Labour Government’s Bold Claim to “honesty with voters” Has Unraveled Quickly

[TaoNow]

4 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Agree. Let's hope they actually put all the numbers together from all of the days and from all the jails and don't somehow forget a few a thousand or 10. One still wonders how many never made the numbers before the cover up (and that's what is was) was exposed. How many pnuemonia deaths in prisons in the last year. That would be a great figure to see but probably can't. Eventually you would hope the all the lies will be exposed but with this country's history of military govts and coups I doubt it very much.

By the way Thailand came in number 8 in the world with new infections on yesterday's covid worldometer. I really, really want some one to defend this and say Thailand is doing a great job.

 dinsdale, dinsdale -- as you and I agreed, we need to follow the mortality data and, barring that, the bed occupancy rate at local hospitals.   Stick to the script man.

[Rhacsyn]

34 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

It's not minute by minute and it gives you an overall idea of what's going on now, especially the weelky trends. What it shows in regards to Thailand is that Thailand is not going so well compared to some other countries. UK/Thailand comparison has been brought up on this forum. UK doing very bad before now doing better than Thailand. UK is also interesting as they are easing restrictions at the very time the Indian variant has been detected there. The global debate about the dangers of opening up too early. Glad to hear my other posts help contribute to your education on this matter. Cheers.

 

I am originally from UK and opening up is one dilemma, but I will never understand, with the tragic covid carnage going on in India, why the doors in UK were not closed sooner. Beyond belief for me, almost as if lessons were not learnt. Anyway digressing from Thailand and the TVF so time for a quiet beer in the safety of my home. Longing for the day when I can have a discussion with a group in public. Let's see what tomorrow brings.....

[TaoNow]

2 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Care to name those in the "doom tribe" so they can defend themselves in the open against hints and allegations?Otherwise we don't know of whom you are asking the question.

I'll name you for starters.

[TaoNow]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

The UK strain is scientifically proven to be far more contagious so any risk assessment should be squarely based on that. 

 

You're right the world numbers are declining thankfully and thats a fair point that India has an impact on. As will be the UK after its harsh lockdowns and vaccine roll outs which eventually curbed the UK variant, the US and other large nations.

 

Thailand is not doing mass vaccinations yet so until it is then the virus is able to spread at will. With Bangkok out of control the other provinces which have been able to contain the virus could also be susceptible to people traveling from Bangkok. We only need a few cases to start it up again in any province, with the lack of more testing this is even more significant.

 

I think the health workers here do an excellent job, my concern is with the politics getting in the way of health advice.

 Careful, Brian...Bangkok is not yet "out of control." 

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, atpeace said:

Hmm, cherry picking today?

 

I think this IS called changing your mind.  PRAGMATIC humans adjust when needed.  Also, how are you so sure about the dissaster that would have ensued when schools opened?

Don't worry, they've changed their mind yet again since your post an hour ago.

[anchadian]

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1394631515061977095

 

CM108 in Chiang Mai are reporting that a new cluster of ten cases has been found in Chomthong district. More information soon #COVID19 #โควิด19 #โควิดวันนี้ #Thailand

[ExpatOilWorker]

7 minutes ago, TaoNow said:

 Careful, Brian...Bangkok is not yet "out of control." 

Nope, it it firmly under control.....of the virus!

[dinsdale]

33 minutes ago, TaoNow said:

 

Dave:  You are so right. TV members need to go to their local hospital (like dinsdale did) and report back on the bed occupancy rate situation. 

 

That is the only way we will know what the true situation is. 

 

Please urge your network of friends to go out and check the hospitals in their vicinity and report back to the forum, by location and bed occupancy rate.

I didn't go to the hospital. Are you kidding. Dangerous place. 

[Excel]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

I didn't go to the hospital. Are you kidding. Dangerous place. 

Absolutely, you never know what you may catch in those places

[TaoNow]

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I didn't go to the hospital. Are you kidding. Dangerous place. 

 

So you were a liar after all?

[Scrotebike]

Also detected COVID cases are removed from circulation 

This has to reduce transmission

Self quarantine is not guaranteed to do this

 

[anchadian]

 

More:

https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/heres-a-bangkok-hospital-now-registering-expats-for-covid-19-vaccination/

 

Here’s a Bangkok hospital now registering expats for COVID-19 vaccination

 

At least one hospital in Bangkok is allowing non-citizens to register and get in line for COVID-19 vaccination.

 

Chulabhorn Hospital in the capital’s Chaeng Wattana area is accepting online registration for foreign nationals without Thai identification documents.

 

For now, the hospital says those who register will be contacted via SMS for scheduling their appointments once it obtains the necessary vaccine supply from the Disease Control Department. It said they would also be put on a waitlist for those who fail to show up for their appointments.

Edited May 18, 2021 by anchadian

[Excel]

1 minute ago, Scrotebike said:

Also detected COVID cases are removed from circulation 

This has to reduce transmission

Self quarantine is not guaranteed to do this

 

So let's get this right. What you are saying is is that if a covid case is placed in say a hospital of a few hundred other people that person is removed from circulation.  However if someone is self isolating, "self" meaning on their own, then they can still spread the virus. Did I understand correctly ?

[Sheryl]

6 minutes ago, Excel said:

So let's get this right. What you are saying is is that if a covid case is placed in say a hospital of a few hundred other people that person is removed from circulation.  However if someone is self isolating, "self" meaning on their own, then they can still spread the virus. Did I understand correctly ?

 

What he means -- and the thinking of the Thai government - is that there is no guarantee people on "self quarantine" will in fact quarantine and indeed past experience is that some will not.

 

In both Thailand and Cambodia, self quarantine was initially allowed but came to an abrupt halt after COVID infected people supposedly in quarantine were found to have  gone out on the town.

[Excel]

Just now, Sheryl said:

 

What he means -- and the thinking of the Thai government - is that there is no guarantee people on "self quarantine" will in fact quarantine and indeed past experience is that some will not.

 

In both Thailand and Cambodia, self quarantine was initially allowed but came to an abrupt halt after COVID infected people supposedly in quarantine were found to have  gone out on the town.

With all due respect how do you know what he means ? That is what I wanted him to clarify.

[ThailandRyan]

47 minutes ago, TaoNow said:

 

So you were a liar after all?

Since you have your finger on the pulse of MOPH supposedly and your in the medical field, why don't you reach out and have them check the Covid ward occupancy rates.  The general wards where non Covid patients are of no concern when we discuss hospitals nearing full capacity.  So report back to us, it is vitally important, well according to you so you can disprove the stats that have been posted daily.

[ThailandRyan]

16 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

 

What he means -- and the thinking of the Thai government - is that there is no guarantee people on "self quarantine" will in fact quarantine and indeed past experience is that some will not.

 

In both Thailand and Cambodia, self quarantine was initially allowed but came to an abrupt halt after COVID infected people supposedly in quarantine were found to have  gone out on the town.

Just found out the GF's ex whose wife tested positive for Covid, is still out delivering food as a delivery driver, he was supposed to be self isolating for 14 days or until he showed any symptoms. His wife is in a hospital, and we have the daughter with us, and have for 6 weeks now.  The GF reached out to the medical staff to report his actions but received the obligatory, we know but he was supposed to stay at home until we tested him again.  Today he posted on his Facebook page that he has a fever, but still must work to pay his bills including the house payment he has.....can not make this crud up....ugh such a tool.

[Excel]

8 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Just found out the GF's ex whose wife tested positive for Covid, is still out delivering food as a delivery driver, he was supposed to be self isolating for 14 days or until he showed any symptoms. His wife is in a hospital, and we have the daughter with us, and have for 6 weeks now.  The GF reached out to the medical staff to report his actions but received the obligatory, we know but he was supposed to stay at home until we tested him again.  Today he posted on his Facebook page that he has a fever, but still must work to pay his bills including the house payment he has.....can not make this crud up....ugh such a tool.

And therein lies the issue of no available government support which , had there been any, would hopefully prevented the potential of further infection.

[brewsterbudgen]

4 hours ago, clarky cat said:

schools closed until 14th June now (apparently)

Education obviously "don't" matter.

[FarFlungFalang]

9 hours ago, TaoNow said:

I'll name you for starters.

What?No supporting evidence.How about some quotes where I attempt to predict which way this is going?If not then it's just an empty personal attack which is apparently frowned upon here. 

 

[hotchilli]

22 hours ago, webfact said:

● 1,793 new infections

● 680 prison / prison infections

Kind of find those figures hard to believe.

[hotchilli]

19 hours ago, anchadian said:

More:

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40001010

 

There is no need to impose a lockdown in Bangkok as most of the Covid-19 cases discovered in the city have mild symptoms, Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul said

 

He was speaking after attending a meeting on the Covid-19 situation and allocation of vaccines with Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha on Monday.

 

Anutin said the spread of the virus in prisons and construction sites can be contained by closing the areas and setting up field hospitals inside to treat patients based on their symptoms.

 

He said 70 per cent of Covid-19 patients in the country had mild symptoms, 20 per cent were at risk due to chronic conditions, while 10 per cent had developed severe symptoms.

 

Early last year double digit figures... it's all under control

Later last year a couple of hundred each day, it's all under control.

January Samut Sakorn hundreds each day, it's all under control.

Now thousands each day... only mild symptoms it's all under control..

 

[anchadian]

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1394813039417860101

 

Chonburi Public Health Office has just just announced that they have 39 new cases today and one more death. The total so far is now 3,809. Most new cases are in Bang Lamung/Pattaya (13), Chonburi City (6), and Sriracha (6) #COVID19 #Thailand

 

[anchadian]

https://www.nationthailand.com/international/40001041

The number of Covid-19 cases crossed 3.72 million across Southeast Asia, with 16,629 new cases reported on Tuesday, lower than Monday’s tally of 25,006

New deaths were put at 366, increasing from 360 on Monday, with total virus deaths in the region being 73,934 so far.

 

Indonesia reported a slightly lower number of new cases – 4,185 patients – compared to the day before and 172 new deaths. Total deaths in the country stand at 48,477, while 1,612,239 people have been cured and discharged. The government on Tuesday started allowing private companies to vaccinate their employees, with priority given to entry level labourers.

 

Singapore reported 38 new infections, driving the number of cumulative cases in that country to 61,651. Of these, 61,0134 have been cured and discharged. The government is planning to delay the vaccination of the second jab to 6-8 weeks after the first jab, aiming to provide every citizen with the first jab by August.

 

 

[anchadian]

More:

https://prachatai.com/english/node/9250

 

The Department of Corrections has admitted an infection toll in prisons nationwide of 11,670. The Courts have announced new procedures to reduce the prison population

 

Corrections Department Deputy Director-General Sitthi Sutivong on 18 May reported the figures.  35 Corrections Department staff in 13 prisons around the country were infected while 7 prisons reported 1,408 new infections.

 

Prison	New Infections	Under Treatment
Chiang Mai Central Prison	50	3,608
Nonthaburi Prison	342	400
Central Women Correctional Institution	245	1,428
Klong Prem Central Prison	159	1,175
Thonburi Remand Prison	277	2,807
Chachoengsao Central Prison	7	56
Bangkwang Central Prison	328	328

 

Other prisons not named have no new infections. The numbers of infected prisoners undergoing treatment are: Central Special Treatment Centre - 1; Central Remand Prison - 1,851; Minburi Remand Prison - 2; Narathiwat Provincial Prison - 1; Mae Sot Prison - 1; and Samut Prakan Central Prison - 1.

 

Edited May 19, 2021 by anchadian

[Danderman123]

11 hours ago, Excel said:

So let's get this right. What you are saying is is that if a covid case is placed in say a hospital of a few hundred other people that person is removed from circulation.  However if someone is self isolating, "self" meaning on their own, then they can still spread the virus. Did I understand correctly ?

Assuming that anyone in a hospital with Covid is isolated from infection free individuals, yes. They are far less likely to roam around the general population.

 

Voluntary isolation is a non-starter.

[Danderman123]

2 minutes ago, anchadian said:

More:

https://prachatai.com/english/node/9250

 

The Department of Corrections has admitted an infection toll in prisons nationwide of 11,670. The Courts have announced new procedures to reduce the prison population

 

Corrections Department Deputy Director-General Sitthi Sutivong on 18 May reported the figures.  35 Corrections Department staff in 13 prisons around the country were infected while 7 prisons reported 1,408 new infections.

 

Prison	New Infections	Under Treatment
Chiang Mai Central Prison	50	3,608
Nonthaburi Prison	342	400
Central Women Correctional Institution	245	1,428
Klong Prem Central Prison	159	1,175
Thonburi Remand Prison	277	2,807
Chachoengsao Central Prison	7	56
Bangkwang Central Prison	328	328

 

Other prisons not named have no new infections. The numbers of infected prisoners undergoing treatment are: Central Special Treatment Centre - 1; Central Remand Prison - 1,851; Minburi Remand Prison - 2; Narathiwat Provincial Prison - 1; Mae Sot Prison - 1; and Samut Prakan Central Prison - 1.

 

This is probably the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

[ThailandRyan]

Waiting to see what today brings, other than the already flopped backwards Walk-in centers for vaccines.  You just have to take each and every hour here sitting on the edge of your seat, its like watching a tennis match as the ball is lobbed to and fro.....

[anchadian]

https://twitter.com/KhaosodEnglish/status/1394823503946256391

 

Thailand discovers 3,394 new cases of COVID-19 with 29 new deaths on Wednesday, bringing the total tally to 116,949. Today's new cases include 1,498 cases reported in prisons and 1,896 reported elsewhere in Thailand over the past 24 hours. #โควิด19 #COVID19 #Thailand #KE

 

[anchadian]

Just now, anchadian said:

https://twitter.com/KhaosodEnglish/status/1394823503946256391

 

Thailand discovers 3,394 new cases of COVID-19 with 29 new deaths on Wednesday, bringing the total tally to 116,949. Today's new cases include 1,498 cases reported in prisons and 1,896 reported elsewhere in Thailand over the past 24 hours. #โควิด19 #COVID19 #Thailand #KE