16 minutes ago, vogie said:

The only side that triggered art 16 was the EU, Uvd Leyen has now set a precedence, did she not consult the other 27 nations before deciding on this act of aggression. We were led to believe that the EU was formed to keep peace and not to flick the aggro switch willy nilly, it is like putting Mr Bean Bean in charge of a nucleor bomb.

Oh you bloody liar ...????!!

this Boris said once already 2 weeks before the UVDL incident already in the HOC to support Arline Foster comment about N.I.  as she is sceaming to end the agreement scaring unification probably  , and repeated here already .... you must become desperate in this defense  i guess 

7 hours ago, kingdong said:

And i hope the uk holds its own on the vaccine issue and sells there surplus to the highest bidder.

If It's the same type of contract as with the EU, vaccines must be resold at the same price, not a higher price.

21 minutes ago, vogie said:

The only side that triggered art 16 was the EU, Uvd Leyen has now set a precedence, did she not consult the other 27 nations before deciding on this act of aggression. We were led to believe that the EU was formed to keep peace and not to flick the aggro switch willy nilly, it is like putting Mr Bean in charge of a nucleor bomb.

Nobody has triggered article 16 - both sides have threatened too  - the UK multiple times 

19 hours ago, vogie said:

In all fairness I think that Ursula von Leyens actions have just showed the lack of consideration for the people living in N & S of Ireland. The damage she has done is totally unrepairable knowing that she can just flick a switch and put peoples lives in danger. 

Do they really need an extension, I would suggest not, we cannot live under the threat of the EU using NI as a pawn when it suits them. She has angered both sides of the border now with her thoughtlessness.

 

But surely Boris wouldn't have signed off on a deal that would allow the EU to use N.I as a pawn?  Or would he... ????

23 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

But surely Boris wouldn't have signed off on a deal that would allow the EU to use N.I as a pawn?  Or would he... ????

Wudda, cudda, shudda, the fact remains that Ms Ursula von der Leyen did trigger art 16 to stop vaccines and anything else for that matter from passing goods through the borders of Ireland, and to add insult to injury, neither the respective governments in London, Belfast or Dublin were even informed about this, it only leaked out from the media. It has sparked anger from all and sundry and some people seem to want to laugh it off. I can only add it has set a precedence and now is the time to remove all barriers where ever they are located.

Ms v d Leyen has been useless at any job she has ever had, why would anyone think she would be any different at this job, she should be sent packing and only given as much time as it takes to play 'Ode to Joy' She has made Boris look like the great leader we all know he was.

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

She has made Boris look like the great leader we all know he was.

You do make me laugh at times...555

10 hours ago, kingdong said:

Blair sucked up to bush because clinton gave blair air support during the serbian war,when bush got in bush called the favour in and demanded support for the iraqui invasion where blair told a pack of lies about weapons of mass destruction,don,tthink boris is stupid enough to put hisself in that position.

Many in the UK feel that they're are the USA's biggest Aircraft Carrier.

21 hours ago, kingdong said:

Well we,re out of it thats for sure,it was obvious the eu were going to give the uk a load of kak for daring to leave their corrupt little club,why it might give other members ideas about peoples votes,especially bearing in mind their handling of the vaccine fiasco,still its always someone elses fault.

 

Some countries, such as Switzerland and the EFTA countries, have certain rights with the EU via various trade agreements; but no county has what you seem to think is our right. That is all the benefits of membership with none of the responsibilities.

 

I know you were told by Leave five and a half years ago that we would get that, that they needed us more than we needed them; but they were wrong.

21 hours ago, kingdong said:

Never mind chomper,it is what it is,short term pain for long term gain,the price of freedom has never been cheap.

 

So why do you keep whingeing because we don't have the benefits of membership any more?

 

 

18 hours ago, smedly said:

in terms of deals I think the UK is doing very well 

 

have you just wakened up after a long sleep for years 

 

If all is as well as you say, why has Gove asked for this extension?

 

Not to mention the export difficulties well documented on this forum and in the media because we're now being treated by the EU the same as other non members.

Just now, 7by7 said:

we're now being treated by the EU the same as other non members.

So unfair!

17 hours ago, smedly said:

The deal was reached with almost a trusted sort of gentleman's agreement and the first to abuse it and break that agreement  in a matter of weeks was who - and how do we get rid of her - well nobody elected her - but this numb nut has made a huge error 

 You seem to be forgetting that within weeks of the WA being signed, Johnson threatened to abandon the Northern Ireland protocol!

 

He even presented a bill to Parliament to give him the power.

 

But yes, von der Leyen made a huge blunder. A blunder quickly reversed by her EU masters.

15 hours ago, kingdong said:

Changed course because when it came to ordering the vaccine they cocked it up,then tried to bully and bluster the uk,when that didn,t work they bottled it,and " changed course ".

 

Wrong.

 

Imports into the UK of the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine from Belgium were never in danger.

 

I'm not excusing her, but what von der Leyen tried to do was stop extra vaccine being taken from EU counties to the UK via the RoI as the manufacturer was not meeting their commitment to the EU.

 

Neither, come to that, are UK company AstraZeneca with their Oxford vaccine.

 

As said, her actions were inexcusable; but there are always two sides to every story. Sometimes the EU are in the wrong, sometimes we are. 

 

Not that I expect many Brexiteers will accept that. Their knee jerk reaction has always been to ignore the facts and blame the EU for regardless!

12 hours ago, kingdong said:

Got no problem with anyone who wants to come to the uk to work and contribute to society,if however you want to ponce sling your hook,and now we,re out the freedom of movement will be able to enact this.

 

Then you have no problem with the 2.5 million or so  EU nationals living in the UK.

 

Nor the approximately 1.8 million UK nationals doing the same in the EU.

 

I know facts are anathema to the average Brexiteer, but read it if you dare; you'll find that the FoM directive has never allowed anyone to move to another EU member state in order to ponce.

19 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

You seem to be forgetting that within weeks of the WA being signed, Johnson threatened to abandon the Northern Ireland protocol!

and so what 

 

Barnier was making all sorts of threats BJ did the right thing 100%

11 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Alternatively, the UK does and did at is is was told.

 

And has done since 1942; if not earlier.

11 hours ago, kingdong said:

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The uk put in an order early while france dithered don,t know wording of contract but would assume it was legally binding,

 

It is extremely unlikely that any contract between the UK government and the vaccine suppliers forbids those suppliers from selling to anyone else.

 

If it did, then it would probably be illegal under both UK and EU law.

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

<snip>

I think the issue is that the EU has shown the world this week that it really doesn't care about the border in Ireland.

 

So what did Johnson show last year when he wanted to tear up his own Northern Irish protocol?

 

What are Johnson and Gove showing by their tit for tat threat to invoke Article 16?

6 hours ago, robertson468 said:

Remainer, make sure you don't mention how far ahead the UK is with it's vaccine programme and as for some saying the debackle over vaccine has no consequnces, ask the Prime Ministers of both North and Southern Ireland and Boris.  Von Der Thingummy very nearly lost her job before she did a very smart about face. Credit that she did take full responsibility for the outrageous decision.

 

I have discussed the UK vaccination program and unilateral decision to approve the German/Belgian vaccine in other topics.

 

I have not seen anyone anywhere say von der Leyen's stupid action has had no consequence. There have been, though, plenty of posts from Remainers, including myself, Brexiteers and neutrals condemning her for said action.

 

Brexiteer, explain why, if Brexit is going so well, Gove has had to go begging to the EU for an extension.

 

Something his boss said would never happen!

 

6 hours ago, Keesters said:

With aspirations of something more sinister.

Why does a trading block require an army? 

 

It doesn't.

 

There is no EU army and neither will there ever be one without the unanimous consent of all members.

22 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

And has done since 1942; if not earlier.

if you too are trying to get a rise out of me by posting stupid baiting nonsense like that then you're going to have to try a lot harder

 

The UK has left the EU get over it 

 

We are back to what the EU was when it all started - trade 

 

Who is next ?, I predicted many months ago that Germany and France would be next

 

Look up 2x speed EU and see what you get 

33 minutes ago, smedly said:

and so what 

 

Barnier was making all sorts of threats BJ did the right thing 100%

 

So it's ok by you for Johnson to renege on an international treaty because the other side won't kow tow in other, separate negotiations.

 

Not surprised; typical Brexiteer wanting the UK handed everything on a plate without having to give anything back in return.

 

After five and a half years, it's time you lot entered the real world!

6 minutes ago, smedly said:

if you too are trying to get a rise out of me by posting stupid baiting nonsense like that then you're going to have to try a lot harder

 

The UK has left the EU get over it 

 

We are back to what the EU was when it all started - trade 

 

Who is next ?, I predicted many months ago that Germany and France would be next

 

Look up 2x speed EU and see what you get 

 

Stupid, baiting nonsense? A reply to a post about the length of the UK/USA special relationship is in your mind "stupid baiting nonsense?"

 

Well, if that's the best you can do, maybe you should go away and learn some history!

 

Yes, we've left the EU; I know. But as the UK is a democracy I am still allowed to express my regrets at that decision and criticise the government's efforts since.

 

Any real, hard evidence that Germany and France will be leaving the EU; if so, when?

 

I looked up 2x speed EU and got lots of results on internet speeds and high speed trains in Europe; but how are they relevant?

27 minutes ago, smedly said:

if you too are trying to get a rise out of me by posting stupid baiting nonsense like that then you're going to have to try a lot harder

 

The UK has left the EU get over it 

 

We are back to what the EU was when it all started - trade 

 

Who is next ?, I predicted many months ago that Germany and France would be next

 

Look up 2x speed EU and see what you get 

I predict the UK will become a 3rd world nation... and I can just see the replies now -- what do you have to support it.... well none... I guess it makes my prediction worthless if not outright stupid...

 

Now if you had a forecast based on actual facts... then maybe it would not be the same as my 'prediction'. 

40 minutes ago, smedly said:

The UK has left the EU get over it 

Exactly......stop asking for extensions and for agreements to be ripped up.....

Dublin and EU reject call to scrap Northern Ireland Brexit protocol

Ireland’s foreign minister dismisses request by DUP in escalating row over trade barriers in Irish Sea

 

Dublin and EU reject call to scrap Northern Ireland Brexit protocol | Brexit | The Guardian

Lisa O'Carroll Brexit correspondent

@lisaocarroll

Thu 4 Feb 2021 10.59 GMT

 

 

The Brexit agreement’s Northern Ireland protocol will not be scrapped, the Irish government and the EU have said in an escalating row over the new trade barriers down the Irish Sea.

 

The Democratic Unionist party leader, Arlene Foster, has called for the measure designed to keep the Irish land border open to be replaced, but Dublin is focused on easing problems with the post-Brexit trade deal that have caused disruption at Irish ports.

 

The Irish foreign minister, Simon Coveney, told BBC Ulster “there is not going to be very dramatic change”, in the face of calls by the DUP for the protocol to be urgently axed.

“We want the protocol to function in a way that works for everyone, north and south, on the island of Ireland,” he said.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 

Wrong.

 

Imports into the UK of the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine from Belgium were never in danger.

 

I'm not excusing her, but what von der Leyen tried to do was stop extra vaccine being taken from EU counties to the UK via the RoI as the manufacturer was not meeting their commitment to the EU.

 

Neither, come to that, are UK company AstraZeneca with their Oxford vaccine.

 

As said, her actions were inexcusable; but there are always two sides to every story. Sometimes the EU are in the wrong, sometimes we are. 

 

Not that I expect many Brexiteers will accept that. Their knee jerk reaction has always been to ignore the facts and blame the EU for regardless!

Yeah theres always two sides to an argument,their commitment to the eu?ever heard of the argument first come first served?sometimes the eu are in the wrong,yeah and will only hold their hands up and admit when they,re caught out bang to rights.

52 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

So it's ok by you for Johnson to renege on an international treaty because the other side won't kow tow in other, separate negotiations.

 

Not surprised; typical Brexiteer wanting the UK handed everything on a plate without having to give anything back in return.

 

After five and a half years, it's time you lot entered the real world!

Eu good uk bad,eu good uk bad.

18 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Exactly......stop asking for extensions and for agreements to be ripped up.....

Right on and if your leaders can,t cut the mustard by achieving something as simple as ordering a consignment of drugs,vote them out,oh i forgot,the eu dosen,t believe in peoples elections.

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 

Then you have no problem with the 2.5 million or so  EU nationals living in the UK.

 

Nor the approximately 1.8 million UK nationals doing the same in the EU.

 

I know facts are anathema to the average Brexiteer, but read it if you dare; you'll find that the FoM directive has never allowed anyone to move to another EU member state in order to ponce.

Didn,t say i had a problem with the total 2.5 million eu citizens resident in the uk,just the ones on the ponce,i made that clear in my post,twisting again.