The very best advice I ever got was 'never trust a country that puts a 'C' on it hot water taps.

[david555]

9 minutes ago, vogie said:

The very best advice I ever got was 'never trust a country that puts a 'C' on it hot water taps.

i guess you are referring the C instead to  W for "warm"  in Spain ...? 

 

Edited February 3, 2021 by david555

[edwinchester]

51 minutes ago, transam said:

No it wasn't dismissed by anyone, nobody knew about the new regulation paperwork, we just knew we were free to run our own country. Stop making up stories.... 

If you didn't know about the extra paperwork involved from being outside the EU then you were being willfully ignorant of some of the implications of Brexit.

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, transam said:

No it wasn't dismissed by anyone, nobody knew about the new regulation paperwork, 

You didn't know, loads of other did.

[Andy from Kent]

19 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Spurrell can no longer sell cheese gift boxes worth around 25 pounds to the EU through his online shop because each consignment needs to be accompanied by a health certificate signed off by a vet that costs 180 pounds per consignment, regardless of size.

 

 

Can't they just hire a vet to be on the company payroll?

 

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, transam said:

No it wasn't dismissed by anyone, nobody knew about the new regulation paperwork, we just knew we were free to run our own country. Stop making up stories.... 

So you thought exporting to a country without a free trade agreement wouldn't require paperwork.

Why doesn't this surprise me.

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

So you thought exporting to a country without a free trade agreement wouldn't require paperwork.

Why doesn't this surprise me.

So called freedom is not what it seems. 

[transam]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

So you thought exporting to a country without a free trade agreement wouldn't require paperwork.

Why doesn't this surprise me.

Yet another remainer twist.....Nobody said that.....

 

Oh, and a reminder for you, the UK has left the EU...No U.S.of G. for us, just adapting to paperwork ...????....

[candide]

1 hour ago, transam said:

No it wasn't dismissed by anyone, nobody knew about the new regulation paperwork, we just knew we were free to run our own country. Stop making up stories.... 

Same paperwork UK administration was requiring for imports from outside EU until 31 December 2020.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, rupert the bear said:

i hope u r correct that would seem the most intelligent way to solve these issues,unfortunately we see little sense in a crazy bureaocracy .look at the vaccine lunacy ,that could have killed people,they had to back off but this is a brussels small fry deal and they will not have their power rescinded on this,the only way is to stop incoming cheese from holland france etc and then itll stop when the dutch and french farmers complain about UK idiocy.it will have to come from within,that part of the structures changed.stopping truckers sandwiches wow ........stand by for more petty lunacy.is your hat the right colour? !UK is treated as a 3rd country and a competitor.....hence

 

Hence first ham wars...now cheese wars...I think the UK will win the cheese one.

[david555]

17 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Hence first ham wars...now cheese wars...I think the UK will win the cheese one.

It is a requirment for third country's....nothing to do with trade wars .....only U.K. call it so ....yeah ! It was so  easy before ,  walk in and out E.U. as your own garden ...

 

45 years is a long habit creating ...but it will get common , just give it a bit patience ????

[sandyf]

20 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

So whose rules say that each consignment of his cheese needs a £180 vet's certificate?

 

The UK or the EU?

 

Who would have thought it.

 

Mr Spurrell thinks that the lack of an exemption from costly certificates for direct consumer sales was an oversight in Boris Johnson’s Brexit trade agreement, as negotiators rushed to seal the deal at the end of 2020.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-cheese-uk-eu-barrels-b1796321.html

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Yet another remainer twist.....Nobody said that.....

Yes you did.

I said the old regulations would would come back to haunt, you used the stock answer of Project Fear.

Of course now it is selective memory.

[Surelynot]

6 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Who would have thought it.

 

Mr Spurrell thinks that the lack of an exemption from costly certificates for direct consumer sales was an oversight in Boris Johnson’s Brexit trade agreement, as negotiators rushed to seal the deal at the end of 2020.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-cheese-uk-eu-barrels-b1796321.html

Who cares about such trifling little details....not BJ.

[Proboscis]

21 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

So whose rules say that each consignment of his cheese needs a £180 vet's certificate?

 

The UK or the EU?

 

The agreement that the UK made with the EU.

 

What this and other conditionality in the agreement mean is that only large consignments of the same stuff (uniform consignments) can be practically sent. So you can send a container of cheeses to one customer but not one cheese to 1,000 customers, as before.

 

The outcome is that only large producers will be able to export. All those specialised companies or small companies, such as those manufacturing specialised engineering parts, will have a lot of trouble and cost.

[Mike Galley]

That's just a small example : trade-wise UK starts feeling the Brexit-pain already and it will effect UK economy worse day by day. As this article shows: the first ones have started to realise the benefits of being EU member . Just give the British some more time until even the last one will understand.

[puipuitom]

22 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

So whose rules say that each consignment of his cheese needs a £180 vet's certificate?

 

The UK or the EU?

As everybody in the entire world in business knows, already for decades: all dairy, so inclusive cheese, all meat, all fish, all eggs, coming from "third countries" need a veterinary check by the EU. Whether you have a 30 tons shipment or a 30 gram shipment ( in a sandwich). Why so many British manufacturers, after 47 years EU membership, and 4 1/2 years after the Brexit referendum still do not know ?  So, simple solution, as every tradesman do: send a full truck to a warehouse inside the EU and organize the distribution inside the EU from that EU warehouse. Why Boris and his genious did not include that in his EU treaty ?

Edited February 3, 2021 by puipuitom

[puipuitom]

21 hours ago, onebir said:

1) I hope European personal-use food exports to the UK are being subjected to the same ridiculous requirements.

2) Surely the vet could be put on retainer / bulk sign certs for all the cheeses from the same herd...

1) You think, the UK accepts any meat, fish, dairy from "third countries"without any veterinarian check into the UK ? They learnt theri lesson with the mouth & claw disease a decade ago

2) For me, in international food business since 1977, not to understand why not arranged that a year ago.

[puipuitom]

21 hours ago, ukrules said:

 

If they're not then they soon will be plus a lot more besides.

 

Two can play at this game.

 

Target all major imports from the EU to the UK and ramp up the paperwork requirements and certification.

 

Can you still buy French cheeses in the UK?

These EU regulations are for ALL "third country" origins, not only for British origin.

I presume French and other EU cheese + veterinary products simply go by full truck load to an UK warehouse. As every tradesperson would do.

Edited February 3, 2021 by puipuitom