Opening up to foreign tourists: Thais fear vaxxed foreigners could still spread disease

[Dagfinnur Traustason]

15 minutes ago, polpott said:

clearly you are having difficulty in comprehending what you read.

I know! Alzheimers

[rabas]

23 minutes ago, J Town said:

The jury is still out on whether or not a vaccinated person can still spread Covid, and when dealing with such an uninformed, superstitious bunch, it's easy to see why they feel the way they do.

 

Can a Vaccinated Person Still Spread the Coronavirus? - The Washington Post

More media mumbling.

 

The science question has never been can a vaccinated person spread covid, but how much does vaccination reduce spread and infection? 

 

From results of Israel's large roll out, the answer is a lot. 94% reduction in observable cases, and an early 70% reduction of infection. Another study shows 85% reduction in actual infections as tested by PCR. 

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-israel-vaccine/israeli-study-finds-94-drop-in-symptomatic-covid-19-cases-with-pfizer-vaccine-idUSKBN2AE0Q2

 

https://www.technologynetworks.com/biopharma/news/first-real-world-data-shows-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-provides-protection-from-first-dose-345953

[sqwakvfr]

On this I agree with the local sentiment(never before).  No vaccine is 100% and everyday some in quarantine come up positive. Quarantine free arrival will not happen(at least not this year).  The safest path is to have a 7 day quarantine for arrivals who have been vaccinated.   Days 1 to 5 would be observation and temperature checks.   On Day 5 or 6 a Covid 19 Test. If negative then free on Day 7.  

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[Katipo]

There are a couple of possible outcomes from this fear. Firstly, they could delay opening the boarders. Secondly, once the boarders are open the suspicion and fear translate to irrational behaviours that damage the Thailand experience of those who come to visit. The Government needs to be very careful how they deal with this.. A concerted education of the populace would be a good place to start. The long-term economic effects could be more catastrophic than they already are.

[Trujillo]

"He noted that being vaccinated was one thing and meant the person would not be able to get Covid."

 

This is false.

 

There is nothing that can stop a circulating virus from infecting people. All a vaccine does is mitigate the effects of infection -- either resulting in the infected person having no symptoms or mild ones. There is NO evidence that vaccinated persons can't transmit the virus. This is the big loophole that world governments are overlooking. 

A "vaccine passport" is no assurance that the holder can't infect others; only that he or she, if becoming infected, will not get "sick," thus not needing to burden the healthcare system of wherever that person is. 

[Kiujunn]

1 hour ago, J Town said:

such an uninformed, superstitious bunch,

You mean farangs?

[Solinvictus]

Hey hey! Things are getting back to normal!

[RichardColeman]

 

2 hours ago, Xonax said:

Thailand will not be able to safely open up for foreign tourism, until they have their own population vaccinated.

If that is true then then better settle for just 25% of the THAI population, as the other 75% polled they did not want to take the vaccine.

[Dazinoz]

Of course it only foreigners that infect Thais. So tired this sheet.

 

[grantbkk]

I don’t want to be a negative person but it is the unwashed Thais that brought us the second wave.  Helping of course was a corrupt and inept government that allow migrants and criminals across the boarder from neighboring countries. 
 

[PETERTHEEATER]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

He noted that being vaccinated was one thing and meant the person would not be able to get Covid.

Then he knows very little and should withdraw to his box and keep quiet......

[Nout]

3 hours ago, Kiujunn said:

Wrong.

Is it stupidity or deliberate fake news?

include quarantine in the equation and it would be correct?

[djayz]

Coming from people who still believe in, and fear, ghosts, superstitions and other hocus-pocus, I really amn't surprised nor interested in their opinion. 

[polpott]

1 hour ago, PETERTHEEATER said:

Then he knows very little and should withdraw to his box and keep quiet......

Obviously he knows more than you.

[off road pat]

6 hours ago, poskat said:

vaccine plus negative covid test = noninfectious

 

the problem lies in the fact that the government/media has already convinced the thai people that getting covid is akin to a death sentence

Hm,...It was for over 400.000 Americans,....

[Sydebolle]

While the farangphobia is kept actively going - the dirty farang are opting for other destinations for quite some time now already. Thailand - quo vadis? 

[poskat]

12 minutes ago, off road pat said:

Hm,...It was for over 400.000 Americans,....

hm...that was in the USA...here in thailand the stats are quite different...

I will leave you do do the math on deaths per cases here

[meltonpie]

3 hours ago, rabas said:

More media mumbling.

 

The science question has never been can a vaccinated person spread covid, but how much does vaccination reduce spread and infection? 

 

From results of Israel's large roll out, the answer is a lot. 94% reduction in observable cases, and an early 70% reduction of infection. Another study shows 85% reduction in actual infections as tested by PCR. 

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-israel-vaccine/israeli-study-finds-94-drop-in-symptomatic-covid-19-cases-with-pfizer-vaccine-idUSKBN2AE0Q2

 

https://www.technologynetworks.com/biopharma/news/first-real-world-data-shows-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-provides-protection-from-first-dose-345953

Israel is interesting. 

Population around 9 million.

Of which around a third will be <18

So presumably c6 million to be vaccinated in total

Israel has now inoculated more than 4.59 million people

About 3.2 million people (34.65 percent of the population) have received the second dose of the vaccine.

And yet still getting 4000+ new cases per day

Yes it is down from double that a month ago, but so are the figures for the rest of the world

 

[from the home of CC]

1 hour ago, grantbkk said:

I don’t want to be a negative person but it is the unwashed Thais that brought us the second wave.  Helping of course was a corrupt and inept government that allow migrants and criminals across the boarder from neighboring countries. 
 

vs the 'unwashed' westerners who committed basically pandemic suicide by their stupidity. Don't blame the Thais an iota for being suspicious of all these morons, besides a whack of them will probably try to bribe, use fake vaccination documents and any other way to avoid having to follow rules just as they do with immigration policies..  

[hotchilli]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand's authorities met yesterday to discuss ways to open up the country to foreign tourists and businessmen who have been vaccinated against Covid-19, reported The Bangkok Insight.

While a large proportion of Thais will still be waiting for theirs. 

[phantomfiddler]

6 hours ago, Kiujunn said:

It's definitely not. 

 For just half a million Americans it was the death sentence. 

That's not even twice as many as died in WW II.

Really no big deal.

Poskat did NOT say that "Covid was akin to a death sentence" ! He stated that the Thai government and World media had managed to convince the Thai population that this was the case which, as any sensible person knows, is absolute nonsense ????

[A1Str8]

They fear, why?

There's always the option to:

1. Smile 

2. Point a finger 

3. Bribe

the virus. Since they are pretty good at all three, I think the virus is going to respond well to at least one.

 

 

[Kiujunn]

1 hour ago, from the home of CC said:

unwashed' westerners who committed basically pandemic suicide by their stupidity.

The best sentence I have ever read about covid. 

[RocketDog]

8 hours ago, madmen said:

Flip flop flip flop 

Fish out of water do that too for a while before they finally exhaust themselves and perish. 

 

This frenetic thrashing of policy in search of a solution is understandable but unlikely to yield one. I suppose the authorities have to demonstrate effort though even if it's all theater. 

 

Until people feel safe to travel and have the financial means to do so, global tourism is a dead fish. Long and expensive quarantines are simply not a panacea. 

 

For my part I don't mind a reduced tourist load here. Tourists do nothing to increase my quality of life.

 

Admittedly they are not my source of income. I just don't have a dog in this scrum. 

[D M G]

What about returning R E T I R E E S ?

[herfiehandbag]

10 hours ago, gunderhill said:

What's needed is a  50 point  plan, that'll  sort  it!

A roadmap even!

[Cali farong]

More bad news for the millions and millions of people just waiting to come to Thailand.  They can open the borders with no quarantine and still aren’t going to get the amount of tourists they predict. IMO 

[voulez vous]

11 hours ago, gunderhill said:

What's needed is a  50 point  plan, that'll  sort  it!

I think a 69 point plan. Like we have in France.

[skorp13]

According to Phizer a few weeks after the second jab you are non transmittable. A small percentage of foreign arrivals testing covid positive have been westerners and that was before the vaccine. Follow the science and track records. Which Thais? The ones that participated in paid focus study programs? ????