Exclusive: U.S. mulls using law designed to prosecute Mafia against Capitol rioters

[mtraveler]

8 minutes ago, tgw said:

 

we can still have the opinion that these laws aren't the best.

in a country with a proper justice system (and no, I don't count the US among them) a causality link has to be demonstrated.

 

You’re welcome to whatever opinion you’d like to have.  But when you live in a country, you are subject to the laws of that country. And ignorance of the law is no excuse. 
 

Mobs create their own mania, so if you’re part of that mob scene, you’re also  part of the results emanating from that mania. 

[pacovl46]

I don’t think that will fly! 

[lungbing]

The sheer hatred of anybody with a different point of view not only astounds me, it frightens me.  Is this really the Democrat's mentality?  One short post said use a .45.  So that's OK is it?

Anybody remember a left-wing comedienne holding up a mockup of Trump's severed head?  Incitement to murder?

 

But you carry on like this and next time when the Republican's get in there will be such a reckoning.

 

And by the way I'm English so have no Dem or Rep affiliation.

[Knocker33]

So what have the Antifa and BLM terrorists been charged with for taking over Seattle's  capital hill ?

[Phoenix Rising]

5 minutes ago, lungbing said:

The sheer hatred of anybody with a different point of view not only astounds me, it frightens me.  Is this really the Democrat's mentality?  One short post said use a .45.  So that's OK is it?

Anybody remember a left-wing comedienne holding up a mockup of Trump's severed head?  Incitement to murder?

 

But you carry on like this and next time when the Republican's get in there will be such a reckoning.

The loony right stage a murderous invasion of the Capitol intent on killing leading Dems and it's the Dems that are in for a reckoning?? 

OK then.....right...that makes sense......

[ExpatOK]

13 minutes ago, lungbing said:

The sheer hatred of anybody with a different point of view not only astounds me, it frightens me.  Is this really the Democrat's mentality?  One short post said use a .45.  So that's OK is it?

Anybody remember a left-wing comedienne holding up a mockup of Trump's severed head?  Incitement to murder?

 

But you carry on like this and next time when the Republican's get in there will be such a reckoning.

 

And by the way I'm English so have no Dem or Rep affiliation.

You are exactly right. And this is all about sheer hatred of anybody with a different point of view. That's the entire thing.

 

Yes, one post said use a .45 and the Trump haters are just fine with that. Not one of them has challenged that.

 

It's a mob mentality that has gotten out of control.

Edited February 4, 2021 by ExpatOK

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1 hour ago, tgw said:

 

agreed!

so who told them to come equipped like that?

A better question would be who didn't tell them to come like that. On the tweets that Trump launched there were all kinds of violent threats made. Trump did nothing to discourage those threats. Not one tweet told those people that they were crossing a line.

[ExpatOK]

5 minutes ago, Knocker33 said:

So what have the Antifa and BLM terrorists been charged with for taking over Seattle's  capital hill ?

Not much of anything. It's a double standard to say the least.

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, ExpatOK said:

Not much of anything. It's a double standard to say the least.

No where near the same...get a grip.

 

A President telling lies, orchestrating a violent mob to override democracy.......

[J Town]

9 minutes ago, lungbing said:

The sheer hatred of anybody with a different point of view not only astounds me, it frightens me.  Is this really the Democrat's mentality?  One short post said use a .45.  So that's OK is it?

Anybody remember a left-wing comedienne holding up a mockup of Trump's severed head?  Incitement to murder?

 

But you carry on like this and next time when the Republican's get in there will be such a reckoning.

 

And by the way I'm English so have no Dem or Rep affiliation.

What are you getting on about? No one has posted anything about hatred other than you. We go back and forth, Dem's using facts, 45 supporters using Deflect, Ignore, Lie, Deny, Obfuscate process, but no one dripping with vitriol. Posting such gets you an involuntary time out.

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4 minutes ago, J Town said:

What are you getting on about? No one has posted anything about hatred other than you. We go back and forth, Dem's using facts, 45 supporters using Deflect, Ignore, Lie, Deny, Obfuscate process, but no one dripping with vitriol. Posting such gets you an involuntary time out.

It's a standard deflection. When the facts are against them, they go to motivation instead. That's the great thing about alleging motivation, there's no way it can be disproved. 

And it's so bizarre to see Trump supporters condemning others for hatefulness when Trump spouted hateful utterances and tweets on a daily basis.. on a nearly (perhaps literally?) daily basis.

Edited February 4, 2021 by placeholder

[J Town]

12 minutes ago, Knocker33 said:

So what have the Antifa and BLM terrorists been charged with for taking over Seattle's  capital hill ?

Stop watching Fox/Newsmax/OAN.

 

There is NO such thing as Antifa, it's an ideology. Tell me, who is the CEO of Antifa?

 

BLM protestors are protected by the constitution. Terrorists are opportunists who cling onto groups like this to cover their crimes.

 

Stop watching Fox/Newsmax/OAN. They're not your friends.

[J Town]

11 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

Not much of anything. It's a double standard to say the least.

I repeat:
 

Stop watching Fox/Newsmax/OAN.

 

There is NO such thing as Antifa, it's an ideology. Tell me, who is the CEO of Antifa?

 

BLM protestors are protected by the constitution. Terrorists are opportunists who cling onto groups like this to cover their crimes.

 

Stop watching Fox/Newsmax/OAN. They're not your friends.

[DrDave]

26 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

Not much of anything. It's a double standard to say the least.

Correct. It seems that Kamala Harris got a free pass for her statement condoning the "unrest in the streets" (aka riots) over the summer.

[J Town]

2 minutes ago, DrDave said:

Correct. It seems that Kamala Harris got a free pass for her statement condoning the "unrest in the streets" (aka riots) over the summer.

Stop watching Fox/Newsmax/OAN. They're not your friends.

 

These words were flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed.

 

PolitiFact | Quotes by 4 Democrats twisted to make it look like they endorsed riots

 

 

[Surelynot]

3 minutes ago, DrDave said:

Correct. It seems that Kamala Harris got a free pass for her statement condoning the "unrest in the streets" (aka riots) over the summer.

She supported the 'fight' for change and the legal right to protest.........not the same as Trump and his mob trying to overturn a valid election result.

[candide]

39 minutes ago, Knocker33 said:

So what have the Antifa and BLM terrorists been charged with for taking over Seattle's  capital hill ?

1) It's a false equivalency, as usual

2) Trump and the GOP tried this option, I.e. Wolf, Cruz, called for it. The issue is that RICO applies to organized crime and Antifa is not an organisation (on top of the false equivalency you made). 

Edited February 4, 2021 by candide

[J Town]

Just now, Surelynot said:

3 minutes ago, DrDave said:

Correct. It seems that Kamala Harris got a free pass for her statement condoning the "unrest in the streets" (aka riots) over the summer.

She supported the 'fight' for change and the legal right to protest.........not the same as Trump and his mob trying to overturn a valid election result.

Her words were taken out of context. Facebook flagged them as a false or misleading statement,

 

PolitiFact | Quotes by 4 Democrats twisted to make it look like they endorsed riots

[amexpat]

2 hours ago, Sujo said:

Trump was an organizer inviting them for a wild time.

 

I dont care what laws they use, just lock them up. Guantanamo will do.

I think is does matter what the charges are.  The heaviest provable charges should be prosecuted even if lighter charges like trespassing carry the same sentence. 

 

Future court decisions may rely on precedents. 

 

I claim no expertise in anything.

Edited February 4, 2021 by amexpat
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[Jingthing]

14 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I would have thought being part of an insurrection and  conspiracy to murder senators should be enough to lock them all up for many many years - obviously including their ... leader.

It would be enough if the law supported it. The problem is that the U.S. legal code is very strong on foreign enemy based terrorism, but very weak on domestic terrorism. That needs to be changed ASAP but for now anything legally possible that can put these domestic terrorist insurrectionists away for the duration will be both the right thing to do and have majority support from the American people. Of course people just walked in doors after that was possible aren't going to get 20 years. But there are plenty that they can prove did much worse.

[impulse]

The closest historical/political analog I can think of is the Reichstag burning down.

 

We all know what's coming next...

 

[Caldera]

Why use a mafia law when domestic terrorism is a much better fit?

 

Anyway, if Trump goes down as Don Donald or as the Traitor President ultimately doesn't matter to me, as long as he gets locked up for his crimes.

 

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, Caldera said:

Why use a mafia law when domestic terrorism is a much better fit?

 

Anyway, if Trump goes down as Don Donald or as the Traitor President ultimately doesn't matter to me, as long as he gets locked up for his crimes.

 

As I said before there isn't a law called domestic terrorism. 

[DrDave]

2 hours ago, J Town said:

Her words were taken out of context. Facebook flagged them as a false or misleading statement,

 

PolitiFact | Quotes by 4 Democrats twisted to make it look like they endorsed riots

 

It wasn't a quote I saw, it was the entire interview video (and it wasn't on any of the media mentioned above). Her exact statement in that interview was "There is unrest in the streets - as there should be". Not surprising at all that this independent interview was not aired by any mainstream news media.

 

I understand the difference between the legal right to protest and rioting. In my area (and I suspect many others as well), there was no peaceful protesting. Every single instance of protesting (e.g. "unrest in the streets") involved burning, looting and threats of violence toward anyone trying to protect their business. So, when someone condones "what's happening", and the audience sees that "what's happening" in their neighborhood is nothing but violent behavior, it's not much of a stretch to assume that person condones that type of behavior.

[ExpatOK]

58 minutes ago, Caldera said:

Why use a mafia law when domestic terrorism is a much better fit?

 

Anyway, if Trump goes down as Don Donald or as the Traitor President ultimately doesn't matter to me, as long as he gets locked up for his crimes.

 

For President Trump to be "locked up," he would have to be convicted of a crime and then sentenced.  There is nothing to indicate those two things will happen.

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10 minutes ago, DrDave said:

 

It wasn't a quote I saw, it was the entire interview video (and it wasn't on any of the media mentioned above). Her exact statement in that interview was "There is unrest in the streets - as there should be". Not surprising at all that this independent interview was not aired by any mainstream news media.

 

I understand the difference between the legal right to protest and rioting. In my area (and I suspect many others as well), there was no peaceful protesting. Every single instance of protesting (e.g. "unrest in the streets") involved burning, looting and threats of violence toward anyone trying to protect their business. So, when someone condones "what's happening", and the audience sees that "what's happening" in their neighborhood is nothing but violent behavior, it's not much of a stretch to assume that person condones that type of behavior.

And you're expecting us to take your word for your characterization? Whatever happened to those things called links? I miss those days.

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1 minute ago, ExpatOK said:

For President Trump to be "locked up," he would have to be convicted of a crime and then sentenced.  There is nothing to indicate those two things will happen.

So you are utterly unfamiliar with the investigations under way in NY State?

[Caldera]

15 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

For President Trump to be "locked up," he would have to be convicted of a crime and then sentenced.  There is nothing to indicate those two things will happen.

 

We'll see in due time.

 

[Proboscis]

I think that people do not realise the impact of RICO laws. It means that suspects can be tried for conspiracy to commit a crime even though a) the crime never actually got committed for whatever reason or b) a suspect was not at the scene of the crime but was involved in the conspiracy.

 

So, if they find anyone who was involved in planning the insurrection, or planning or enabling to kill or detain (kidnap) any of the law makers, thats conspiracy right there. And that attracts long jail sentences.

 

What that means is that the FBI and other law enforcement agencies can use the anticipation of the long jail sentences to leverage more information from existing suspects and gain more suspects. So if any of the lawmakers themselves or anyone in the White House was doing any coordination behind the scenes, this is how law enforcement will nail them.

[joecoolfrog]

6 hours ago, lungbing said:

The sheer hatred of anybody with a different point of view not only astounds me, it frightens me.  Is this really the Democrat's mentality?  One short post said use a .45.  So that's OK is it?

Anybody remember a left-wing comedienne holding up a mockup of Trump's severed head?  Incitement to murder?

 

But you carry on like this and next time when the Republican's get in there will be such a reckoning.

 

And by the way I'm English so have no Dem or Rep affiliation.

I am also English and a nominal conservative but there is not a shred of doubt that Trump was responsible for hugely ratcheting up the levels of hatred and division within the USA.

The man had not a shred of morality or consideration for the consequencies of his actions , he simply acted in a way he considered opportune to himself.

There isn't even a slight chance of history recognising him as anything other than by far the worst POTUS in living memory.