Police officers hurt, vehicles set on fire in violent protest in Bristol, England

[youreavinalaff]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Well I know Brexit is a shambles and an utterly stupid idea so I'm already way ahead of our current Prime Minister.

That would be an opinion, I would guess. 

 

 

[BusyB]

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

You're wrong, they were socialists, that's why they were the National Socialist German Workers Party. The whole movement was based on union organisers and overthrowing those who held all the wealth. Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric which (as far as I can see) is identical to the aims of the people protesting in Bristol today.

 

Back to the OP, Bristol was always a bit rough, I remember riots when I lived there back in the 1970s.

 

The old trope of 'Nazis were left wing' again. 

If you're really really really interested in getting some way towards a more realistic version of the truth, read Adam Tooze's 'Wages of Destruction'. It's an economic history of Nazi Germany.

That is the only help you will get from me.

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, youreavinalaff said:

That would be an opinion, I would guess. 

 

 

 

Its an opinion based on evidence rather than slogans and empty promises.

Of course if you would like to list the benefits of Brexit I would be more than happy to read it.

[bert bloggs]

6 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Its an opinion based on evidence rather than slogans and empty promises.

Of course if you would like to list the benefits of Brexit I would be more than happy to read it.

He couldnt list them ,it would be to long for you to read in one sitting

[canthai55]

From the OP -

"The government's Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts bill would give police new powers to impose time and noise limits on street protests."

Looks like Free Speech is alive and well in the UK - 555

 

[Rookiescot]

4 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

He couldnt list them ,it would be to long for you to read in one sitting

I think I would manage. 

Strongly suspect it will not be either long or complex.

It probably goes something like,

Blue passports!

The end.

Its ironic that nowhere does the EU stipulate what colour countries have to make their passports. So it probably needs to come off the list.

[youreavinalaff]

22 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Its an opinion based on evidence rather than slogans and empty promises.

Of course if you would like to list the benefits of Brexit I would be more than happy to read it.

I couldn't list any advantages or disadvantages at this stage. Same as you cannot either.

 

I am not a politician. I am more of an economist. I have enough knowledge to know that no one, and I include all politicians, economists, political commentators, Thai Visa forum members, etc cannot comment either.

 

Far too soon after the event to even think about what could, might, will happen.

 

The " was Brexit a good idea" argument should not even be contemplated for at least a couple of years. If it is now, it is pure speculation.

Edited March 22, 2021 by youreavinalaff

[Rookiescot]

6 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

I couldn't list any advantages or disadvantages at this stage. Same as you cannot either.

 

I am not a politician. I am more of an economist. I have enough knowledge to know that no one, and I include all politicians, economists, political commentators, Thai Visa forum members, etc cannot comment either.

 

Far too soon after the event to even think about what could, might, will happen.

 

The " was Brexit a good idea" argument should not even be contemplated for at least a couple of years. If it is, it is pure speculation.

 

Yeah right.

You are basically saying "Just wait. The sunny uplands are just around the corner" when in reality the UK is now reeling from the effects of Brexit. 

Keeping your head in the sand might work for you but the rest of the world can see the damage being done.

[youreavinalaff]

17 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Yeah right.

You are basically saying "Just wait. The sunny uplands are just around the corner" when in reality the UK is now reeling from the effects of Brexit. 

Keeping your head in the sand might work for you but the rest of the world can see the damage being done.

Like I said, advantages and disadvantages are difficult to quantify now.

 

You are only speculating. I am not sticking my head in the sand or saying everything will be fine. 

 

I am looking at the situation to see how it all pans out. Just like any new business, business plan or business strategy, these things take time. That time is a lot longer than 3 months.

[George Aylesham]

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Nazis were not socialists.

 

They were backed by and acted for big business and puta great deal of effort into hunting down and murdering socialists.

 

Try not to embarrass yourself so publicly.

No, they were above all populists.

[superal]

36 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Well I know Brexit is a shambles and an utterly stupid idea so I'm already way ahead of our current Prime Minister.

It is quite evident that the pathetic E.U. vaccine roll out performance (compared to that of the UK) has demonstrated what a good move Brexit was  . 

Sorry to deviate from the main post , however it is quite obvious that the recent 2 protest degradations were brought about by known activists , most of whom survive on social security benefits . These deadbeats should be paraded on national TV and then put to some sort of community work , that is visible to the general public , whilst on a custodial sentence .

Finally we all know that large gatherings have been outlawed in order to mitigate the spread of the covid 19 virus .

[Surelynot]

3 minutes ago, superal said:

It is quite evident that the pathetic E.U. vaccine roll out performance (compared to that of the UK) has demonstrated what a good move Brexit was

Oh dear....that is your justification for claiming Brexit was a good move......??

[connda]

8 hours ago, ivor bigun said:

Its a terrible thing to have to say ,but we need another war to bring everyone back to their senses ,then we can start again like we did in the 50s

That sounds like something a member of the WEF or PNAC would say.
My guess is you'll get your wish.  You'll get a nice cull of the otherwise useless commoners (less CO2 emitters), economies are shredded while the industries backing and banking the war efforts profit.  Then the victors get to rewrite history and reestablish a new world order.  Which all sounds peachy unless the side you're supporting doesn't win.  Or if it goes nuclear.  Then as Einstein stated, "World War 4 will be fought with stones and sticks."

[bert bloggs]

Brexit was the best thing that has happened for years ,so if you dont like it ,tuff tuff tuff, but please stop throwing your toys out of the pram.

[connda]

8 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

It is ironic that you lament people holding left wing views while the great 'restart' of the 50s which you want to return to was the result of the world coming together to defeat the scourge of the hard right - it was hard right fascism which tore Europe apart in the 1930s and 40s

So a little study of history.  The "hard right" you refer to in the 1930 and 40s were socialists.  "Right" and "Left" are relative, arbitrary terms that are commonly used nowadays as pejorative terms to demonize someone's whose views you don't like.
Actually, that "fascism which tore Europe apart in the 1930s and 40s" is reappearing in "liberal Democracies" which are now embracing a return to totalitarian control of their populations while their governments and corporations work hand-in-hand for the interests of themselves.  Whether they are "hard right" or "hard left", neo-Fascism is growing green shoots in the middle of those countries claiming to support a global rules-base economic order while rattling their sabres at the multi-polar world based on international law.

The world is being ripped apart internally and externally.  War?  Yeah, that's sort of the natural outcome of civil and international strife as sucky as that may sound.  But, back to studying history.  That tends to be the way of it.
And interestingly enough - someone always profits by the carnage.

Edited March 22, 2021 by connda

[Thingamabob]

8 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

It is ironic that you lament people holding left wing views while the great 'restart' of the 50s which you want to return to was the result of the world coming together to defeat the scourge of the hard right - it was hard right fascism which tore Europe apart in the 1930s and 40s and it is hard right fascism that our UK government is introducing by stealth, which will tear apart the UK.

Hold on a little longer - you will get another opportunity to restart, although I hope, for your country's sake, you don't continue to enable those corrupt, thieving fascists. 

The Nazis were socialists.

[candide]

1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said:

Like I said, advantages and disadvantages are difficult to quantify now.

 

You are only speculating. I am not sticking my head in the sand or saying everything will be fine. 

 

I am looking at the situation to see how it all pans out. Just like any new business, business plan or business strategy, these things take time. That time is a lot longer than 3 months.

You are right. However, the absence of substantiated hypotheses about why it may be better is worrying.

[elliss]

8 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

I certainly hope so the scum have probably run home to mummy and coming off the drugs. 

 

    Being a regular visitor to Bristol .

     Bristol has become anti White , regime . 

     We gave it all away , so easily ..

 

    

[nauseus]

9 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

It is ironic that you lament people holding left wing views while the great 'restart' of the 50s which you want to return to was the result of the world coming together to defeat the scourge of the hard right - it was hard right fascism which tore Europe apart in the 1930s and 40s and it is hard right fascism that our UK government is introducing by stealth, which will tear apart the UK.

Hold on a little longer - you will get another opportunity to restart, although I hope, for your country's sake, you don't continue to enable those corrupt, thieving fascists. 

 

The defeat of your "hard right" 30s and 40s "fascists" was inflicted by allies led by hard right leaders, with the exception of the Russians. The Nazi era was most  unfortunate but its legacy, infamy and  fascist character is compared to by today's right onto the left, and vice-versa.  I think that fascism is a faulty ideology that can be adopted by any political group, left or right, with a strong fascist as leader, of course. 

 

Edited March 22, 2021 by nauseus

[shy coconut]

7 hours ago, BenDeCosta said:

It's never going to happen, they use their power to lobby for things that they will personally gain from, or for things that people are paying them to lobby for. They are the greediest people on the planet.

Ooh I thought corruption only happened in Thailand.

[shy coconut]

6 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

I wonder how many infections will be transmitted? how many will die? Everyone has a priority though it isn't the health of a nation..

From what I understand, the actual demonstration was a peaceful well organized occasion with the majority wearing masks etc.

 

It was the rent a mob "anarchist" types who often hijack these events who turned violently against the police.

[shy coconut]

3 hours ago, ivor bigun said:

Not ridiculous i have grandchildren that are being taught nonsense by left wing teachers ,that is not saying that all are ,but i hear what my granddaughter comes out with ,"what teacher said" and i do not read the express ,or the begging bowl Guardian.

Could you give some examples of nonsense being taught by left wing teachers?

[Kwasaki]

17 minutes ago, elliss said:

 

    Being a regular visitor to Bristol .

     Bristol has become anti White , regime . 

     We gave it all away , so easily ..

 

    

Well I don't know Bristol just think a minority were the problem.

What you say has been happening for years and been happening all over UK, just name a few of what I've seen parts of Willesden, parts of Brixton. parts of Watford, nearly all of Southall and numerous other places it's endless and I hope I'm wrong but I think demos are going to get worse.  

[shy coconut]

2 hours ago, superal said:

It is quite evident that the pathetic E.U. vaccine roll out performance (compared to that of the UK) has demonstrated what a good move Brexit was  . 

Sorry to deviate from the main post , however it is quite obvious that the recent 2 protest degradations were brought about by known activists , most of whom survive on social security benefits . These deadbeats should be paraded on national TV and then put to some sort of community work , that is visible to the general public , whilst on a custodial sentence .

Finally we all know that large gatherings have been outlawed in order to mitigate the spread of the covid 19 virus .

I'm sure I have said and read this here already, but the vaccine roll out is an individual country decision. That is why not all EU member states paused the roll out of the AZ version as the data was reviewed.

The EU does have some involvement in procurement and import/export decisions to and from the bloc, and it could be argued that they haven't done a great job there. Where the UK government can be applauded was the early backing and funding of the AZ vaccine as 

there appear to be large quantities available.

As I said before, I truly hope that it is as safe as can be given the unusually quick development and approval of the vaccine, faster even than China who have great experience in SARS 2

outbreaks and considered by some folk as having actually deliberately infected the world with this virus.

[Chomper Higgot]

31 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

The defeat of your "hard right" 30s and 40s "fascists" was inflicted by allies led by hard right leaders, with the exception of the Russians. The Nazi era was most  unfortunate but its legacy, infamy and  fascist character is compared to by today's right onto the left, and vice-versa.  I think that fascism is a faulty ideology that can be adopted by any political group, left or right, with a strong fascist as leader, of course. 

 

 

“The defeat of your "hard right" 30s and 40s "fascists" was inflicted by allies led by hard right leaders”

 

Where do you get this nonsense?

 

FDR was the President of the United States from before the start of WW2 until

the very last months of the war in Europe, FDR can not, even if lacking the very most basic grasp of history, be regarded as a ‘hard right leader’. 

 

 

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

“The defeat of your "hard right" 30s and 40s "fascists" was inflicted by allies led by hard right leaders”

 

Where do you get this nonsense?

 

FDR was the President of the United States from before the start of WW2 until

the very last months of the war in Europe, FDR can not, even if lacking the very most basic grasp of history, be regarded as a ‘hard right leader’. 

 

 

 

Must have been. Same as Stalin. Hard right fanatics the lot of em.

It was a close run thing against the loony left Hitler and Mussolini. 

[Rookiescot]

2 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

Like I said, advantages and disadvantages are difficult to quantify now.

 

You are only speculating. I am not sticking my head in the sand or saying everything will be fine. 

 

I am looking at the situation to see how it all pans out. Just like any new business, business plan or business strategy, these things take time. That time is a lot longer than 3 months.

 

So if the tangible benefits for voting for Brexit will not be known for many years to come how on earth can Brexiteers claim to know what they were voting for?

[connda]

3 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

The Nazis were socialists.

I see you got a number of laughing emoticon from that statement.
But - you are correct.  But most people with a surface level of understanding based on little more then a bias that fits their world-view tend to confuse an economic paradigm with an extremist ideology and think that they are mutually exclusive.  They're not.  And then people equate socialism with liberalism.  But that's not necessarily true either.
People love to call people who they don't agree with as "Nazis."  But they can't grasp that core of the economic underpinnings of The National Socialist German Workers' Party.  "Well if it's socialist it has to be liberal!", they think.  Cognitive dissonance sets it.  The only way they can resolve the disparity is to insist that The National Socialist German Workers' Party was not in fact socialist.  "Nazis are Fascists!!!"  Then it's off to the races calling everyone you don't like a "Fascist" without ever being able to connect the dots between Nicolló Machiavelli, Giovanni Gentile, and Benito Mussolini then Mussolini's association to Hitler and Nazism.  Like "Nazi", the term "Fascist" is tossed around as a pejorative by people who don't have a clue as to what the historical philosophy is about.

[katana]

13 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

It is ironic that you lament people holding left wing views while the great 'restart' of the 50s which you want to return to was the result of the world coming together to defeat the scourge of the hard right - it was hard right fascism which tore Europe apart in the 1930s and 40s and it is hard right fascism that our UK government is introducing by stealth, which will tear apart the UK.

Hold on a little longer - you will get another opportunity to restart, although I hope, for your country's sake, you don't continue to enable those corrupt, thieving fascists. 

er..it was the far left who were rioting and tearing apart Bristol last night, not the far right.
The truth of it is that left and right politics are just constructs of the elites to divide and rule the masses. Both left and right politics are ugly when they go to the extremes. Ideally, somewhere between the two is favourable for a society.

Edited March 22, 2021 by katana

[youreavinalaff]

3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

So if the tangible benefits for voting for Brexit will not be known for many years to come how on earth can Brexiteers claim to know what they were voting for?

Wouldn't it be great if we could see results before voting or deciding on anything?

 

Love to know the results of the FA cup semi finals before betting closed. How about knowing the Euro millions numbers before we bought a ticket. Would be fantastic, wouldn't it?