China will 'eat our lunch,' Biden warns after clashing with Xi on most fronts

[ThaiFelix]

8 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

 

Intelligent? Try brutal and domineering. 

 

 

“The incident at Premier indicates the growing tension between Zimbabwean citizens and Chinese nationals who are viewed as operating above the law and with impunity. The same Chinese mining company, Zhong Jian, was last November at the centre of controversy when it reportedly used an excavator to fill a mine shaft where scores of artisanal miners where working under. Only two bodies were recovered and the search was abandoned after the company’s general manager Yancey Feng said he wanted evidence there were 10 people missing from the nearby community."

 

 https://www.newzimbabwe.com/chinese-nationals-severely-injured-fighting-artisanal-miners/

Are you really trying to compare one small incident by a Chinese company to the slaughter dished out by the US in scores of countries around the world just in recent history??

[Caldera]

If they will eat our lunch and we know this, why don't we poison it before they have their first bite? Bon appetit and a very happy Chinese New Year!

 

[Eric Loh]

I think Biden's policy is a page taken from Nixon's approach to play the China card against Russia and North Korea while adapting the policy to confront the current economic reality of a rising economic powerhouse. He has a foreign policy strategy and polar opposite from previous adminstration knee-jerk 'cold-war' policy that pushed for disengagement and non peaceful trade competition. Pompeo has been at the forefront pushing his confrontational rhetoric by consistently calling China an 'evil empire'. There really no room for amicable dialogue between both superpowers. It only result in no gains on the economic levels and no gains on the foreign policy levels. Biden's foreign policy strategy is sound and is the right approach. A wake-up call to the people to confront China on the trade fronts and gain open dialogue with China to contain Russia and North Korea. 

[NanLaew]

32 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said:

And I dont understand your argument when you compare Indian border skirmishes with carpet bombing by the US.......there is quite a difference you know.

 

Yes, the US stopped bombing Vietnam on October 31, 1968 whereas the Chinese have just disengaged with the Indians in Sikkim.

 

https://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/operation-rolling-thunder

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/10/china-india-border-troops-begin-disengagement-chinese-ministry

Edited February 12, 2021 by NanLaew

[ThaiFelix]

14 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

Yes, the US stopped bombing Vietnam on October 31, 1968 whereas the Chinese have just disengaged with the Indians in Sikkim.

 

https://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/operation-rolling-thunder

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/10/china-india-border-troops-begin-disengagement-chinese-ministry

You are purposely avoiding the point.  Let me simplify it for you with another question:

 

How many Indians were killed by the Chinese on the border compared to Vietnamese killed by the US in the Vietnam war?  You know straight away without even looking it up that far far more were slaughtered by the US in a war that was far away and had nothing to do with them.  And then we can also look at Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc etc etc etc!

[ThaiFelix]

1 minute ago, wilscoop said:

Let's talk about now not history unless you want Tiananmen Jun 4 1989 in the frame. Let's talk current Chinese genocide in Hong Kong, Tibet, Xinjiang, Mongolia, as the CCP rip the organs from Falun Gong and stuff them in the bodies of flabby party officials.

Again!  Small numbers compared to Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, should I go on because the list is quite extensive.

 

Genocide in Hong Kong??  You been listening to Trump/Pompeo (or should I say believing lol)?

[Roadman]

7 hours ago, donnacha said:

Yes, I know. Hardly any of the American Politics experts on this forum are.

 

Understandable....as some of us would know more about American history and politics than the average American. 

[John Drake]

1 hour ago, ThaiFelix said:

Are you really trying to compare one small incident by a Chinese company to the slaughter dished out by the US in scores of countries around the world just in recent history??

 

Are you really trying to compare the US to China, whose current leadership endorses a former Paramount Leader whose Great Leap Forward killed 50 million people? And what sort of person are you to put a laughing emoticon next to a citation of a Chinese company burying Zimbabweans alive?

Edited February 12, 2021 by John Drake

[Phoenix Rising]

16 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said:

Again!  Small numbers compared to Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, should I go on because the list is quite extensive.

 

Genocide in Hong Kong??  You been listening to Trump/Pompeo (or should I say believing lol)?

The ongoing genocide of Tibetans and Uighurs not relevant to you. The concentration camps, mas rapes? No important, is it?

[Salerno]

Every time there's a thread with the least bit of criticism of China it's not long before I'm whisked back to 2003 and I'm In da Club again.

[natway09]

"He wants to reign in China:

Be very careful, there is a big sting in the tail.

Best to join them like Apple maybe ?

[Orton Rd]

5 hours ago, animalmagic said:

If Biden is so bad but over half the electorate chose him over 45, what does that say about Trump?

That he was lied about and crucified by the main stream media for 4 years in a relentless propaganda war?

[Jeffr2]

8 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

That he was lied about and crucified by the main stream media for 4 years in a relentless propaganda war?

Crucified for good reasons. Too bad that you don't understand this.

[BangkokReady]

Now watch Biden continue the same actions as Trump because he saw how successful they were, while all his supporters claim that Trump didn't do anything or only did bad things which Biden now has to undo.

[BangkokReady]

36 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Crucified for good reasons.

 

Such as?

[sead]

9 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

And China one word - dishonest

You seriously don't wanna go there. Or should we? 

[gamb00ler]

5 hours ago, WineOh said:

One day the inevitable show down MUST happen.

It absolutely must.

 

These two superpowers cannot coexist peacefully on the same planet.

There needs to be a decider at some point.

My money would be on the west eventually claiming victory but it will be one hell of a battle.

 

It is not a question of if it will happen, it is a question of when & who will fire first.

We've managed to scrape by the last 81 years without having started a direct battle between superpowers.

 

I think the preferred methods are now passive aggressive and coalition building.  I don't think that will change much in the current administration.

Edited February 12, 2021 by gamb00ler

[BKKBike09]

3 hours ago, ThaiFelix said:

Vietnam was originally part of China and called Nam Viet.

 

And I dont understand your argument when you compare Indian border skirmishes with carpet bombing by the US.......there is quite a difference you know.

 

Since my post was edited by the mods (not entirely sure why), your quote of my post doesn't make much sense. Not your fault, of course.

 

However, I made no comparison of Indian border skirmishes with carpet bombing by the US, or any other action. I did not mention Indian border skirmishes. I actually asked Natai Beach whether he considered India and Vietnam to be territories over which China had a claim, based on comments in a post of his which I quoted in my post.

 

I find your comment that Vietnam was originally part of China quite amusing. Yes, it was, until the 10th Century. Then the Chinese were booted out and Nam Viet (let's call it by its Chinese name of Nan Yue) became the independent precursor to modern Vietnam.

 

[Proboscis]

10 hours ago, donnacha said:

Biden was an astonishingly bad choice of candidate, in a year when Covid all but guaranteed a Democrat win. You could have had Tulsi Gabbard. You could have had Andrew Yang. God help you, you could probably even have managed to get Bernie into office.

But, no. You picked Joe Biden. Well done. Well done everyone.

 

Well, they almost picked Donald Trump! There was not much more than 30,000 votes in it in the right places!

 

But lets call it the way we see it. At least Biden is consistent and has a complete team. I would agree that the Chinese will have our lunch but I think they will go much further - they will somehow shift the blame on us and use our social media and other means (something they don't allow their own citizens at home, of course) to undermine and divide us.

 

If it were merely a matter of economic competition, that would be fine. But this is a kind of cold war by other means (disinformation, psychops, stealing IP etc). I would hope that Biden's team are on top of this and awake to the fact that the Russians are in deep with the Chinese. The doors were left open for the past four years.

[BangkokReady]

59 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

What's Hillary got to do with it?

 

You claim that Trump is directly responsible for all covid deaths in the US.  Since he isn't responsible for either 1, covid being created, or 2, covid entering the US, it can only be his response to covid that you are claiming makes him responsible for these deaths. 

 

Covid would have happened whether Trump was President or Hillary was, so in order to claim that Trump is responsible you either need to somehow provide some evidence that the deaths would not have occurred if Trump was not in power (and so Hillary would have been), or concede that you are arbitrarily claiming he takes responsibility simply because he was President at the time.

 

You need to work a little harder to pin all the covid deaths on Trump and further claim that this is something that he did "wrong" and made him a bad President.  You cannot, for example, say "look at how Obama dealt with covid and compare that to how Trump did".

 

Can you prove that covid would have been handled better if Trump was not President?  If not, then you cannot soundly lay all the blame at his feet.

[Jeffr2]

6 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

You claim that Trump is directly responsible for all covid deaths in the US.  Since he isn't responsible for either 1, covid being created, or 2, covid entering the US, it can only be his response to covid that you are claiming makes him responsible for these deaths. 

 

Covid would have happened whether Trump was President or Hillary was, so in order to claim that Trump is responsible you either need to somehow provide some evidence that the deaths would not have occurred if Trump was not in power (and so Hillary would have been), or concede that you are arbitrarily claiming he takes responsibility simply because he was President at the time.

 

You need to work a little harder to pin all the covid deaths on Trump and further claim that this is something that he did "wrong" and made him a bad President.  You cannot, for example, say "look at how Obama dealt with covid and compare that to how Trump did".

 

Can you prove that covid would have been handled better if Trump was not President?  If not, then you cannot soundly lay all the blame at his feet.

At least you understand the deaths are due to Trump’s mishandling of the virus. He wasn't responsible for the creation of the virus nor it's entry into the US. Just his mishandling and lies.

 

So if we can't lay the blame for his management of the botched response. We also can't credit him for the strong economy before. Fair is fair.

[ctxa]

8 hours ago, BKKBike09 said:

 

 

It would also be more accurate to say China has steadily lifted their people out of poverty while simultaneously emphasising the superiority of the Han culture to the detriment of all other indigenous cultures, and also exerting widespread controls over all aspects of their citizens private lives.

 

Cooperation is usually better than confrontation, but it is naive to assume that Chinese intentions in Asia-Pacific are altruistic and for the greater good of the region. 

 

 

Well, I am sorry to say... 

 

But in China, any person who is not Han, gets a huge advantage in life over Hans. What is that advantage? They are exempt from much of the ferocious competition that Hans Chinese face during their career. Examples:

 

 - Non Hans get up to 10 extra points in Gao Kao (entrance exam) just for belonging to one of the minority ethnics. This 10 points literally could very well mean the difference between getting into a nice university or a "normal" one. (And of course in China when you graduate from a "nice" university your career chances skyrocket)

 

- Ethnic minorities can have as many kids as they want and they won't be fined. 

 

- Ethnic minorities can move their HuKou Ben (residence) to any city whenever they want. Whereas Hans are limited by their level of studies and their income to move their Hukou to certain cities (such as Shenzhen, Beijing, Guangzhou). And this of course, severely limits Hans careers, as not being able to transfer their Hukou to the city in which they want to work, basically means they can't work there (not able to buy a house, not able to school your kids in a public school - and private schools suck in China, and many other disadvantages). 

 

So not sure exactly about what you mean

 

Edited February 12, 2021 by ctxa

[from the home of CC]

the lunch is gone - they're working on your dinner now...

[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Such as?

 Thanks, I needed that!

[ctxa]

31 minutes ago, 50centScamBagLusr said:

Right, and if you have the good fortune to be female and live in Xinjiang they stick you in a concentration camp. Then CCP goons and gimps rape you with an electric baton, just like old times in Tibet. Good 'ol CCP is a gift that just keeps on giving, since Tiananmen and before.

I was in Urumqi, capital of Xinjiang. Saw plenty of female locals…. 
 

Never been to Tibet though. 
 

Anyway it’s good though that you swallow the lies they tell you ???? Im sure Joseph Goebbels, a very smart guy when it came to propaganda, would be very content with people like you. In fact, you lost the time it takes to create a fake account to post propaganda. 

 

Edited February 12, 2021 by ctxa

[earlinclaifornia]

13 hours ago, donnacha said:

Biden was an astonishingly bad choice of candidate, in a year when Covid all but guaranteed a Democrat win. You could have had Tulsi Gabbard. You could have had Andrew Yang. God help you, you could probably even have managed to get Bernie into office.

But, no. You picked Joe Biden. Well done. Well done everyone.

 

We argued in the past about which of us had the American plus read correctly. Same as today you are so wrong and I contend that only Biden could have beaten trump

[Thingamabob]

13 hours ago, donnacha said:

Biden was an astonishingly bad choice of candidate, in a year when Covid all but guaranteed a Democrat win. You could have had Tulsi Gabbard. You could have had Andrew Yang. God help you, you could probably even have managed to get Bernie into office.

But, no. You picked Joe Biden. Well done. Well done everyone.

 

Andrew Yang was an excellent candidate in my opinion.

[billd766]

19 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Andrew Yang was an excellent candidate in my opinion.

But that is your opinion. Some 75 million Americans had a different opinion to you, and they simply out voted you.

[placeholder]

2 hours ago, ctxa said:

 

Well, I am sorry to say... 

 

But in China, any person who is not Han, gets a huge advantage in life over Hans. What is that advantage? They are exempt from much of the ferocious competition that Hans Chinese face during their career. Examples:

 

 - Non Hans get up to 10 extra points in Gao Kao (entrance exam) just for belonging to one of the minority ethnics. This 10 points literally could very well mean the difference between getting into a nice university or a "normal" one. (And of course in China when you graduate from a "nice" university your career chances skyrocket)

 

- Ethnic minorities can have as many kids as they want and they won't be fined. 

 

- Ethnic minorities can move their HuKou Ben (residence) to any city whenever they want. Whereas Hans are limited by their level of studies and their income to move their Hukou to certain cities (such as Shenzhen, Beijing, Guangzhou). And this of course, severely limits Hans careers, as not being able to transfer their Hukou to the city in which they want to work, basically means they can't work there (not able to buy a house, not able to school your kids in a public school - and private schools suck in China, and many other disadvantages). 

 

So not sure exactly about what you mean

 

Great. China gives its minorities more freedom to travel. What's more it gives them an incentive to do so. Just to get away from their brutal treatment.

China’s repression of the Uighurs in Xinjiang has forced those in the diaspora to protect their identity from afar.

The targeting of the Uighurs isn’t limited to the camps. Since 2016, dozens of graveyards and religious sites have been destroyed. The Uighur language has been banned in Xinjiang schools in favor of Mandarin Chinese.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/10/chinas-war-on-uighur-culture/616513/

 

And about their alleged right to have as many children as they please.

China cuts Uighur births with IUDs, abortion, sterilization

The Chinese government is taking draconian measures to slash birth rates among Uighurs and other minorities as part of a sweeping campaign to curb its Muslim population, even as it encourages some of the country’s Han majority to have more children.

While individual women have spoken out before about forced birth control, the practice is far more widespread and systematic than previously known, according to an AP investigation based on government statistics, state documents and interviews with 30 ex-detainees, family members and a former detention camp instructor. The campaign over the past four years in the far west region of Xinjiang is leading to what some experts are calling a form of “demographic genocide.”

https://apnews.com/article/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c

 

[ctxa]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Great. China gives its minorities more freedom to travel. What's more it gives them an incentive to do so. Just to get away from their brutal treatment.

China’s repression of the Uighurs in Xinjiang has forced those in the diaspora to protect their identity from afar.

The targeting of the Uighurs isn’t limited to the camps. Since 2016, dozens of graveyards and religious sites have been destroyed. The Uighur language has been banned in Xinjiang schools in favor of Mandarin Chinese.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/10/chinas-war-on-uighur-culture/616513/

 

And about their alleged right to have as many children as they please.

China cuts Uighur births with IUDs, abortion, sterilization

The Chinese government is taking draconian measures to slash birth rates among Uighurs and other minorities as part of a sweeping campaign to curb its Muslim population, even as it encourages some of the country’s Han majority to have more children.

While individual women have spoken out before about forced birth control, the practice is far more widespread and systematic than previously known, according to an AP investigation based on government statistics, state documents and interviews with 30 ex-detainees, family members and a former detention camp instructor. The campaign over the past four years in the far west region of Xinjiang is leading to what some experts are calling a form of “demographic genocide.”

https://apnews.com/article/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c

 

 

How good to see that certain countries (ehem, the US) caring about Muslims (only those living in Xinjiang though). The Muslims living in Afghanistan, or Iraq are terrorist who posses "mass destruction" weapons and therefore they should invade their country, in the name of freedom.... Yep "Guantanamo Bay (in Cuba), Abu Ghraib, Camp Bucca,...." the true definition of personal freedom and NOT human rights abuses at all. If Voltaire was alive he himself would certify it 100%. 

 

Mate, you should see what some Chinese people say about what the US government does. If I told such things to any American citizen, he would laugh and say, what a load of commie propaganda bullsh**t.

 

Which is the exact same reaction Chinese people have when they hear those things about Xinjiang and Tibet. What a load of American bullsh**t. 

 

But at the end of the day, no side is able to province evidence to support neither side claims. I see some articles which provide what are supposed to be some papers signed by some CCP authority on what to do with Xinjiang reeducation camps, well, I could very well make one such paper right now with Photoshop. Then they interview some locals, which I can assure you that if Chinese media interviewed American citizens about life in the US they would also say very bad things. Because that is the essence of propaganda, and distorting things. And you will say Chinese are brainwashed by CCP propaganda, which sure it's true. But you yourself are also brainwashed by propaganda, however you will think you are not because you are convinced that it is the truth so you think it's those who think differently that are brainwashed.

 

After having grown up in Europe, then lived in China for many years, and having dealt with politicians from both sides constantly I can tell you they are all liars, they don't care about anything or anyone but themselves. Don't think it's only the Chinese politicians that are this way, every single one from every country on earth. If every American thinks China is good and every Chinese thinks America is good, they both have no excuses to put sanctions on each other, to prevent one another from growing, to cause the other one to lose money. That is the key, money and power. And that is what governments care about.

 

So bottom line is, neither life in the West is as bad as certain Chinese claim. Neither life in China is as bad as certain Western people claim. 

 

 

Edited February 12, 2021 by ctxa